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9.) Jackal may be mafia he is not playing his usual agressive, tunneling game, and is almost as subdued as in MiniMafia V
This is a really good point:
If we use playstyle analysis and an example as MiniMafia VII some things i noted as playing against him as mafia:
He was baiting us hard the entire game.
He was very aggressive (to the point we went for him as a high value kill)
However this high value kill could have cause him to be more subdued and want to focus on survival .
On the other hand he could be trying to acheve the same result of survival but with another aim.
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I also could be dead fucking wrong but well i prefer to be optimistic day 1.
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I was waiting until tomorrow to post about jackal because I figured that at this point people would jump on my for "derailing discussion" or something stupid like that. However jackal's current play-style is very much in line with his style in MiniMafia V where I was mafia with him. Right now I'm not seeing Jakcal's usual tunneling and focus on one or two players who he is absolutely convinced are scum, nor am I seeing his aggressive posts, as a matter of fact I'm not seeing much of him at all
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GMarshal wrote:
ok, go for it, please kill one of the most active players, the one who actually proposed a plan that is an alternative to "lets let GFs fuck us over, like in salem",if town is stupid enough to go with your plan and your lynch then I hope they realize their mistake in time to hang you.
Let me be frank, I think you are town, but how absolutely terribly you are playing almost merits a lynch, ffs you can't even seem to point out a major flaw in my plan aside from "it not how this setup is played! I know because I am a mafia god!".
I guess this is your master plan for surviving, make mafia unwilling to hit you by helping them along.
You want to hang me? post a goddamn analysis I can at least rebuff rather than these unsupported accusations that are "GMarshal is scum, because I say so" major, major FoS on anyone who goes along with your bandwagon
No, I'm not saying we hang you. What I'm saying is we keep the analysis for later where we actually have substantial data.
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the above was actually addressed more at gryffindor than at you.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 24 2011 10:54 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 10:46 icemac wrote:On February 24 2011 10:44 GMarshal wrote:On February 24 2011 10:39 icemac wrote:On February 24 2011 10:34 GMarshal wrote:On February 24 2011 10:27 gryffindor wrote:On February 24 2011 10:22 icemac wrote:
Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play. Agree. Vote gmarshal with me, he is the one who had the.idea ok, go for it, please kill one of the most active players, the one who actually proposed a plan that is an alternative to "lets let GFs fuck us over, like in salem",if town is stupid enough to go with your plan and your lynch then I hope they realize their mistake in time to hang you. Let me be frank, I think you are town, but how absolutely terribly you are playing almost merits a lynch, ffs you can't even seem to point out a major flaw in my plan aside from "it not how this setup is played! I know because I am a mafia god!". I guess this is your master plan for surviving, make mafia unwilling to hit you by helping them along. You want to hang me? post a goddamn analysis I can at least rebuff rather than these unsupported accusations that are "GMarshal is scum, because I say so" major, major FoS on anyone who goes along with your bandwagon Analysis doesn't mean shit Day 1. I don't see why you feel so compelled to pull stuff out of your ass and call it high level analysis. nice defense, I love the part where you address all my questions, especially the one about why my plan is bad, also I notice you have many in depth contributions, so I guess its justified that you would criticize a poor lurker like me, and allow me to note I never once referred to anything as high level analysis, good way to dodge the questions though! Care to insult me too at this point? I mean im sure a few well aimed offensive remarks would add depth to your brilliant deconstruction of why my plan is scummy. Also post analysis is always good, at any point of the game from day one to lylo, so please take your scummy ideas and aggressive attacks to some more easily intimidated player Alright, let's just say you are being productive, what conclusions are you actually arriving at? Sure 1.) This is a set up that is going to emphasize using PMs to root out mafia 2.) due to the set up and conditions any plan like the salem blue circle is going to be doomed 3.) The best way I see to address this is to make small town circles and use them to gather information 4.) there should be no claiming save rare circumstances,not even in PM and not even to "confirmed" townies 5.) We need to make sure lurkers post as they often cost us the game, hence PM circles can pressure them into posting, also directing votes at them can push them into activity 6.) Gryffindor is most likely just a townie that is playing an awful game of mafia, the fact that he suggests a plan exactly like the one that cost us the game in salem is cause for alarm 7.) annul is most likely not scum either, just another stupid townie, if he were mafia someone would tell him to cut the shit out 8.) DTs are almost worthless 9.) Jackal may be mafia he is not playing his usual agressive, tunneling game, and is almost as subdued as in MiniMafia V 10.) you still failed to address my questions
I don't tunnel. 
Ok I do tunnel.
But I don't do it until I see somebody I really think is scum.
At that point I don't let go.
Right now I have vague feelings of unease towards just about everybody.
And I'm not aggressive. I'm persistent.
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On February 24 2011 11:05 icemac wrote:Show nested quote +GMarshal wrote:
ok, go for it, please kill one of the most active players, the one who actually proposed a plan that is an alternative to "lets let GFs fuck us over, like in salem",if town is stupid enough to go with your plan and your lynch then I hope they realize their mistake in time to hang you.
Let me be frank, I think you are town, but how absolutely terribly you are playing almost merits a lynch, ffs you can't even seem to point out a major flaw in my plan aside from "it not how this setup is played! I know because I am a mafia god!".
I guess this is your master plan for surviving, make mafia unwilling to hit you by helping them along.
You want to hang me? post a goddamn analysis I can at least rebuff rather than these unsupported accusations that are "GMarshal is scum, because I say so" major, major FoS on anyone who goes along with your bandwagon No, I'm not saying we hang you. What I'm saying is we keep the analysis for later where we actually have substantial data.
We can get plenty of data Day 1
Jackal posted our entire scum team in MMVII right before the Night post which ended the game. No lynch D1 by the way.
Votes are a huuuuuge scum tell when analyzed in the right way.
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a) I like GMarshal's plan. Now that he has semi-randomized the groups, I really can't think of a reason it wouldn't be a good idea. I mean, I can see how some experienced players would chafe under doing something that they aren't used to, but really it is much better for town than for scum as long as people realize that there is a chance that their PM buddies are mafia (and they don't claim, for god's sake). I know that when I was mafia in XXXV i specifically avoided joining the IRC because its freaking hard to have opinions on everyone as mafia and remain somewhat consistent. And yes, I know that both my PM partners have PMed me and I haven't responded but I will PM them back after this post.
b) annul: random spamming so far. FoS's GMarshal and Chaoser for little reason. Even though he keeps saying we should lynch one of them, he hasn't actually pushed for them very hard. I mean, compare this to XXXV where he went balls out on LSB. He feels like he's picked a couple active people and voted them without a serious intent to start a bandwagon on them. Could be a townie looking for reactions or mafia trying to look like he's scumhunting.
c) gryffindor: All his arguments seem pretty bad and he's very disruptive. Doesn't seem like he cares at all about being spammy. Probably town, but not a bad lynch regardless.
d) On February 24 2011 11:05 icemac wrote:Show nested quote +GMarshal wrote:
ok, go for it, please kill one of the most active players, the one who actually proposed a plan that is an alternative to "lets let GFs fuck us over, like in salem",if town is stupid enough to go with your plan and your lynch then I hope they realize their mistake in time to hang you.
Let me be frank, I think you are town, but how absolutely terribly you are playing almost merits a lynch, ffs you can't even seem to point out a major flaw in my plan aside from "it not how this setup is played! I know because I am a mafia god!".
I guess this is your master plan for surviving, make mafia unwilling to hit you by helping them along.
You want to hang me? post a goddamn analysis I can at least rebuff rather than these unsupported accusations that are "GMarshal is scum, because I say so" major, major FoS on anyone who goes along with your bandwagon No, I'm not saying we hang you. What I'm saying is we keep the analysis for later where we actually have substantial data.
then what the heck do you propose we do for the next 24 hours if not analysis?
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On February 24 2011 11:09 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 11:05 icemac wrote:GMarshal wrote:
ok, go for it, please kill one of the most active players, the one who actually proposed a plan that is an alternative to "lets let GFs fuck us over, like in salem",if town is stupid enough to go with your plan and your lynch then I hope they realize their mistake in time to hang you.
Let me be frank, I think you are town, but how absolutely terribly you are playing almost merits a lynch, ffs you can't even seem to point out a major flaw in my plan aside from "it not how this setup is played! I know because I am a mafia god!".
I guess this is your master plan for surviving, make mafia unwilling to hit you by helping them along.
You want to hang me? post a goddamn analysis I can at least rebuff rather than these unsupported accusations that are "GMarshal is scum, because I say so" major, major FoS on anyone who goes along with your bandwagon No, I'm not saying we hang you. What I'm saying is we keep the analysis for later where we actually have substantial data. We can get plenty of data Day 1 Jackal posted our entire scum team in MMVII right before the Night post which ended the game. No lynch D1 by the way. Votes are a huuuuuge scum tell when analyzed in the right way.
That's one of the things that gave you guys away.
So far there isn't much of anything that makes me want to point the FoS in any particular direction. But rest assured there will be.
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Im actually almost FoSing Icemac for not wanting Analysis last time I checked that got me killed last game.
Quickly.
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then what the heck do you propose we do for the next 24 hours if not analysis?
Drink beer and play pinochle.
Icemac is on my "scrutinize every word" list.
So are the following:
Annul
GMarshall
Gryfindor
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you know i reply to shit if i am actually here
i was at quidditch practice. just got home. so yeah i dont respond within the two hours that im afk sorry about that i mean for real
in my "pile of shit" the third post, where i talk about chaoser's post -- and then indict GM's cells idea -- informs my vote.
and i would hope that i play differently now than i do when i am mafia lol
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i dont really know why it takes more than one post to inform a vote
the cells idea was absolute garbage. so i am pointing at him. the whole "HEY LOL WE HAVE WEAK ROLES" is a ridic tell as well. what more analysis is there to do?
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edit: actually, i take that back: i DONT hope i play differently when i am town and mafia, actually! i should change shit up
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On February 24 2011 11:18 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +then what the heck do you propose we do for the next 24 hours if not analysis? Drink beer and play pinochle. Icemac is on my "scrutinize every word" list. So are the following: Annul GMarshall Gryfindor
Wonderful, as long as somone is paying attention town should win
Just one thing though, isn't ironic that you are inactive until about 3 minutes after we call you out on being inactive? To me at least that seems somewhat suspicious.
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On February 24 2011 11:24 annul wrote:
i dont really know why it takes more than one post to inform a vote
the cells idea was absolute garbage. so i am pointing at him. the whole "HEY LOL WE HAVE WEAK ROLES" is a ridic tell as well. what more analysis is there to do?
let me say it again, Please explain why you think the cells idea is a bad one, its really difficult for me to actually respond to an accusation that is "lol, scummy idea, lol", hell for all I know you may have an excellent argument for it, one that destroys the idea and leaves me looking like a fool, but as of right now I dont see where you are getting that its a bad idea
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Players to give evil glares to:
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LSB (0 posts, claims to have a life outside the game, but I find that hard to believe)
Beneather (1 post, apparently reading the last few pages for the last 6 hours)
Barundar (1 post, claims to not be able to read the thread until tomorrow)
astroorion (1 posts, declares that he is indeed alive)
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On February 24 2011 11:23 annul wrote:
you know i reply to shit if i am actually here
i was at quidditch practice. just got home. so yeah i dont respond within the two hours that im afk sorry about that i mean for real
in my "pile of shit" the third post, where i talk about chaoser's post -- and then indict GM's cells idea -- informs my vote.
and i would hope that i play differently now than i do when i am mafia lol
I didn't draw a conclusion from the fact that you are playing differently now than in XXXV. I know that you can change up your playstyle...
What I am saying is that you know how to push a lynch (as demonstrated in XXXV), and the fact that you aren't pushing harder means that either (as town) you don't really have a good read on GMarshal or chaoser and are instead killing time and looking for reactions or (as mafia) are voting chaoser/FoSing GMarshal just to look like you are participating but not pushing hard enough for them to be lynched. I haven't decided which yet.
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On February 24 2011 11:25 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 11:18 Jackal58 wrote:then what the heck do you propose we do for the next 24 hours if not analysis? Drink beer and play pinochle. Icemac is on my "scrutinize every word" list. So are the following: Annul GMarshall Gryfindor Wonderful, as long as somone is paying attention town should win Just one thing though, isn't ironic that you are inactive until about 3 minutes after we call you out on being inactive? To me at least that seems somewhat suspicious.
I haven't been inactive. And yes I'm paying attention. That only guarantees that I'm paying attention. Smart ass. 
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alright since why is actually posting I can take my vote off him
##unvote
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