EPTTL Mafia XXXVII - Page 34
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astroorion
United States1022 Posts
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
I've said before that I had suspicion about him but trying to pressure an inactive after what we breifly disscussed last night just pushes him over the edge and he is by far my biggest scum read. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On February 24 2011 21:25 astroorion wrote: ##Vote:annul Sup dood how's the bandwagon. Scumboi. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On February 24 2011 20:42 gryffindor wrote: Deconduo, do you see how a scum could propose a cell idea? Yes, anyone could propose it. However that doesn't mean its a bad idea or scummy idea. Its an interesting concept and opinions on it are divided. Should you lynch someone for proposing Hypocop? In some situations it is a good idea, in others its not. You have to at the whole picture; how do mafia benefit, how do town benefit, how does this balance out. As far as I see it, there is no disadvantage in clean cells. Promotes discussion, planning, scumhunting etc. In cells with one mafia, the mafia can either play along and act normally in which case we essentially have a clean cell where mafia know whats going on. If the mafia tries to influence the cell then he runs the risk of being caught out, especially with an inexperienced mafia. It also forces to mafia to discuss and give opinions instead of just passing by in the thread with the bare minimum of posting. In a 2 mafia 1 town cell, you have a townie that will probably be heavily influenced. This could be bad if its an inexperienced blue. However this is highly unlikely (hopefully). In addition, each one of these means an extra clean cell. 3 mafia cell - lawl Overall I feel its a good idea. At the very least it has caused a lot of discussion and debate which will help with scumhunting. I do FoS GMarshal but for other reasons, not for the cell idea. | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
1. 5. Jackal58 2. 17. astroorion 3. 1. Coagulation Cell 2, Cell leader: kitaman27+ Show Spoiler + 4. 19. Gofarman 5. 21. kitaman27 6. 12. icemac Cell 3, Cell leader: IDC, they're all competant+ Show Spoiler + 7. 6. Kenpachi 8. 2. LSB 9. 26. LunarDestiny Cell 4, Cell leader: Barundar+ Show Spoiler + 10. 30. LastArgument 11. 3. Barundar 12. 9. gryffindor Cell 5, Cell leader: deconduo+ Show Spoiler + 13. 16. ohN 14. 28. deconduo 15. 8. annul Cell 6, Cell leader: Foolishness+ Show Spoiler + 16. 18. Foolishness 17. 27. Ser Aspi 18. 22. kevconsim Cell 7, Cell leader: Seraph/Mr. Wiggles+ Show Spoiler + 19. 11. Beneather 20. 15. seRapH 21. 24. Mr. Wiggles Cell 8, Cell leader: OriginalName+ Show Spoiler + 22. 14. JBright 23. 23. ICanFlyLow 24. 13. OriginalName Cell 9, Cell leader: Chaoser+ Show Spoiler + 25. 7. darmousseh 26. 25. chaoser 27. 20. Conversion MaxwellE Cell 10, Cell leader: Cubedin+ Show Spoiler + 28. 4. CubEdIn 29. 29. why 30. 10. GMarshal Now, the "leader" to me is someone who needs to go out of their way to actually collaborate with the other people in their group. If you don't want to use my list of cells, and want to use GMarshal's, whatever. I have a good list I just made right here ready for us to use. Basically, the leaders need to go out of their way to make this work. I am fully confident in these peoples abilities to report what is going on within your cell, and to hold people accountable. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 24 2011 21:14 Barundar wrote: I might have come off wrongly, but I read your post as a response to mine. You post on alot of the same issues, yet very lightly touched on my case, and presented your own case. I might be worried too much about a diversion, in that case I apologise for jumping the gun. It's true that Jackal hasn't posted much, and that his first post is by far the substantive part of my argument. But that is beceause that was where he messed up. Mafia aren't going to be suspecious all the way, mafia can contribute or share when they feel it furthers their cause. But his first post set off all the alarms, it contains multiple apologies for not only time, also for "new players" in the game, and it promises more, that wasn't delivered. I think this is a way better case than random voting inactives, or the most active posters so far, that has gotten into a fight. But I'm not stopping you from doing your own scumhunting. Go ahead and push for me. You'll get a vanilla townie for your efforts. Your sole basis for my lynch is because my first post was more than a one liner and didn't include an FoS????? I haven't tunneled anybody so I'm scum??? Well you want some tunneling here you go. Scum don't like me. Over the course of the last 2 games I've nailed 5 scum in a row. My ability to persuade others is my downfall not my ability to shoot scum in a barrel. Why does Barundar and company want me to go? Because I scare them. They are terrified that if I call them out others may start to listen to me. So how do we keep this from happening they say? How do we prevent him from posting the entire scum team during the first night? We discredit him and lynch his ass on day one. That's how we avoid it they say. I can't wait to read your scum log after this game Barundar. I'll be flattered I received so much attention at the start. Barundar is scum. Gryffindor is a liar. And most certainly scum. GMarshall is most likely scum Deconduo a good probability Icemac a possibility. I'll be able to add or eliminate people from this as the day goes on but the first two on it are scum. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
I asked you to defend yourself, if you are town, and your response is a nice OMGUS? What about answering my analysis of your first post? It's not about tunneling, it's about your apologetic tone and lack of contribution. Yes I will push for you if I think you are scum, but you can convince me otherwise if you actually are town. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On February 24 2011 05:31 deconduo wrote: So your reasoning is: Two mafia might edit a PM and post it to gang up on a townie to get them lynched in a lylo situation so therefore don't do it at all ever. Anyone who does post a PM is scummy. This is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.... What is your logic behind telling people not to quote or post PMs? It honestly does not make any sense to me. It feels an irrational conclusion to jump to. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
That was by far the scummiest move gryf made all game. However for now my vote will stay the same as I wish to pressure Icemac heavily. | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:34 Barundar wrote: Yeah I'm terrified of you. If you really do flip green, how do you think that would make me look? I asked you to defend yourself, if you are town, and your response is a nice OMGUS? What about answering my analysis of your first post? It's not about tunneling, it's about your apologetic tone and lack of contribution. Yes I will push for you if I think you are scum, but you can convince me otherwise if you actually are town. My tone was more explanatory than apologetic. Next time I'll forgo the niceties. Seriously I'm scum because I said "sorry" My post is exactly what it is. Sorry I was bowling. Sorry I don't know a lot of these people so Imma gonna hold off for a bit til I get used to them. Sorry but I'm undecided on the PM circles. That makes me scum????? Bullpuckey. On February 24 2011 22:35 deconduo wrote: Jackal, you haven't clarified this: + Show Spoiler + On February 24 2011 05:31 deconduo wrote: So your reasoning is: Two mafia might edit a PM and post it to gang up on a townie to get them lynched in a lylo situation so therefore don't do it at all ever. Anyone who does post a PM is scummy. This is so flawed I don't even know where to begin.... What is your logic behind telling people not to quote or post PMs? It honestly does not make any sense to me. It feels an irrational conclusion to jump to. I did explain it. Go ahead and post PM content. Go ahead and get comfy with it. Go ahead and watch scum use that to destroy town at end game. I think it's a horrid idea. | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
Also, if I'm "most certain"ly scum, and you're the "most certain" about me, how come I'm 2nd on your list? Seems like a contradiction. I don't really care that you're voting for me, because I like that you're taking a definitive stance, as opposed to mulling over something halfheartedly - I was against the cells at first, too, when they I was concerned that they would encourage claiming The thing is, people will claim over time eventually anyways. It doesn't even matter how we go about this. People are either going to PM, or they're not. Noone can make you participate in your cell, but considering your latest posts, perhaps you should take the initiative and PM coagulation. I doubt you will, but it would be a good move for you being pro-town. The other member of the cell that I list randomized you into would be astroorion. I seriously considered your cell to be the weakest until you posted, and I am quite pleased that you seem competant, relatively speaking. I'm sad you suspect me, but whatever. I'll grow on ya. If Coagulation doesn't step up to the plate in your cell, you need to, because astroorion isn't going to (check the top of this page) | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 24 2011 22:48 gryffindor wrote: Is there a reason you're voting me? Also, if I'm "most certain"ly scum, and you're the "most certain" about me, how come I'm 2nd on your list? Seems like a contradiction. I don't really care that you're voting for me, because I like that you're taking a definitive stance, as opposed to mulling over something halfheartedly - I was against the cells at first, too, when they I was concerned that they would encourage claiming The thing is, people will claim over time eventually anyways. It doesn't even matter how we go about this. People are either going to PM, or they're not. Noone can make you participate in your cell, but considering your latest posts, perhaps you should take the initiative and PM coagulation. I doubt you will, but it would be a good move for you being pro-town. The other member of the cell that I list randomized you into would be astroorion. I seriously considered your cell to be the weakest until you posted, and I am quite pleased that you seem competant, relatively speaking. I'm sad you suspect me, but whatever. I'll grow on ya. If Coagulation doesn't step up to the plate in your cell, you need to, because astroorion isn't going to (check the top of this page) Because I think your are borderline insane and a confirmed liar. I don't know why there are votes on anybody else at this juncture. + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 12:46 gryffindor wrote: I'm a veteran claims to me On February 24 2011 15:20 gryffindor wrote: the HOST actually told me it was a good idea. On February 24 2011 16:38 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I said no such thing. Do not claim that a host said something he didn't. Seriously this isn't tolerated behavior. Unless you show me a PM from either Meapak or myself saying this you are getting a warning. PM me. | ||
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Gofarman
Canada646 Posts
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RLTY
United States965 Posts
On February 24 2011 21:26 OriginalName wrote: ##Vote Icemac I've said before that I had suspicion about him but trying to pressure an inactive after what we breifly disscussed last night just pushes him over the edge and he is by far my biggest scum read. How the heck am I red? Just because I'm smart enough to take a bipartisan approach to day 1 and not listen to over analysis and red-analysis doesn't mean I'm scum playing the middle of the road. Right now I'm pretty convinced you're either a baddie or straight up mafia. | ||
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RLTY
United States965 Posts
On February 24 2011 17:07 seRapH wrote: icemac that was possibly the easiest way to dodge taking sides. The dude's probably going to get replaced or modkilled anyways. Seriously, take a stance on someone. Most of my game since my 6666th post has been going on through PMs, but I guess that was selfish of me >_> ##Vote Icemac Things to take sides on: GM vs Gryff- Cell System Annul vs LSB- XXXV Personally I doubt either of annul or LSB are scum, this is just a grudgematch. Coag and Kenpachi are playing more pro-town than usual (or maybe its just less spam?) People I'm suspicious of: Jackal- Playing a lot more passively than he did as town Icemac- Stop dodging the issues at hand Gofarman- Proponent of lynching inactives. Voting annul. A few more I'm not too sure of, will follow up on their posts tomorrow when I'm awake. Maybe. How is your guys analysis based on fluff not taking a stance. Just cause I'm calling out your guys' bullshit analysis and not falling for that shit doesn't mean I'm red. | ||
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RLTY
United States965 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 23 2011 13:47 gryffindor wrote: This would get us raped by the role reverser, and is really a scummy idea unvote; ##Vote: GMarshal On February 23 2011 15:31 gryffindor wrote: Probably, but I'm still stuck on GMarshal's obviously scum-motivated plan On February 23 2011 17:26 gryffindor wrote: Easily. It leads to the sharing of information, which the mafia need in this setup to properly use their abilities of role reversing the town into submission, as opposed to straight up kill power. If they know you are a Veteran, they can make you a PGO We don't need cells, we have claiming If you want scumhunting, do it yourself On February 23 2011 23:42 gryffindor wrote: I'd also ask you to completely abandon any idea you have for "creating cells" when it is d1 in a large game in which we will get confirmed townies. On February 24 2011 20:42 gryffindor wrote: Deconduo, do you see how a scum could propose a cell idea? On February 24 2011 22:14 gryffindor wrote: Cell 1, Cell leader: Coagulation+ Show Spoiler + 1. 5. Jackal58 2. 17. astroorion 3. 1. Coagulation Cell 2, Cell leader: kitaman27+ Show Spoiler + 4. 19. Gofarman 5. 21. kitaman27 6. 12. icemac Cell 3, Cell leader: IDC, they're all competant+ Show Spoiler + 7. 6. Kenpachi 8. 2. LSB 9. 26. LunarDestiny Cell 4, Cell leader: Barundar+ Show Spoiler + 10. 30. LastArgument 11. 3. Barundar 12. 9. gryffindor Cell 5, Cell leader: deconduo+ Show Spoiler + 13. 16. ohN 14. 28. deconduo 15. 8. annul Cell 6, Cell leader: Foolishness+ Show Spoiler + 16. 18. Foolishness 17. 27. Ser Aspi 18. 22. kevconsim Cell 7, Cell leader: Seraph/Mr. Wiggles+ Show Spoiler + 19. 11. Beneather 20. 15. seRapH 21. 24. Mr. Wiggles Cell 8, Cell leader: OriginalName+ Show Spoiler + 22. 14. JBright 23. 23. ICanFlyLow 24. 13. OriginalName Cell 9, Cell leader: Chaoser+ Show Spoiler + 25. 7. darmousseh 26. 25. chaoser 27. 20. Conversion MaxwellE Cell 10, Cell leader: Cubedin+ Show Spoiler + 28. 4. CubEdIn 29. 29. why 30. 10. GMarshal Now, the "leader" to me is someone who needs to go out of their way to actually collaborate with the other people in their group. If you don't want to use my list of cells, and want to use GMarshal's, whatever. I have a good list I just made right here ready for us to use. Basically, the leaders need to go out of their way to make this work. I am fully confident in these peoples abilities to report what is going on within your cell, and to hold people accountable. You've got to be kidding me. You spend the first 24 hours attacking the plan, calling it scummy and building a case against GM and then the next day repost it with your own list of cells? All because you had an epiphany that the plan might no longer be so scummy afterall? The worst part of the plan was that GM picked which two people we should communicate with. The fact that you felt it necessary to revise the list with your own certainly concerns me. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On February 25 2011 00:07 icemac wrote: Also, I'm not jumping into this Jackal58 bandwagon because I'm not bad. Lynch me if you will. -You have claimed any analysis done on day 1 is useless -You are voting for someone who is going to get modkilled anyway, essentially wasting a lynch While voting/pressuring inactives is a good idea in principal, it does allow mafia to get away with an 'easy' lynch in some cases. For today there are much better lynches (annul...) imo. If you are going to go after inactives, why not people who were posting a lot pre-game and haven't done anything substantial since. Conversion gave us this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=16#320 and then disappeared. Chaoser seems to be lurking a fair bit (though he did say he was missing sleep) Coag: I haven't seen anything proper from him really apart from: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888¤tpage=31#614 But yet, you continue to just throw away your vote. On February 24 2011 22:41 Jackal58 wrote: I did explain it. Go ahead and post PM content. Go ahead and get comfy with it. Go ahead and watch scum use that to destroy town at end game. I think it's a horrid idea. I honestly 100% don't understand your logic. From what I can gather you are saying the following. In a lylo situation, 2 mafia 3 town say. Person A + B post PMs showing C is mafia. C denies it and says they are faked. Now according to you, i)If no PMs were posted previously, people A+B would be lynched. ii)If a couple of PMs had been posted previously, and people were 'comfy' with it, C would be lynched. How you managed to get here I have no clue whatsoever. There must be some huge step in logic that I'm missing as to what universe you think this would happen in. Gryff: + Show Spoiler + On February 24 2011 22:14 gryffindor wrote: Cell 1, Cell leader: Coagulation+ Show Spoiler + 1. 5. Jackal58 2. 17. astroorion 3. 1. Coagulation Cell 2, Cell leader: kitaman27+ Show Spoiler + 4. 19. Gofarman 5. 21. kitaman27 6. 12. icemac Cell 3, Cell leader: IDC, they're all competant+ Show Spoiler + 7. 6. Kenpachi 8. 2. LSB 9. 26. LunarDestiny Cell 4, Cell leader: Barundar+ Show Spoiler + 10. 30. LastArgument 11. 3. Barundar 12. 9. gryffindor Cell 5, Cell leader: deconduo+ Show Spoiler + 13. 16. ohN 14. 28. deconduo 15. 8. annul Cell 6, Cell leader: Foolishness+ Show Spoiler + 16. 18. Foolishness 17. 27. Ser Aspi 18. 22. kevconsim Cell 7, Cell leader: Seraph/Mr. Wiggles+ Show Spoiler + 19. 11. Beneather 20. 15. seRapH 21. 24. Mr. Wiggles Cell 8, Cell leader: OriginalName+ Show Spoiler + 22. 14. JBright 23. 23. ICanFlyLow 24. 13. OriginalName Cell 9, Cell leader: Chaoser+ Show Spoiler + 25. 7. darmousseh 26. 25. chaoser 27. 20. Conversion MaxwellE Cell 10, Cell leader: Cubedin+ Show Spoiler + 28. 4. CubEdIn 29. 29. why 30. 10. GMarshal Now, the "leader" to me is someone who needs to go out of their way to actually collaborate with the other people in their group. If you don't want to use my list of cells, and want to use GMarshal's, whatever. I have a good list I just made right here ready for us to use. Basically, the leaders need to go out of their way to make this work. I am fully confident in these peoples abilities to report what is going on within your cell, and to hold people accountable. WTF that was the scummiest part of GMarshal's plan (prearranging the cells) and you go out and repeat it? AFAIK there is no VI role in the game so I have no idea what you are doing. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
I'd like to know why I am the only one concerned about gryffindor and his lie. | ||
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