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On February 24 2011 06:42 annul wrote:
actually in fact, the only way you can claim "ive been really scummy so far" is if you saw my play last night, and if you did, then you know i already explained that vote. interesting.
Maybe you should do some reading of your own since I've already responded to your point about me already, as have many others. You looking like a dumb town, or a crazy red playing super aggressive. Either way, you better step up your game fast.
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On February 24 2011 07:56 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 07:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 24 2011 06:28 annul wrote:On February 24 2011 06:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On February 24 2011 00:34 deconduo wrote:
What will Detective return if he investigates a vanilla mafia? Same for a vanilla townie? Detectives return the ROLE of a player. Assuming that mafia is not covered and the townie is not framed it will return "mafia" and "townie" respectively. mafia and townie are not roles, they are alignments... I assumed it would be obvious, but in that case I guess I will rename the roles. When you are a DT you are getting back the role of mafia/town and when you are a cop you are getting back the alignment of mafia/town. Understand? I will change the names to Vanilla Town and Mafia Grunt for the sake of understanding. From now on cops will return Mafia/town and detectives will return vanilla town and mafia grunt. So, hopefully I have this right: -A DT checking a medic will return 'Town Medic' No, it will return "Medic"-A DT checking a framed medic will return 'Mafia Medic' A framed medic will return Mafia Grunt to a DT and Mafia to a cop-A DT checking a grunt will return 'Mafia Grunt' That is correct-A DT checking a covered grunt will return 'Town Grunt' A DT checking a COVERED grunt will return "Vanilla townie" The designation of Vanilla/Grunt just deserve to FURTHER distinguish the difference between a role check and an alignment check.-A role-reversed DT checking a medic will return 'Town' That is correct-A role-reversed DT checking a framed medic will return 'Mafia' That is correct-A role-reversed DT checking a grunt will return 'Mafia' That is correct-A role-reversed DT checking a covered grunt will return 'Town' That is correct
To elaborate again. The Grunt and Vanilla distinguishing features only serve to differentiate a role check from an alignment check.
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Then based on this, we should not control the blue's decision because if we talk about it in the thread, Mafia can just frame/cover/reverse but that should be common sense.
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Canada5894 Posts
The only problem with this logic is that he was mafia that game, and played very aggressively against LSB to get him lynched. So you can't use this as a scum tell, but it does tell us that annul is capable of making long thought out posts when he wants to, so if anything, we should pressure him to do so.
So annul, what's keeping you back from posting anything longer than two lines? You seem to have an opinion on some players, why not write anything substantial?
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Most of the stuff that i have thought has been posted and i agree with a lot of the stuff on here. I think it would be a mistake to get rid of some of the major contributors.
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On February 24 2011 08:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:The only problem with this logic is that he was mafia that game, and played very aggressively against LSB to get him lynched. So you can't use this as a scum tell, but it does tell us that annul is capable of making long thought out posts when he wants to, so if anything, we should pressure him to do so. So annul, what's keeping you back from posting anything longer than two lines? You seem to have an opinion on some players, why not write anything substantial?
Oh, yeah. Forgot to check role >.<
Nevermind then.
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Canada5894 Posts
On February 24 2011 08:48 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 08:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:The only problem with this logic is that he was mafia that game, and played very aggressively against LSB to get him lynched. So you can't use this as a scum tell, but it does tell us that annul is capable of making long thought out posts when he wants to, so if anything, we should pressure him to do so. So annul, what's keeping you back from posting anything longer than two lines? You seem to have an opinion on some players, why not write anything substantial? Oh, yeah. Forgot to check role >.< Nevermind then.
No, it's still good, because it show us that when he's motivated he will take the time to go through the thread and analyze. That was how he was able to pick on LSB as someone he could make a fake analysis on. So this begs the question of why he hasn't been doing anything in this game. Is he trying to hide? Why? Or does he just not care, because that's not very good for town.
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On February 24 2011 09:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 08:48 deconduo wrote:On February 24 2011 08:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:The only problem with this logic is that he was mafia that game, and played very aggressively against LSB to get him lynched. So you can't use this as a scum tell, but it does tell us that annul is capable of making long thought out posts when he wants to, so if anything, we should pressure him to do so. So annul, what's keeping you back from posting anything longer than two lines? You seem to have an opinion on some players, why not write anything substantial? Oh, yeah. Forgot to check role >.< Nevermind then. No, it's still good, because it show us that when he's motivated he will take the time to go through the thread and analyze. That was how he was able to pick on LSB as someone he could make a fake analysis on. So this begs the question of why he hasn't been doing anything in this game. Is he trying to hide? Why? Or does he just not care, because that's not very good for town.
Bored townie syndrome maybe. I dunno, but until he responds
##Vote: annul
Reasons:
-Lots of spam without any substantial posts
-Baseless accusations on GMarshal + Chaoser
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On February 24 2011 09:04 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 08:48 deconduo wrote:On February 24 2011 08:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:The only problem with this logic is that he was mafia that game, and played very aggressively against LSB to get him lynched. So you can't use this as a scum tell, but it does tell us that annul is capable of making long thought out posts when he wants to, so if anything, we should pressure him to do so. So annul, what's keeping you back from posting anything longer than two lines? You seem to have an opinion on some players, why not write anything substantial? Oh, yeah. Forgot to check role >.< Nevermind then. No, it's still good, because it show us that when he's motivated he will take the time to go through the thread and analyze. That was how he was able to pick on LSB as someone he could make a fake analysis on. So this begs the question of why he hasn't been doing anything in this game. Is he trying to hide? Why? Or does he just not care, because that's not very good for town.
Because Decon missed the best post of all.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7462000
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On February 24 2011 08:47 kevconsim wrote:
Most of the stuff that i have thought has been posted and i agree with a lot of the stuff on here. I think it would be a mistake to get rid of some of the major contributors.
Thats not enough man.
Who do you feel are major contributors?
Why do you agree with them?
Who do you think is scum?
What do you agree with?
There are alot of differing opinions this game just bandwagoning is how town loses especially when mafia tips it in the right direction have a mind of your own or you lose.
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In my case I think right now there are really two camps of thought
Gmarshal, Chaoser and co
They advocate:
A PM based game ran around using cells
Pros:
A good way to hide ideas and to disscuss when they are uncorrupted cells
Cons:
A ~30% of mafia corruption.
HOWEVER
Im these cells ther could be multiple scum, so this could or could not be a great idea. This is based on our sign-up numerical based selection.
Clean cells however are a great tool and promote activity as long as the information is put in the thread afterwords.
Another point is how do we know what information is being held back and we could use reactions to lure out mafia in PMs.
Lynch candidates:
Undecided
Annul and co.
Consider GM Chaoser and etc scummy
Wants to pressure them and play this by the book but havent figured out a solid game plan as of yet.
Is more Blue Role based.
Just as easily pushed around by mafia in thread.
Wants a more standard PM usage.
Id like to hear more on planning.
When i take a more anlyaictic approach to system A I like it more but sort of passed it off as viable to corruption.
Mafia Corruption is going to be our number one issue this game.
I really dont have much else to say otherwise and really need more information to act.
Lynching:
Inactives will be modkilled ---> Pursuing an inactive lynch is fairly random in result and can lessen the modkill impact theoretically
Or we could do a more educated lynch at which point we need to have a target in mind and have good evidence to due so.
Or we could just bandwagon and hope for the best you never know (Don't do this)
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EBWOP
Cons:
A ~30% CHANCE of mafia corruption.
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I notice a lot of people who were active in the pre-game seem to have disappeared somewhat.
I'd like to hear from Coag and conversion a bit more.
Gnight for now, hopefully there'll be a bit more talk while I'm asleep.
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Thats not enough man.
What i have thought up on my own so far.
Coagulation seems to be hiding in the back more than the other games that i have read.
I dont know if that is because he doesnt have a lot of time on his hands or if he is trying to not poke his head around as much.
Annul doesnt want to answer questions
gryffindor is hard for me to read towards scum or town
I guess the ability comes with experience
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United States22154 Posts
A post by post analysis of the contributions of annul (I know some people think post by post analysis are not good, but it works for me) as usual my comments are in bold
+ Show Spoiler +uh has this game started? i dont see a day 1 post or even a role PM
ok, we can discount this post
+ Show Spoiler +okay hi peeps
vote chaoser. that post reeks of redness.
p.s. still no role PM!
Ok, two things throwing around FoS without justification is a big no-no, if you think something is scummy give a reason, I won't comment about role PM timings as I do believe it is against the rules, still no way to call this a contribution at all
+ Show Spoiler +also where is the voting thread?
ok
+ Show Spoiler +nobody in this game should trust gryffindor whatsoever. i read orgah and i have NO IDEA how he didnt die like 5 days before he did
also, he's a smurf and if you read this forum you should already know who he is ;\
I agree I have no idea why he didn't die earlier in Orgah, however that is neither here nor there, although I will agree about not trusting him, too bad annul is going to essentially agree with everything Gryf says
+ Show Spoiler +it reeks of red because he is like "hey so theres weak powers in this game lol" which can only be known if he is a red, since if he was green he cant make that blanket claim and if he was a blue, he'd even be less inclined to make that claim
the only way he can do that is if he is red and he sees the red team has weak or no powers
finally a justification of his FoS on chooser, lets analyze it shall we? so essentially because chaoser thinks that mafia powers aren't that powerful (and cost for cost they may not be) this means he must be scum, faulty logic at best. Also the powers are in the OP, so no need for him to be red to make comments on them, all in all its a really weak reason to FoS someone
+ Show Spoiler +yeah that would be... foolish
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
spam, lovely, although it did get a small grin from me
+ Show Spoiler +what?
that post makes no sense. like, i dont mean the logic, i mean the grammar (though the logic probably sucks too)
I don't know what he is referring to, and I dislike the snarky comment, also not a contribution
+ Show Spoiler +Meme in response to my cells idea
well it was a funny picture, but hardly a contribution
+ Show Spoiler +same reason you knew the mafia was weak?
repeating bad logic does not make it into reality
+ Show Spoiler +pretty sure its better for people to post things in the thread -- much easier to catch red slips that way.
if people only post in these mini town circles, then people are probably more inclined psychologically to trust their town circle and not consider them red, etc.
actually a decent argument! +1 to his contribution count! Still I've said and emphasized that PMs are a tool to be used for scumhunting and that the purpose of the circles is to promote activity, and not to trust anyone still I like to see that annul is at least thinking
+ Show Spoiler +(/snip)
(Me asking what the purpose of claiming vet is)
wifom
one word response that fails to really address the question, still though gryffindor can at least rest easy that he will not be killed, not because he is a vet but because he is disrupting town
+ Show Spoiler +I'M A VET TOO
I BROKE THE DAM
...ok...moving on
+ Show Spoiler +but for real lets kill chaoser and GM
the level of depth to this argument is breathtaking, I do wish it came with an index so I could properly format my response to each of his well made points
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(/snip RoLs first clarification about DTs)
mafia and townie are not roles, they are alignments...
I thought RoL made sense, still I guess having things clarified is never a bad thing, lets call it .5 of a contribution
+ Show Spoiler +also hi. am out of class now
why arent we killing chaoser or GM?
im gonna go ##vote chaoser now myself.
hi! when voting please provide reasons, otherwise I might think you are just trying to get people lynched for no reason, we wouldn't want that, now would we?
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(/snip chaoser asking for a vote justification)
i already did, you should probably read the entire thread
I addressed your "reasoning" already, now do me a favor and try harder, also if someone asks its not that hard to go back and quote your post
+ Show Spoiler +actually in fact, the only way you can claim "ive been really scummy so far" is if you saw my play last night, and if you did, then you know i already explained that vote. interesting.
what? color me confused. what vote? guess what? spamming useless one liners and not contributing is scummy!
+ Show Spoiler +(/snip me sarcastically saying that its a good idea to lynch chaoser and I)
its brilliant when you post the dumbest shit possible yeah
harmful activity isnt exempt on day 1
so, please go over in detail what "the dumbest shit possible" is. Maybe if I had suggested a mass claim or perhaps the formation of a circle of confirmed blues rather than independent scum hunting teams that would have made you happy? please tell me what harmful posts I've made, I really want to know so I can rectify my play in the future. I'll say it one more time; do not make unsupported statements and expect me to take them at all seriously
contribution count= 1.5 (with me being really generous with what constitutes a contribution, really more like .75)
post count = 18
verdict = either aggressive scum or bad townie
If his posts continue to be this poor then we may have no choice but to hang him
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sorry im not lurking i just got a pm from ROL telling me im stupid and need to stop posting cause people are complaining.
that is all. im 100% reading and analyzing the thread.
Feel free to ask me any questions or anything...
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On February 24 2011 09:37 Coagulation wrote:
sorry im not lurking i just got a pm from ROL telling me im stupid and need to stop posting cause people are complaining.
that is all. im 100% reading and analyzing the thread.
Feel free to ask me any questions or anything...
Opinions on annul, GMarshal, gryffindor, chaoser.
Opinion on cells.
Now I really am going to bed >.>
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Also i want an update on dat Coag list.
seems bitchiiiiiin
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mm.. i dont agree with gryff's idea of playing it all in the hands of 1 person, especially when alliance is easily manipulated in this game. It makes me think of Salem because one of the earliest "confirmed" was the GF..
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