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All right, town circles.
1) You can't stop them. Say I PM GMarshal. Boom town circle
2) You can't force someone to PM another person. Although set up 'cells' are nice, people won't do anything, if they don't trust the other people in the cell.
3) Discussion on town circles is useless. It's like discussing the Proleauge, you can't change anything about it even if you yell really hard.
But what can we do about this town circle discussion? Well, I did find one good post.
On February 23 2011 13:31 annul wrote:
pretty sure its better for people to post things in the thread -- much easier to catch red slips that way.
if people only post in these mini town circles, then people are probably more inclined psychologically to trust their town circle and not consider them red, etc.
Check this out. Annul is directly attacking town circles, making weird reasons 'being more inclined to trust certain people' and 'only post in these town circles.'
I don't see why this is a bad trait for townies. Everyone trusts certain people. For example, I'm trusting Foolishness because I don't believe that RoL would make him mafia given the state of TL town.
In addition, Annul is saying that mafia would benefit from these town circles. Again, this is messed up reasoning. Remember, mafia has their own PM circle and if they want to discuss fake anyasis they do so in their own circles, town circles force them under individual scrutiny.
Now, more on Annul, check out this post by him
On February 23 2011 12:55 annul wrote:
it reeks of red because he is like "hey so theres weak powers in this game lol" which can only be known if he is a red, since if he was green he cant make that blanket claim and if he was a blue, he'd even be less inclined to make that claim
the only way he can do that is if he is red and he sees the red team has weak or no powers
Annul's attacking people way to early again... interesting... not the first time he did this. Last time he did this he was mafia. I'm keeping this in mind.
Annul as mafia likes to tunnel people and pretend an argument exists. That worked well in XXXV because town had an IQ of 2, but lets play better kk?
On February 24 2011 08:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:The only problem with this logic is that he was mafia that game, and played very aggressively against LSB to get him lynched. So you can't use this as a scum tell, but it does tell us that annul is capable of making long thought out posts when he wants to, so if anything, we should pressure him to do so. So annul, what's keeping you back from posting anything longer than two lines? You seem to have an opinion on some players, why not write anything substantial?
Only problem is that when he plays town he isn't much better off, and isn't the most pro-town player (RoL did that just fine in Merc Micro)
And a few posts I want to point out
On February 23 2011 13:47 gryffindor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2011 13:19 GMarshal wrote:
for arguments sake going to create analysis cells, use them for informational analysis
(even assuming I were scum there is no way) I could ensure each has a mafia member in it as there isn't enough mafia to go around (I am trying to put at least 1 TL vet in each) as the game progresses and people die we can have new cells form. (also you are free to create your own parallel cells)
1. Coagulation, LSB, gryffindor
2 GMarshal, seRapH, OriginalName
3 Mr. Wiggles, ICanFlyLow, kevconsim
4 Barundar, LastArgument , why
5 darmousseh, Ser Aspi, Kenpachi
6 Gofarman, chaoser, ohN
7 astroorion, CubEdIn, Jackal58
8 Beneather, annul, Conversion
9 icemac, Foolishness, LunarDestiny
10 deconduo, kitaman27, JBright
This is just a suggestion, but I think it is a good one, discuss
This would get us raped by the role reverser, and is really a scummy idea unvote;
##Vote: GMarshal
-.-
Asks for people to claim to him. Check
Blindly throws a FOS not really understanding what's going on. Check
Helloo -Removed because of Qatol's post-
On February 24 2011 01:53 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 01:40 GMarshal wrote:
You guys are not the only people to revive PMs from me, I also PMed Gryffindor (didn't get back to me), chaoser, deconduo, kitaman27 ,darmousseh (there may be 1 or 2 more I don't remember off the top of my head) I've also replied to PMs from other people, this is a way of forcing people to voice opinions by asking them directly, I don't see what your issue with me using PMs as a tool is, its a way for me to see what people are thinking and pressure them to post by making sure they cannot ignore the thread/questions.
This is an issue how? I could see it if my PM read something like "hey I'm a vigi, tell me your role, NOW!" but this is just asking for opinions My issue wasn't that you sent me a PM, it was that you and gryff sent me an almost identical one within a couple hours of each other. This coupled with the fact that the two of you have been going back and forth without actually saying much makes me FOS you.
Can I see these Pms?
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sure, here is what I sent to deconduo, do you want his response as well?
+ Show Spoiler +To: deconduo [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Mafia XXXVII
Date: 2/24/11 00:13
Hi!
So,I'm curious as to what your reads are this game, care to share?
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ROL was the most town in merc mafia? he was mafia and, again, if the town actually listened to me, we won.
it's not my fault people are too fucking stupid to see the good ideas in the things i say. i really do not know what more i need to do other than scream "I AM A MEDIC" 500 times (in merc mafia, not here) and give 100% of my information to whoever asked. what else is there to do?
and really? in the other mafia game i attacked you because what you did made no sense. also, i was trying to take down people who were skilled and i figured i had the chance to do it with you (i did). i almost got away with it too. probably would have if not for ROL being veteran making me unable to kill him night 1 ;\
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On February 24 2011 12:16 annul wrote:
oh hey another smurf
why the fuck does everyone smurf? why are you all afraid of your skill?
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Inactive voting
Inactive voting is a form of a policy lynch, you lynch someone because 1) you hope that through example people will be less inactive (This never works btw), and 2) you don't want to bring the inactive to lylo. Someone who doesn't post much is going to suck at Lylo.
Dealing with Inactives is incredibly important, practically every large normal game lost by the town was because of Inactives. 3 mafia v 4 inactives is no contest at all.
Now, should we waste a lynch on an inactive? How about instead we push town inactives to modkill themselves? What do you guys think about that? We get to use our lynch on annul, and the inactives still disappear!
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also,
"Remember, mafia has their own PM circle and if they want to discuss fake anyasis they do so in their own circles, town circles force them under individual scrutiny."
what? attack my scenario above please, dont throw out useless info like this and expect it to mean something
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On February 24 2011 12:28 GMarshal wrote:sure, here is what I sent to deconduo, do you want his response as well? + Show Spoiler +To: deconduo [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Mafia XXXVII
Date: 2/24/11 00:13
Hi!
So,I'm curious as to what your reads are this game, care to share?
Gryffindor sent me this, so maybe thats what Deconduo is reffering to
Original Message From gryffindor:
What are your general reads so far?
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On February 24 2011 12:31 LSB wrote:
Inactive voting
Inactive voting is a form of a policy lynch, you lynch someone because 1) you hope that through example people will be less inactive (This never works btw), and 2) you don't want to bring the inactive to lylo. Someone who doesn't post much is going to suck at Lylo.
Dealing with Inactives is incredibly important, practically every large normal game lost by the town was because of Inactives. 3 mafia v 4 inactives is no contest at all.
Now, should we waste a lynch on an inactive? How about instead we push town inactives to modkill themselves? What do you guys think about that? We get to use our lynch on annul, and the inactives still disappear!
I can live with option 2.
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here is the funny thing. LSB is probably upset at me for what i did to him the last mafia game, so he is going to try to do the same thing to me that i did to him. i see it coming.
does it make sense? ofc not. is there literally anyone out there who actually likes this cell idea? i expect the rest of the reds to come out!
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On February 24 2011 12:29 annul wrote:
ROL was the most town in merc mafia? he was mafia and, again, if the town actually listened to me, we won.
You lost the game in Merc Mafia. As I said, Kav would have one the game
it's not my fault people are too fucking stupid to see the good ideas in the things i say. i really do not know what more i need to do other than scream "I AM A MEDIC" 500 times (in merc mafia, not here) and give 100% of my information to whoever asked. what else is there to do?
You are forgetting that the reason why you knew that RoL was mafia was because the town knew that between You and RoL, one of you two killed LD.
However, instead of trying to persuade the town, you used process of elimination, saw that RoL had to be mafia, and started yelling without explaining yourself and swearing off people.
Again, this is the fault of annul, he just asserts that he is right with no real reasoning. This is bad for the town for two reasons. 1) It makes him an easy bus by the mafia, ie merc mafia. 2) It makes it easy for him to hide when he actually is mafia.
and really? in the other mafia game i attacked you because what you did made no sense. also, i was trying to take down people who were skilled and i figured i had the chance to do it with you (i did). i almost got away with it too. probably would have if not for ROL being veteran making me unable to kill him night 1 ;\
Not really... You got killed day 2 for a reason. Because a lot of people including me fingered you as mafia.
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the wagon only rolled on me late in day 2, and it wouldnt have rolled if not for ROL pushing it.
and of course i knew ROL was mafia; he gave the vest to my guy who got instantly killed (stupidly). i knew he had the vest, i knew he gave the vest, and i knew the vest was used, since he said so in IRC before the kill came through. so i didnt need to do any elimination, i knew he was mafia.
at the end, kav was retarded and said "i dont want to piss ROL off because he is my mentor in mafia" as his reason for switching. literally. that was his reason. and once he did switch, i had to give us the best chance we had. i was going to medic everyone (assuming no deaths > deaths at night, esp. since mafia controls KP at night). so kav had a bomb going that i medic saved a mafia on... i was supposed to know this how?
that game seriously pissed me off and its funny how even now you don't see what was completely fucking dumb about that game.
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w/e I'm not going to argue with annul. It's a lost cause.
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anyway this is irrelevant to the task at hand
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On February 24 2011 12:16 annul wrote:
oh hey another smurf
why the fuck does everyone smurf? why are you all afraid of your skill?
cute way to sidetrack the debate off your scummy play. "HE POSTED LOGIC SMURFFFFF AHHHHH IGNORE ME" Sorry if I forgot about tl mafia and been busy playing at epicmafia and mafiascum for the past year.
Naturally you don't actually respond to what I said. Even more interesting, a smurf would be someone more knowledgeable than a new player. For you to think that I am a smurf immediately means that you felt what I said had merit. Thus that means you know better, which means you are scum bullshiting.
vote## Annul
Im gonna knock you off your broomstick boy
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more like you are a name ive never seen before and you have 45 total posts and are playing TL mafia
and what you said didnt even merit a reply, tbh. it looked like some random attack to gauge reaction.
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##Vote Annul
I don't want to take him to lylo, and I don't think that he can be persuaded to modkilled himself
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On February 24 2011 12:49 annul wrote:
more like you are a name ive never seen before and you have 45 total posts and are playing TL mafia
and what you said didnt even merit a reply, tbh. it looked like some random attack to gauge reaction.
not to quibble but I had like 90 posts when I started playing mafia... I don't see how you can possibly make a judgment based on that.
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btw: called it!
who seriously didnt see this coming?
the sad part is i think LSB will do this if he is mafia or not. ;\
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On February 24 2011 12:51 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 12:49 annul wrote:
more like you are a name ive never seen before and you have 45 total posts and are playing TL mafia
and what you said didnt even merit a reply, tbh. it looked like some random attack to gauge reaction. not to quibble but I had like 90 posts when I started playing mafia... I don't see how you can possibly make a judgment based on that.
To make judgments you hit "profile, posts" and then stalk everything in there.
Ser Aspi's posting history looks normal to me imo.
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