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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 24 2011 06:18 GMT
#621
also my post up above should cover all the PM's that have been sent to me. I generally dont respond to people who pm me in mafia. usually if i wanna engage in pm with someone i will initiate.
sorry but its a safe way to play
RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
February 24 2011 06:18 GMT
#622
On February 24 2011 14:14 why wrote:
LSB, I cannot believe I just read an entire page of you and annul fighting again. Seriously there is no reason to get drawn into that again if you are town. And why are you voting for annul? You say that he is playing similarly to XXXV in that he is tunneling a player early. The (obvious) difference is that this game he isn't really pushing for GMarshal or chaoser's lynch like he did yours, he's just sort of putting their names out there. I feel like you are just voting for annul because you don't like him and not because you think he's mafia.

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 13:03 annul wrote:
##unvote

##vote gmarshal

better than chaoser atm


And annul, why are you voting for GMarshal again? If it's because you think his plan is scummy than you should lynch a large portion of town who like it. I certainly do.

In other news here is my current lynch pick: icemac

His relevant posts in spoilers -

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 24 2011 10:20 icemac wrote:
Seems like shit's hitting the wall pretty hard without any real leads so far. Since its too early, why not just get a semi-active who is probably smart enough to keep their heads in the game but not smart enough to post big as a mafia. I guess this is ironic coming from me seeing as how I've just got up to date & posting.


On February 24 2011 10:22 icemac wrote:
Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play.


On February 24 2011 10:39 icemac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 10:34 GMarshal wrote:
On February 24 2011 10:27 gryffindor wrote:
On February 24 2011 10:22 icemac wrote:
Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play.

Agree. Vote gmarshal with me, he is the one who had the.idea


ok, go for it, please kill one of the most active players, the one who actually proposed a plan that is an alternative to "lets let GFs fuck us over, like in salem",if town is stupid enough to go with your plan and your lynch then I hope they realize their mistake in time to hang you.

Let me be frank, I think you are town, but how absolutely terribly you are playing almost merits a lynch, ffs you can't even seem to point out a major flaw in my plan aside from "it not how this setup is played! I know because I am a mafia god!".

I guess this is your master plan for surviving, make mafia unwilling to hit you by helping them along.

You want to hang me? post a goddamn analysis I can at least rebuff rather than these unsupported accusations that are "GMarshal is scum, because I say so" major, major FoS on anyone who goes along with your bandwagon

Analysis doesn't mean shit Day 1. I don't see why you feel so compelled to pull stuff out of your ass and call it high level analysis.


On February 24 2011 10:41 icemac wrote:
I'm proposing we kill 0 of annul, GMarshal, gryffindor, chaoser and play it by ear afterwards.


On February 24 2011 12:12 icemac wrote:
Imo, we just need to get a vote out. With so many mafia on the floor, its trivial for them to just sweep something under the carpet.


On February 24 2011 12:22 icemac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 11:31 kitaman27 wrote:
Players to give evil glares to:

darmousseh (0 posts)
JBright (0 posts)
MaxwellE (0 posts, replacement)
ICanFlyLow (0 posts)
LSB (0 posts, claims to have a life outside the game, but I find that hard to believe)
Beneather (1 post, apparently reading the last few pages for the last 6 hours)
Barundar (1 post, claims to not be able to read the thread until tomorrow)
astroorion (1 posts, declares that he is indeed alive)
CubEdIn (2 posts)


Where are these people?



He has a reasonable activity level if you just look at the post count, but really he has said absolutely nothing. He says who we should vote for in a general sense, but avoids naming names. The one post that he does mention names in he basically just takes the top 4 most active players with no further explanation. He seems to be forcing himself to post when he doesn't actually have anything to say, so as to give the illusion of contribution.

##Vote: icemac

So by responding to posts, I'm up for lynch? I've said a lot: the current way we're analyzing data isn't optimal. I don't think we should be you using scant data on Day 1 such as you, yourself, are doing. The reason I'm not listing any names other than the inactives is because I have no reasoning against anyone. I don't think I'm forcing myself at all; instead, I'm making meaningful posts on how town should act on Day 1 which is lynching inactives and semi-actives trying to stay in the covers.
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 24 2011 06:20 GMT
#623
On February 24 2011 15:16 gryffindor wrote:
Coagulation, what are you mumbling about?
My massclaim is to ONE PERSON who will be CONFIRMED through night actions
That is how you play mafia as a town, you confirm a doctor or a vigilante through a protection or a kill. If it's a vigilante kill, it better be on mafia, or pre-called and you better hope the mafia don't skimp on killing power as opposed to previous nights, so the vigilante idea could be easily manipulated into submission. A protection, however, would give us a clear for a day.

Cross-referencing counterclaims is how we would be able to create lynch-pools, or at the least be able to hold people accountable for their night actions in PMs, as opposed to in the thread which would enable mafia to counteract us with their role reversal mechanic.

Just sayin'


HOST Suggested to avoid that kind of play. its just not safe.
not now at any rate.

gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 24 2011 06:20 GMT
#624
the HOST actually told me it was a good idea.
i got blisters on me fingers
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 24 2011 06:21 GMT
#625
QUOTE?
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 24 2011 06:21 GMT
#626
On February 10 2011 15:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Possible Boot Camp Information


Here is a small tip. If you can't tell by the set up. This game is designed so you fuckers have to learn to use PM's properly or get royally screwed. This game is ALSO designed to emphasize behavior analysis over EVERYTHING. This IS punishment for Salem Mafia.

gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 24 2011 06:22 GMT
#627
AT ANY RATE, it's how you properly play town in a whisper setup
you create a confirmation
you whisper them your claims
mafia will likely claim townie, we will probably have 1-3 of each power role
if we have like 5 trackers, though, who knows. It can happen if you have a certain mod.
i got blisters on me fingers
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 24 2011 06:22 GMT
#628
go read salem so you understand
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
February 24 2011 06:25 GMT
#629
DO NOT claim to anyone your role.
DO NOT think you can make a confirmed circle day 1
DO NOT rely on 'confirmed towniesm
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
February 24 2011 06:26 GMT
#630
On February 24 2011 15:25 LSB wrote:
DO NOT claim to anyone your role.
DO NOT think you can make a confirmed circle day 1
DO NOT rely on 'confirmed towniesm

seriously
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 24 2011 06:27 GMT
#631
On February 24 2011 15:21 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2011 15:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Possible Boot Camp Information


Here is a small tip. If you can't tell by the set up. This game is designed so you fuckers have to learn to use PM's properly or get royally screwed. This game is ALSO designed to emphasize behavior analysis over EVERYTHING. This IS punishment for Salem Mafia.


OK lets dissect that
game... made... use PMs

Ok, he made the game, and we can use PMs... It's not right to mass claim to someone who isn't confirmed, sure. That's what you're blindly saying, right?

Now, if someone is confirmed to have taken a hit in the night (mafia have been killing 2 people n1 and n2, and then they only kill 1) -> vet comes forward and claims to have been hit -> town claims to him -> profit

Now, I would only say N1 and N2 on this scenario, because mafia can choose to manipulate that. I would want to use this d3 at the earliest (if we haven't caught scum yet)... It's all just reactionary. Just because you make two barracks, doesn't mean you have to mass marines. You can end up floating one for scouting, or even make medics to blind observers. The point of my plan is that it is just a basic way to play this setup correctly, as opposed to people lashing out against it because they got played in one particular game... Salem mafia, was it? Well, I wasn't in that game.

I love people getting raised up about being outted in PMs. It's actually proper to withhold information. That's why you wait on a confirmation. Then, you PM them, so the mafia can't see what you're saying in the thread to use it against you. The above veteran scenario is actually bad. If you get a PM from the mod, as a doctor, saying you had a successful protection though.... bingo.

If a cop rolechecks someone, and sees they are a mad hatter, then there is confirmation

there are many ways to have confirmed people on d2, d3
We wait on them to claim

We can do this while having scumhunting cells. As long as you DONT ROLECLAIM in your cells, I don't see a problem in it.
i got blisters on me fingers
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 24 2011 06:28 GMT
#632
Anyway im wondering if anyone else thinks Gryff is playing scummy and i would like to see some townies possibly put a vote on him to see how he and town reacts.

Vote gryffindor
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 24 2011 06:30 GMT
#633
lol
i got blisters on me fingers
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
February 24 2011 06:31 GMT
#634
PMs are great for purposes other than trying to make some kind of ill fated town circle which is going to fail and loose the town the game.

For example, in PM gryffindor just defended Iceman/annul. When annul flips red this will prove very useful information.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
why
Profile Joined May 2009
United States215 Posts
February 24 2011 06:31 GMT
#635
On February 24 2011 15:18 icemac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 14:14 why wrote:
LSB, I cannot believe I just read an entire page of you and annul fighting again. Seriously there is no reason to get drawn into that again if you are town. And why are you voting for annul? You say that he is playing similarly to XXXV in that he is tunneling a player early. The (obvious) difference is that this game he isn't really pushing for GMarshal or chaoser's lynch like he did yours, he's just sort of putting their names out there. I feel like you are just voting for annul because you don't like him and not because you think he's mafia.

On February 24 2011 13:03 annul wrote:
##unvote

##vote gmarshal

better than chaoser atm


And annul, why are you voting for GMarshal again? If it's because you think his plan is scummy than you should lynch a large portion of town who like it. I certainly do.

In other news here is my current lynch pick: icemac

His relevant posts in spoilers -

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 24 2011 10:20 icemac wrote:
Seems like shit's hitting the wall pretty hard without any real leads so far. Since its too early, why not just get a semi-active who is probably smart enough to keep their heads in the game but not smart enough to post big as a mafia. I guess this is ironic coming from me seeing as how I've just got up to date & posting.


On February 24 2011 10:22 icemac wrote:
Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play.


On February 24 2011 10:39 icemac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 10:34 GMarshal wrote:
On February 24 2011 10:27 gryffindor wrote:
On February 24 2011 10:22 icemac wrote:
Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play.

Agree. Vote gmarshal with me, he is the one who had the.idea


ok, go for it, please kill one of the most active players, the one who actually proposed a plan that is an alternative to "lets let GFs fuck us over, like in salem",if town is stupid enough to go with your plan and your lynch then I hope they realize their mistake in time to hang you.

Let me be frank, I think you are town, but how absolutely terribly you are playing almost merits a lynch, ffs you can't even seem to point out a major flaw in my plan aside from "it not how this setup is played! I know because I am a mafia god!".

I guess this is your master plan for surviving, make mafia unwilling to hit you by helping them along.

You want to hang me? post a goddamn analysis I can at least rebuff rather than these unsupported accusations that are "GMarshal is scum, because I say so" major, major FoS on anyone who goes along with your bandwagon

Analysis doesn't mean shit Day 1. I don't see why you feel so compelled to pull stuff out of your ass and call it high level analysis.


On February 24 2011 10:41 icemac wrote:
I'm proposing we kill 0 of annul, GMarshal, gryffindor, chaoser and play it by ear afterwards.


On February 24 2011 12:12 icemac wrote:
Imo, we just need to get a vote out. With so many mafia on the floor, its trivial for them to just sweep something under the carpet.


On February 24 2011 12:22 icemac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 11:31 kitaman27 wrote:
Players to give evil glares to:

darmousseh (0 posts)
JBright (0 posts)
MaxwellE (0 posts, replacement)
ICanFlyLow (0 posts)
LSB (0 posts, claims to have a life outside the game, but I find that hard to believe)
Beneather (1 post, apparently reading the last few pages for the last 6 hours)
Barundar (1 post, claims to not be able to read the thread until tomorrow)
astroorion (1 posts, declares that he is indeed alive)
CubEdIn (2 posts)


Where are these people?



He has a reasonable activity level if you just look at the post count, but really he has said absolutely nothing. He says who we should vote for in a general sense, but avoids naming names. The one post that he does mention names in he basically just takes the top 4 most active players with no further explanation. He seems to be forcing himself to post when he doesn't actually have anything to say, so as to give the illusion of contribution.

##Vote: icemac

So by responding to posts, I'm up for lynch? I've said a lot: the current way we're analyzing data isn't optimal. I don't think we should be you using scant data on Day 1 such as you, yourself, are doing. The reason I'm not listing any names other than the inactives is because I have no reasoning against anyone. I don't think I'm forcing myself at all; instead, I'm making meaningful posts on how town should act on Day 1 which is lynching inactives and semi-actives trying to stay in the covers.


No, by responding to posts in meaningless ways, you are up for lynch. Basically you are saying we should go for a policy-lynch of some sort instead of going after someone we feel is mafia. Why wouldn't you go after mafia? Even if you want to lynch a semi-active you still have to choose which one which requires, you guessed it, analysis. Also, I was calling you out because you haven't mentioned one person you would lynch. General directives are ok, but only when you back them up with specific people you would lynch based on them. Then at least people can argue whether they fit the criteria you have laid out.

Also, can you clarify what you meant by this post:

On February 24 2011 10:41 icemac wrote:
I'm proposing we kill 0 of annul, GMarshal, gryffindor, chaoser and play it by ear afterwards.


I assumed the 0 was a typo for 1 because it makes much more sense as "I'm proposing we kill 1 of...".
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 24 2011 06:32 GMT
#636
On February 24 2011 15:31 LSB wrote:
PMs are great for purposes other than trying to make some kind of ill fated town circle which is going to fail and loose the town the game.

For example, in PM gryffindor just defended Iceman/annul. When annul flips red this will prove very useful information.

Are you kidding? I would lynch either one of them.
i got blisters on me fingers
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 24 2011 06:33 GMT
#637
why, he said 0, not 1
however, i would vote him BECAUSE of that.
i got blisters on me fingers
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
February 24 2011 06:36 GMT
#638
On February 24 2011 15:31 LSB wrote:
PMs are great for purposes other than trying to make some kind of ill fated town circle which is going to fail and loose the town the game.

For example, in PM gryffindor just defended Iceman/annul. When annul flips red this will prove very useful information.



what makes you so sure hes red again??
gryffindor
Profile Joined November 2009
United States524 Posts
February 24 2011 06:36 GMT
#639
On February 24 2011 15:31 LSB wrote:
PMs are great for purposes other than trying to make some kind of ill fated town circle which is going to fail and loose the town the game.

For example, in PM gryffindor just defended Iceman/annul. When annul flips red this will prove very useful information.

I could reference a particular game in which it lead to a lopsided town victory, and a game in which the town didn't create a circle whatsoever which was a convincing scum win. It's a case by case scenario. People don't have to believe in confirmation, but I know I will claim immediately when that time comes, except seriously this time.

Now, if you all want to lynch me, as some LAL(lynch all liars), go right ahead. Lose your best tactician.
i got blisters on me fingers
RLTY
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States965 Posts
February 24 2011 06:42 GMT
#640
On February 24 2011 15:31 why wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 15:18 icemac wrote:
On February 24 2011 14:14 why wrote:
LSB, I cannot believe I just read an entire page of you and annul fighting again. Seriously there is no reason to get drawn into that again if you are town. And why are you voting for annul? You say that he is playing similarly to XXXV in that he is tunneling a player early. The (obvious) difference is that this game he isn't really pushing for GMarshal or chaoser's lynch like he did yours, he's just sort of putting their names out there. I feel like you are just voting for annul because you don't like him and not because you think he's mafia.

On February 24 2011 13:03 annul wrote:
##unvote

##vote gmarshal

better than chaoser atm


And annul, why are you voting for GMarshal again? If it's because you think his plan is scummy than you should lynch a large portion of town who like it. I certainly do.

In other news here is my current lynch pick: icemac

His relevant posts in spoilers -

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 24 2011 10:20 icemac wrote:
Seems like shit's hitting the wall pretty hard without any real leads so far. Since its too early, why not just get a semi-active who is probably smart enough to keep their heads in the game but not smart enough to post big as a mafia. I guess this is ironic coming from me seeing as how I've just got up to date & posting.


On February 24 2011 10:22 icemac wrote:
Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play.


On February 24 2011 10:39 icemac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 10:34 GMarshal wrote:
On February 24 2011 10:27 gryffindor wrote:
On February 24 2011 10:22 icemac wrote:
Also, I just want to say that these cell things is either big balls move by mafia or the workings of bad play.

Agree. Vote gmarshal with me, he is the one who had the.idea


ok, go for it, please kill one of the most active players, the one who actually proposed a plan that is an alternative to "lets let GFs fuck us over, like in salem",if town is stupid enough to go with your plan and your lynch then I hope they realize their mistake in time to hang you.

Let me be frank, I think you are town, but how absolutely terribly you are playing almost merits a lynch, ffs you can't even seem to point out a major flaw in my plan aside from "it not how this setup is played! I know because I am a mafia god!".

I guess this is your master plan for surviving, make mafia unwilling to hit you by helping them along.

You want to hang me? post a goddamn analysis I can at least rebuff rather than these unsupported accusations that are "GMarshal is scum, because I say so" major, major FoS on anyone who goes along with your bandwagon

Analysis doesn't mean shit Day 1. I don't see why you feel so compelled to pull stuff out of your ass and call it high level analysis.


On February 24 2011 10:41 icemac wrote:
I'm proposing we kill 0 of annul, GMarshal, gryffindor, chaoser and play it by ear afterwards.


On February 24 2011 12:12 icemac wrote:
Imo, we just need to get a vote out. With so many mafia on the floor, its trivial for them to just sweep something under the carpet.


On February 24 2011 12:22 icemac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 11:31 kitaman27 wrote:
Players to give evil glares to:

darmousseh (0 posts)
JBright (0 posts)
MaxwellE (0 posts, replacement)
ICanFlyLow (0 posts)
LSB (0 posts, claims to have a life outside the game, but I find that hard to believe)
Beneather (1 post, apparently reading the last few pages for the last 6 hours)
Barundar (1 post, claims to not be able to read the thread until tomorrow)
astroorion (1 posts, declares that he is indeed alive)
CubEdIn (2 posts)


Where are these people?



He has a reasonable activity level if you just look at the post count, but really he has said absolutely nothing. He says who we should vote for in a general sense, but avoids naming names. The one post that he does mention names in he basically just takes the top 4 most active players with no further explanation. He seems to be forcing himself to post when he doesn't actually have anything to say, so as to give the illusion of contribution.

##Vote: icemac

So by responding to posts, I'm up for lynch? I've said a lot: the current way we're analyzing data isn't optimal. I don't think we should be you using scant data on Day 1 such as you, yourself, are doing. The reason I'm not listing any names other than the inactives is because I have no reasoning against anyone. I don't think I'm forcing myself at all; instead, I'm making meaningful posts on how town should act on Day 1 which is lynching inactives and semi-actives trying to stay in the covers.


No, by responding to posts in meaningless ways, you are up for lynch. Basically you are saying we should go for a policy-lynch of some sort instead of going after someone we feel is mafia. Why wouldn't you go after mafia? Even if you want to lynch a semi-active you still have to choose which one which requires, you guessed it, analysis. Also, I was calling you out because you haven't mentioned one person you would lynch. General directives are ok, but only when you back them up with specific people you would lynch based on them. Then at least people can argue whether they fit the criteria you have laid out.

Also, can you clarify what you meant by this post:

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 10:41 icemac wrote:
I'm proposing we kill 0 of annul, GMarshal, gryffindor, chaoser and play it by ear afterwards.


I assumed the 0 was a typo for 1 because it makes much more sense as "I'm proposing we kill 1 of...".

What I mean is that we shouldn't lynch any actives because they're at least contributing. We'll be able to see their alignment or slipups in the future via posts/ pms/ hit patterns/ lynch patterns/ etc. If it's really that important, then I say ICanFlyLow for not talking at all. First person in the list I found that wasn't talking at all.
##Vote: ICanFlyLow
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