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I'm kind of disappointed with the "analysis" of the game.
Yes, we were favored, and yes, I didn't contribute much in the mafia thread. But it's the 4th time in a row I get scum and I'm sick of making stuff up to post that looks pro town, only to be outed for trying to be too pro-town.
And I was the one who said Ser Aspi was a smurf, mostly because of all the sheeping that was going on. You said that we couldn't counter-argue him and foolishness, but the fact of the matter is, all they did was post the analysis, and most of the town, being clueless, sheeped along. When they were wrong, the town was wrong. When they were right, the town was right. Props to them for being good scum hunters, but there was no arguing with the town when all of them would switch their votes in the last 3-4 hours of the day.
LSB did good as well, and others too, I'm not trying to take away the victory from anyone, but out of the 30 people, I felt as if we were only fighting 5 or 6.
Anyway, if the setup would've been open, we could've just taken down foolishness ser aspi and lsb sooner, but we were thinking that there are 3 medics or so given that we started with 3,5 kp. It doesn't matter that none of them were blue, but the town would've been really toast if it wasn't for those three, imo.
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GG
I think the thing that completely fucked us was the extra KP thing. It cleared LSB and Jackal giving town a huge circle which dominated the rest of the game.
Annul getting lynched day 1 didn't help, I was really pissed off at him for that 
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On March 15 2011 19:35 deconduo wrote:GG I think the thing that completely fucked us was the extra KP thing. It cleared LSB and Jackal giving town a huge circle which dominated the rest of the game. Annul getting lynched day 1 didn't help, I was really pissed off at him for that
Good thing LSB killed me, because I could not get out of my head that LSB bussed annul. And by association, I was paranoid about foolishness.
Well played scum. Well played town!
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On March 15 2011 12:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On February 26 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote:
you can still be a winner wiggles
we can still win this for town Hell yeah. Nice job, town. Looked like a fun game, too bad I got murdered night 1. :p DON'T FUCKING BLUE SLIP IN PM CIRCLES AND THAT GOES TWICE FOR YOU DARMOUSSEH
What did I slip? I'm honestly not sure haha, only second time as blue, would like to know so I can avoid doing it, or know when to do it in future.
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i had to have figured i would be going out early this game, so i played it with that knowledge in my head. i tried to set us up for a late game (which is what i always try to do).
i tried to implicate 3 people, so that town, if they went for mafia, would then waste votes on the other 2, and if they went for town, they would think "ok he just attacked towns"
it seems to me like i should just stop attacking on day 1 regardless of my color it seems to get me in trouble. i just cant wrap my head around this. i sign up to play, and i play balls out.
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On March 16 2011 00:06 annul wrote:
i had to have figured i would be going out early this game, so i played it with that knowledge in my head. i tried to set us up for a late game (which is what i always try to do).
i tried to implicate 3 people, so that town, if they went for mafia, would then waste votes on the other 2, and if they went for town, they would think "ok he just attacked towns"
it seems to me like i should just stop attacking on day 1 regardless of my color it seems to get me in trouble. i just cant wrap my head around this. i sign up to play, and i play balls out.
Maybe you should pretend you are a vampire instead 
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On March 15 2011 23:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 12:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On March 15 2011 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On February 26 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote:
you can still be a winner wiggles
we can still win this for town Hell yeah. Nice job, town. Looked like a fun game, too bad I got murdered night 1. :p DON'T FUCKING BLUE SLIP IN PM CIRCLES AND THAT GOES TWICE FOR YOU DARMOUSSEH What did I slip? I'm honestly not sure haha, only second time as blue, would like to know so I can avoid doing it, or know when to do it in future.
I think Chaoser linked the mafia quicktopic thread. You can see him posting. He hard sniped darmousseh, I think he was like 50% on you.
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On March 16 2011 00:06 annul wrote:
i had to have figured i would be going out early this game, so i played it with that knowledge in my head. i tried to set us up for a late game (which is what i always try to do).
i tried to implicate 3 people, so that town, if they went for mafia, would then waste votes on the other 2, and if they went for town, they would think "ok he just attacked towns"
it seems to me like i should just stop attacking on day 1 regardless of my color it seems to get me in trouble. i just cant wrap my head around this. i sign up to play, and i play balls out.
You can play balls out without playing retardedly. When you attack someone viciously day 1 and use retarded arguments you are going to get lynched. Whether it is day 1 or day 2 that they do it is the only difference. Even if you are town.
The only reason people listened to you in XXXV and didn't lynch you first is because LSB did a piss poor job defending himself. Your attacks weren't good in that game, its just LSB responded stupidly.
When you do that and attack without an actual case its annoying and anti town. When you try to play it off like its your meta as an excuse it just looks worse.
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On March 15 2011 17:42 CubEdIn wrote:
I'm kind of disappointed with the "analysis" of the game.
Yes, we were favored, and yes, I didn't contribute much in the mafia thread. But it's the 4th time in a row I get scum and I'm sick of making stuff up to post that looks pro town, only to be outed for trying to be too pro-town.
And I was the one who said Ser Aspi was a smurf, mostly because of all the sheeping that was going on. You said that we couldn't counter-argue him and foolishness, but the fact of the matter is, all they did was post the analysis, and most of the town, being clueless, sheeped along. When they were wrong, the town was wrong. When they were right, the town was right. Props to them for being good scum hunters, but there was no arguing with the town when all of them would switch their votes in the last 3-4 hours of the day.
LSB did good as well, and others too, I'm not trying to take away the victory from anyone, but out of the 30 people, I felt as if we were only fighting 5 or 6.
Anyway, if the setup would've been open, we could've just taken down foolishness ser aspi and lsb sooner, but we were thinking that there are 3 medics or so given that we started with 3,5 kp. It doesn't matter that none of them were blue, but the town would've been really toast if it wasn't for those three, imo.
This is why I said it is critical to shoot town leaders/analysts early. Its not like mafia didn't have options. If you can't counter argue with someone, you just shoot them. The fact that they post analysis and everyone agrees is natural. After all, nobody else really had any solid analysis on anyone. You can't blame people for agreeing with one analysis if thats the only really strong one out there. And generally when you see someone give a strong analysis, you can tell. Its not like Foolishness/Ser Aspi were pulling a name out of a hat and trying to find reasons why that perosn was maifa. Good reasoning tends to get support. If mafia don't like that reasoning, they should change it. You can't complain about sheeping if you don't do anything about it. Its like saying oh, we're doomed. If you do that, of course you will be doomed. If mafia put adequate doubt into the lynches, then sheeping doesn't occur. Or at least, not to the extent that it did here.
Having to fight only 5 or 6 townies is a great thing for mafia. Less people that need to be urgently killed. More opportunity for you to get in there take control.
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On March 16 2011 02:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 23:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 15 2011 12:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On March 15 2011 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On February 26 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote:
you can still be a winner wiggles
we can still win this for town Hell yeah. Nice job, town. Looked like a fun game, too bad I got murdered night 1. :p DON'T FUCKING BLUE SLIP IN PM CIRCLES AND THAT GOES TWICE FOR YOU DARMOUSSEH What did I slip? I'm honestly not sure haha, only second time as blue, would like to know so I can avoid doing it, or know when to do it in future. I think Chaoser linked the mafia quicktopic thread. You can see him posting. He hard sniped darmousseh, I think he was like 50% on you.
Huh, no mention in there of me being blue, just a mid-level player, which is funny cause I think I'm a n00b still.
Only PM's with Chaoser:
+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From chaoser: Regardless, he continued it so it's like...why? Also his negative tone is just...wtf. He calls Ser Aspi out for no reason just to put him down for smurfing...really? is that needed? I dunno, i'm too tired for this, going to hit the sack Show nested quote +Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: Thanks haha. Was he the one who started the mud flinging though? I'm going to go back and check on that. Original Message From chaoser: I mean there's not helping town and there's being detrimental to town. Making the thread into a heated mud slinging battle=not very good atmosphere to be catching red in. Promoting discussion is fine, promoting flaming is not. I know he can do better too, it's just a question of why isn't he i guess. Also congrats on your winning of the immunity in survivor mafia, I got all of them except for american graffiti =[. Original Message From Mr. Wiggles: I'm not familiar with annul's town play, but it is different from his mafia play. I don't think this says anything about him being scum or not though. I do know from XXXV he can make longer posts though, and he's not doing that. I don't think he's helping town much. Not sure if that's a good enough reason to lynch though, there's a lot of people not helping town. Original Message From chaoser:
Hey, was wondering what your read on annul was? Aggressive mafia or townie annul being townie annul -_-. I hate policy lynches but if it keeps going this way...I think he's detrimental to the town even if he was green. Thoughts on that?
not that my role was incredibly useful, I'm still curious if I was a snipe or a lucky pick. I have no clue how to act in PM land (Read: Not many people Pm me  ), so this would be useful.
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iirc you aren't mentioned by name. He says something like "I think i got another one, not 100% though" which i assumed was you.
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On March 15 2011 17:42 CubEdIn wrote:
I'm kind of disappointed with the "analysis" of the game.
Yes, we were favored, and yes, I didn't contribute much in the mafia thread. But it's the 4th time in a row I get scum and I'm sick of making stuff up to post that looks pro town, only to be outed for trying to be too pro-town.
And I was the one who said Ser Aspi was a smurf, mostly because of all the sheeping that was going on. You said that we couldn't counter-argue him and foolishness, but the fact of the matter is, all they did was post the analysis, and most of the town, being clueless, sheeped along. When they were wrong, the town was wrong. When they were right, the town was right. Props to them for being good scum hunters, but there was no arguing with the town when all of them would switch their votes in the last 3-4 hours of the day.
LSB did good as well, and others too, I'm not trying to take away the victory from anyone, but out of the 30 people, I felt as if we were only fighting 5 or 6.
Anyway, if the setup would've been open, we could've just taken down foolishness ser aspi and lsb sooner, but we were thinking that there are 3 medics or so given that we started with 3,5 kp. It doesn't matter that none of them were blue, but the town would've been really toast if it wasn't for those three, imo.
Don't worry, the analysis is coming. Ver just takes a while to get his analysis out (and sometimes it takes me a while to proofread). But it will be in the other thread, not here.
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On March 15 2011 13:19 Coagulation wrote:
my playstyle makes it impossible to read me however it also at the same time makes it impossible to get people to listen to me.. however this is why i usually claim night 1 to a seasoned player and let my scumhunting abilities be voiced through them.
I knew you had a role (red or blue) since day 2ish because you were too withdrawn. You were clearly extremely active but you were also holding back on your contributions, which indicates something smelly. Maybe something to consider the next time you're blue/red.
I had you on a mafia list when I first talked to jackal right before day 4 and fortunately he set me straight.
On March 16 2011 00:06 annul wrote:
i had to have figured i would be going out early this game, so i played it with that knowledge in my head. i tried to set us up for a late game (which is what i always try to do).
i tried to implicate 3 people, so that town, if they went for mafia, would then waste votes on the other 2, and if they went for town, they would think "ok he just attacked towns"
it seems to me like i should just stop attacking on day 1 regardless of my color it seems to get me in trouble. i just cant wrap my head around this. i sign up to play, and i play balls out.
There's nothing wrong with playing that way day 1, though it's not popular, other players have done it at times: L in particular acts that way frequently as both mafia and town so you might want to look at some of his games. The emphasis is not on what you do but how you do it. This game you were attacking a clearly pro town idea and didn't really provide value yourself. It's also much different if you attack someone who's promoting bad ideas or being shady etc. Probably the most important thing is to figure out your overall purpose, then go from there in determining your course of action. What is your goal for being so aggressive day 1?
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for the record i still believe the day 1 idea was fucking retarded.
my goal on day 1 for aggressiveness is to stir the pot and kill inactivity, and to make people talk. the way i see it, i would usually much rather play 100% and die in 2 days than lurk and survive to LYLO. if i am town, i am trying to throw mafia off their game plan, get people on the record, judge reaction, etc. if i am mafia, i am trying to appear as if i am doing the exact same thing.
like i honestly try to play day 1 and day 2 the exact same way if i am mafia or not. i think as mafia it is stupid to construct elaborate plans so early. you need more moves on the table before you can tweak shit up. so before we get to that point with some of the pieces removed, try to play just as you would a greenie. and for me, thats usually a strong offense
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I agree with what Ver said in regards to your play. Your arguing is generally very weak and without actual points. Day 1 aggression is hard to pull off, generally you don't have much to be aggressive about and to do it without repercussions can be hard. You need to formulate and execute points better. I thought you did that just as mafia, but I noticed in Merc Mafia when I was arguing against you, you never really made any points. You just kept shouting that I was clearly scum and I was lying, without making any actual points. In that game the reason I won the town over was because publicly I was making better arguments, even if you did kind of have Kavdragon convinced later on. The actual situation we were in that game made my story unwind slowly where I made less and less sense. I don't think Kav actually believed me at the end, but luckily I managed to guilt trip him to get him to swap votes onto you.
My main point is that you need to make more sense with your arguments. Explain your reasoning. Even the most skilled players on this forum couldn't get away with a non argument.
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On March 16 2011 13:27 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I don't think Kav actually believed me at the end, but luckily I managed to guilt trip him to get him to swap votes onto you.
I'm not sure how many times I'll have to explain this, or if it will matter in the end, but it wasn't your guilt trip that made me switch. It was because I'd found a way to kill off everyone left in the game. The only way that it could fail was if Annul was mafia. I really wasn't sure who to believe at the end, so i just went with the plan where I killed everyone. (Unfortunetly, I had to cook for my family and couldn't do a proper ninja vote. So he saw it and did the one thing that could have messed up my plan. My fault really, for not thinking about that posibility. LSB think's it annuls fault, I think it was both our faults, annul thinks it was my fault. So I guess we're all even in a twisted way.)
=D /derail
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On March 15 2011 12:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On February 26 2011 12:10 Coagulation wrote:
you can still be a winner wiggles
we can still win this for town Hell yeah. Nice job, town. Looked like a fun game, too bad I got murdered night 1. :p DON'T FUCKING BLUE SLIP IN PM CIRCLES AND THAT GOES TWICE FOR YOU DARMOUSSEH
? How did I blue slip?
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On March 15 2011 12:29 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +darmo 10
02-24-2011 04:15 PM ET (US)
Hey guys, sorry i'm so busy, the survivor game takes up a lot of time. I agree with the LaL policy as it is very rare that a townie needs to lie. Yeah, not sure about jackal either, but it's really hard to go off anything yet. I'm always really confused on day 1. Do we plan on claiming to each other? If one of you guys are scum, then that could spell disaster for the rest of us. The slip lol
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On March 16 2011 16:25 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 12:29 chaoser wrote:darmo 10
02-24-2011 04:15 PM ET (US)
Hey guys, sorry i'm so busy, the survivor game takes up a lot of time. I agree with the LaL policy as it is very rare that a townie needs to lie. Yeah, not sure about jackal either, but it's really hard to go off anything yet. I'm always really confused on day 1. Do we plan on claiming to each other? If one of you guys are scum, then that could spell disaster for the rest of us. The slip lol
that's not really a slip in my playstyle. I've said similar things in pms in other games when i'm green or mafia. Everything I say is very intentional.
Edit; Typically if I'm green I want mafia to think i'm blue so I will say things like "i think we should role claim" so I decided to continue the trend. I guess it's not so good against people who I haven't had much experience with, but an important part of the game is the meta game so I typically play the same every time.
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