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On February 24 2011 01:40 GMarshal wrote:
You guys are not the only people to revive PMs from me, I also PMed Gryffindor (didn't get back to me), chaoser, deconduo, kitaman27 ,darmousseh (there may be 1 or 2 more I don't remember off the top of my head) I've also replied to PMs from other people, this is a way of forcing people to voice opinions by asking them directly, I don't see what your issue with me using PMs as a tool is, its a way for me to see what people are thinking and pressure them to post by making sure they cannot ignore the thread/questions.
This is an issue how? I could see it if my PM read something like "hey I'm a vigi, tell me your role, NOW!" but this is just asking for opinions
My issue wasn't that you sent me a PM, it was that you and gryff sent me an almost identical one within a couple hours of each other.
This coupled with the fact that the two of you have been going back and forth without actually saying much makes me FOS you.
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On February 24 2011 01:48 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 01:34 OriginalName wrote:
He seems to want reads to be isolated when they should be posted in the thread.
This is seems scummier and scummier to me but i will reserve my judgement for now. -_-
No I dont want read isolated, but people aren't posting them in the thread anyway, I may as well ask, I encourage people to go ahead and post them but by asking I'm forcing people to at least think about it, and if I see what I perceive as a scum tell or even a really good analysis then I'll tell the person to post it in the thread, or I'll post it myself.
However by keeping those reads "isolated" I avoid the typical scum tactic of restating someone elses opinion in other words (e.g. If I say I think Quatol is scum for A, B and C, it usualy turns into 4-5 people saying "yeah, yeah" and scum "contributing" by saying "well Quatol is scum for B, C and A")
So ON, who are your scum reads since you insist so much that all interaction should take place in the thread?
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I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him.
But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop.
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On February 24 2011 01:53 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 01:40 GMarshal wrote:
You guys are not the only people to revive PMs from me, I also PMed Gryffindor (didn't get back to me), chaoser, deconduo, kitaman27 ,darmousseh (there may be 1 or 2 more I don't remember off the top of my head) I've also replied to PMs from other people, this is a way of forcing people to voice opinions by asking them directly, I don't see what your issue with me using PMs as a tool is, its a way for me to see what people are thinking and pressure them to post by making sure they cannot ignore the thread/questions.
This is an issue how? I could see it if my PM read something like "hey I'm a vigi, tell me your role, NOW!" but this is just asking for opinions My issue wasn't that you sent me a PM, it was that you and gryff sent me an almost identical one within a couple hours of each other. This coupled with the fact that the two of you have been going back and forth without actually saying much makes me FOS you.
Well hypothetically if we were scum wouldn't we have coordinated that better? Anyway as I said I've been PM alot of people to get their opinions so I'm not that surprised that I happened to overlap with someone
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On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote:
I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him.
But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop.
What?
If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away.
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On February 24 2011 01:55 GMarshal wrote:
So ON, who are your scum reads since you insist so much that all interaction should take place in the thread?
While I would like to say you I really dont have much evidence other than that.
Other than you:
Chaoser
Gryf (mostly the Vet claim and the possible fake fighting between you and him)
That random dude who voted Annul for no reason (Althought probably just a newb)
At this point I really dont have a good idea. My opinions on the rest are generally neutral and I really dont have anyone who i solidly think is town yet.
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On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote:
I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him.
But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. What? If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away.
Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town
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On February 24 2011 02:11 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote:On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote:
I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him.
But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. What? If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away. Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town
While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think that's an issue right now, even if that did happen, when the townie flipped green we would immediately go after the people who posted the PM
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On February 24 2011 01:48 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 01:34 OriginalName wrote:
He seems to want reads to be isolated when they should be posted in the thread.
This is seems scummier and scummier to me but i will reserve my judgement for now. -_-
Use of PM to ask questions directed at one specific person isn't "isolation" it's scumhunting. He isn't preventing you from posting both in PMs and on the thread. If anything, if you only reply in PM and not in thread, that's a bit suspicious to the person PMing you. Mass pming everyone to ask questions that aren't blue directed could either be townie trying to scum hunt or a mafia trying REALLLY hard to play infiltration role.
Grfy's vet claim is a pretty good play if he's town i'd say....
1) it gets reactions from people
2) mafia has to be on their toes, is he really vet or is he lying? Do we hit him or let him live?
The only thing that worries me about it is the mass claim part to me. While most veteran players won't and will merely respond with a what?? you so crazy!!, some newbies with blue roles might actually do it and claim (even some vets are stupid enough to blind claim -_-) For that, I'm suspicious and that's why I'm asking pointed questions to him, specifically in thread. I could have done it in PMs too, which i think is what Gmarshal is doing, applying pressure.
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On February 24 2011 02:13 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 02:11 Jackal58 wrote:On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote:On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote:
I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him.
But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. What? If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away. Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think that's an issue right now, even if that did happen, when the townie flipped green we would immediately go after the people who posted the PM
I understand that. But if we get in that habit scum will use it to kill us at endgame. Better not doing it at all.
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On February 24 2011 02:18 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 02:13 GMarshal wrote:On February 24 2011 02:11 Jackal58 wrote:On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote:On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote:
I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him.
But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. What? If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away. Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think that's an issue right now, even if that did happen, when the townie flipped green we would immediately go after the people who posted the PM I understand that. But if we get in that habit scum will use it to kill us at endgame. Better not doing it at all.
Ok, I can see that, I really didn't consider the possibility in an endgame scenario
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On February 24 2011 02:14 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 01:48 OriginalName wrote:On February 24 2011 01:34 OriginalName wrote:
He seems to want reads to be isolated when they should be posted in the thread.
This is seems scummier and scummier to me but i will reserve my judgement for now. -_- Use of PM to ask questions directed at one specific person isn't "isolation" it's scumhunting. He isn't preventing you from posting both in PMs and on the thread. If anything, if you only reply in PM and not in thread, that's a bit suspicious to the person PMing you. Mass pming everyone to ask questions that aren't blue directed could either be townie trying to scum hunt or a mafia trying REALLLY hard to play infiltration role. Grfy's vet claim is a pretty good play if he's town i'd say.... 1) it gets reactions from people 2) mafia has to be on their toes, is he really vet or is he lying? Do we hit him or let him live? The only thing that worries me about it is the mass claim part to me. While most veteran players won't and will merely respond with a what?? you so crazy!!, some newbies with blue roles might actually do it and claim (even some vets are stupid enough to blind claim -_-) For that, I'm suspicious and that's why I'm asking pointed questions to him, specifically in thread. I could have done it in PMs too, which i think is what Gmarshal is doing, applying pressure.
If he is a vet scum just have to do a role reversal on him and he's "hit" His claim makes no sense in this set up.
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On February 24 2011 02:21 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 02:14 chaoser wrote:On February 24 2011 01:48 OriginalName wrote:On February 24 2011 01:34 OriginalName wrote:
He seems to want reads to be isolated when they should be posted in the thread.
This is seems scummier and scummier to me but i will reserve my judgement for now. -_- Use of PM to ask questions directed at one specific person isn't "isolation" it's scumhunting. He isn't preventing you from posting both in PMs and on the thread. If anything, if you only reply in PM and not in thread, that's a bit suspicious to the person PMing you. Mass pming everyone to ask questions that aren't blue directed could either be townie trying to scum hunt or a mafia trying REALLLY hard to play infiltration role. Grfy's vet claim is a pretty good play if he's town i'd say.... 1) it gets reactions from people 2) mafia has to be on their toes, is he really vet or is he lying? Do we hit him or let him live? The only thing that worries me about it is the mass claim part to me. While most veteran players won't and will merely respond with a what?? you so crazy!!, some newbies with blue roles might actually do it and claim (even some vets are stupid enough to blind claim -_-) For that, I'm suspicious and that's why I'm asking pointed questions to him, specifically in thread. I could have done it in PMs too, which i think is what Gmarshal is doing, applying pressure. If he is a vet scum just have to do a role reversal on him and he's "hit" His claim makes no sense in this set up.
And if he's just green? They just wasted 1 KP. It makes mafia doubt and because of that, he can play a bit more aggressive and out in the open, though that might be just in his character...
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Hey, guys sorry for being inactive or did it just start. I won't post anything big yet let me read the last few pages ^-^
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On February 24 2011 02:18 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 02:13 GMarshal wrote:On February 24 2011 02:11 Jackal58 wrote:On February 24 2011 02:00 deconduo wrote:On February 24 2011 01:56 Jackal58 wrote:
I have received a PM from GMarshall as well. Whoopee. I will probably even answer him.
But posting quotes and copies of PMs is a very scummy thing to do. You can make them say anything. Please stop. What? If someone manipulates or changes PMs to say what they want that's a scum caught straight away. Also as easy for 2 scum or more to edit and post PMs to kill town While I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think that's an issue right now, even if that did happen, when the townie flipped green we would immediately go after the people who posted the PM I understand that. But if we get in that habit scum will use it to kill us at endgame. Better not doing it at all.
So your reasoning is:
Two mafia might edit a PM and post it to gang up on a townie to get them lynched in a lylo situation so therefore don't do it at all ever. Anyone who does post a PM is scummy.
This is so flawed I don't even know where to begin....
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Hey guys, just wanna post up in here. Let's have a good game  . I'll post more later after I properly read all the posts 24 pages already t.t
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On February 24 2011 06:03 icemac wrote:Hey guys, just wanna post up in here. Let's have a good game . I'll post more later after I properly read all the posts 24 pages already t.t
Game starts on page 14 if you want to save yourself some time.
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On February 24 2011 00:34 deconduo wrote:
What will Detective return if he investigates a vanilla mafia? Same for a vanilla townie?
Detectives return the ROLE of a player. Assuming that mafia is not covered and the townie is not framed it will return "mafia" and "townie" respectively.
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On February 24 2011 06:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2011 00:34 deconduo wrote:
What will Detective return if he investigates a vanilla mafia? Same for a vanilla townie? Detectives return the ROLE of a player. Assuming that mafia is not covered and the townie is not framed it will return "mafia" and "townie" respectively.
so basically the framer defeats both Cops and Detectives, wonderful, now that this has been cleared up allow me to state that DTs are semi worthless then and should go after people not in the spotlight, as those results will be the most suspect
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