Let's talk about it - Page 8

SiegeFlank

United States410 Posts

February 25 2011 22:35 GMT

#141

I agree with a lot of the people in this thread. People blew this whole thing completely out of proportion. One of the reasons I'm a big fan of yours iNcontroL is because you're such a funny person as well as one who's very intelligent about the game, it makes you seem more human. I've spent many hours watching your stream (I don't even play protoss) and have always been thoroughly entertained.

That said, I understand if you want to be more professional about things. I would say that if you want to make your humor more "professional," don't necessarily reduce the amount of jokes/goofing around, but maybe make them less personal. It's fine to poke fun at people, but it was when you sustained it for so long that a lot of the people in the community reacted negatively.

I'll be at PAX east so I hope to meet you in person, otherwise best of luck with NASL and keep up the awesome work!

Gingerninja

United Kingdom1339 Posts

February 25 2011 22:36 GMT

#142

Foreigners have been forever trying to be recognised in the starcraft world, and now that they are, for the caster and one of the main guys involved with the NASL to make fun of someone with a "foreign" accent is a gross error in judgement. Restreaming the GSL (well he wasn't really ) is a minor thing, and I'm sure a lot of people have had to use restreams at some point due to Gom bugging out at random.
He's apologised, so everything's cool, everyone should just move past it.

Saiwa

Germany789 Posts

February 25 2011 22:37 GMT

#143

Oh man, so much Drama for nothing. I really cant believe how far it went.

Shanlan

United States41 Posts

February 25 2011 22:39 GMT

#144

I applaud your efforts at improving your image. I would like to offer a few suggestions on improvements to your image.

It is great that you can admit mistakes and apologize for them. It is important as a spokesperson to recognize the image you create as it represents more than just yourself.

In my observation, I find that you have a lot of self confidence and pride in your abilities and actions. This confidence and pride borders on arrogance and hubris, which leads to a perception of your actions as demeaning and belittling of others. This is amplified when you are commenting on others. A lot of the material you have expressed about others feel like an attack on the person not their action or decision. When you address topics concerning yourself there is an impression of self-righteousness disproportionate to your position and influence. Improvement on your articulation of your opinions would also dismiss the air of self-importance. In general you come off as crude, brutish, and pompous which I feel does not present a good image of the community, or your achievements. I would like to see you change the way you present yourself and opinions, not necessarily the person you are.

I believe you are generally compassionate and emphatic to the community. But if you want to be a spokesperson you need to put more thought into your actions and comments. With refinement I believe you can project a strong image of the Starcraft community to the world.

Rekrul

Korea (South)17174 Posts

February 25 2011 22:39 GMT

#145

the politics of our sc community becoming professionalized hampering the x17er in all of our hearts, one nerd at a time

Issor

United States870 Posts

February 25 2011 22:44 GMT

#146

You are awesome. You've been awesome for a long time, and that's because of your personality.

Not everyone will like you, and that's a fact. These are the same people who will continue to not like you regardless of how you act.

These recent events (well, really only one event) were a setback, but should not be cause for you to limit your exposure or change your personality. You messed up with one thing - the Huko banning (but that guy's a douche anyway, so that's hardly even a big deal, in my eyes). That was rectified and you have apologized, and that is as far as it needs to go.

Keep doing what you do - it's important for your success, in my opinion, that you don't try to limit your exposure outside of NASL or put on a boring face. You are good at what you do and should not view your personality as a limitation.

eLiE

Canada1039 Posts

February 25 2011 22:50 GMT

#147

Hey man, don't stress too much over this. Everyone makes mistakes, and you're obviously handling them in the right way. This whole thing reminds me of a politician caught in a scandal, when it totally shouldn't. Everyone here goes crazy over the smallest things, and they expect every opinion to be politically correct. Make sure you don't try to censor yourself, I appreciate people who aren't afraid to speak their mind/be controversial. Makes things exciting. And I also appreciate what your doing for the community, keep it up!

Helix

United States35 Posts

February 25 2011 22:51 GMT

#148

People do stupid stuff man. Everyone makes decisions and then later goes "well I'm an idiot!"

Don't sweat it. Everyone knows your heart is in this. You'll get it done right.

Cofo

United States1388 Posts

February 25 2011 22:52 GMT

#149

Shit happens.

You do a lot for this community; keep up the good work iNcontroL

patrick321

United States185 Posts

February 25 2011 22:53 GMT

#150

I completely understand where the problems with kelly arose from knowing your personality and to me that's a simple growing pain that a man of your talents will easily learn from and overcome.

With that said, the GSL restream conflict was a tremendously unprofessional move. A person in your position, who is attempting to make the US'es largest streamed sc2 league, should not ever be seen stealing his competitions similar plan. It's unethical and gives you no arguing room when your future nasl viewers begin to do the same thing. You really should have known this without being told otherwise and your 'i stopped when told' excuse is asanine and beside the point.

What Hugo was doing was illegal, there are no arguments there. However, I really don't think the posters who directed you to him did it with the knowledge that you were going to get him banned from jtv and TL. You returned their helpfulness by turning them into snitches. You should have never been asking for a restream in the first place and your viewers paid the price for it.

I can be a very judgemental person so i'm sorry if this came out overly harsh, but that's just how i feel after reading about the situation. Despite this, i'll still be a big fan of your stream and i look forward to the amazing nasl that i know you'll create.

HesitatioN

United States148 Posts

February 25 2011 22:57 GMT

#151

the important thing is to learn from your mistakes and apply them to yourself.
keep up the good work, don't let this slip up bring you down too much; i'll always be a fan of you and your humor

Demagus

48 Posts

February 25 2011 23:01 GMT

#152

As far as the restreaming thing goes ... that was on you, buddy. It doesn't matter who is bitching about this (I'd say that your reasoning for banning Huko was pretty much accurate), that was just a dumb move on your part. But you accepted that and apologized, and I say everybody deserves a mulligan – it's not like you're the only one who makes mistakes.

When it comes to you joking around ... don't stop with that

It's sad to see people getting outraged over your sense of humour. You might need to clarify (possibly over and over again – this is the internet, after all) that your jokes on SotG and your stream are not to be taken too seriously. I've always seen what you do as similar to a comedy roast or the stuff Ricky Gervais does at the Golden Globes etc. There is a possibility that the jokes might be misconstrued as mean-spirited or even hurtful, but I don't see that as a valid reason to abandon them. You can't please everyone ... if you go for a more serious approach, there will be whining about how things used to be better when you were "still funny", just as there is whining when you go for the joke.

In the end you will be the one who has to make the decision here, but let me suggest that you continue to use SotG and your stream as outlets for your personality and that you dial it back as needed when it comes to the NASL. Count on the maturity and open-mindedness of the of your audience and don't even try to please everyone, that's never going to happen. Try not to get too frustrated over this, and don't let a vocal minority run things.

Keep up the good work!

HawaiianPig

Canada5155 Posts

February 25 2011 23:03 GMT

#153

I can't believe this generated so much drama. Keep on being cool and hilarious incontrol, whether you're being professional or "the douchey guy".

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

February 25 2011 23:06 GMT

#154

INC FIGHTING looking forward to PAX / MLG Dallas and seeing you <3

havox_

Germany442 Posts

February 25 2011 23:07 GMT

#155

Actually I think everybody can forgive these small mistakes, although restreaming GSL (as normal as illegal stuff like this seems nowadays) was pretty stupid.
But seriously, "I am the face of a movement" sounds so arrogant... think what Shanlan wrote hits the nail on the head...

SigmaoctanusIV

United States3313 Posts

February 25 2011 23:08 GMT

#156

Geoff... InControl I am a huge supporter I am in the area if you ever need help or just want to hang out hit me up we have pm'd a bit and you know my situation so lets do this! I got your back!

RogueStatus

266 Posts

February 25 2011 23:08 GMT

#157

Oh, I can't wait for this weeks state of the game. What's the over/under on totalbiscuit impersonations?

DeltruS

Canada2214 Posts

February 25 2011 23:09 GMT

#158

"I am no longer the joking or "douchy" persona on a podcast"

This is good. I have a feeling that the reason everyone was so overly critical of you was because the jokes that you said were mean and untrue. All you said was that it "just a joke" or "deal with it"; people couldn't actually show you how it felt to be on the recieving end of all these "jokes".

However, when NASL.tv came out, you started getting self concious. Believe it or not, the internet feels for internets victims. People found a chink in your armor and tried to tear through it. You didn't care about other people, after all, so why should they.

I 100% support you know. Without the slightly "douchy" side of you, you are a really cool guy, totally worthy of being a friend to the internet in general, like Day[9], or Artosis.