EPTIcemac wants everybody to lynch the easiest targets first (the inactives) to get a advantage. If that isnt a sign of being a mafia then i dont know what it is.
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KameZerg
Sweden1758 Posts
Icemac wants everybody to lynch the easiest targets first (the inactives) to get a advantage. If that isnt a sign of being a mafia then i dont know what it is. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
FoS on you, not for accepting the idea but for your hand picked cell list Allow me to point out a list that cannot be biased or affected by mafia, I posted it earlier, it consists of grouping players #1,2,3 into group 1, player 4,5,6 into group 2 etc. While it won't have the advantage of natural leaders and it dosn't guarantee we have experienced leaders in each cell it is guaranteed not to have hand picked scum teams in each. (Not that it would matter if they *did* but its better to always hinder scum's plans) | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 24 2011 23:31 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 23 2011 12:46 gryffindor wrote: I'm a veteran claims to me On February 24 2011 15:20 gryffindor wrote: the HOST actually told me it was a good idea. Actualy Jackal brings up a good point, dont we have a LaL policy in place? I'd hate to see it ignored just because jackal seems like a good lynch target, especially after gryffindors sudden change of heart | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Firstly, Annul: At present, annul is bad for town whether he's mafia or not...I mean there's not helping town and there's being detrimental to town. Making the thread into a heated mud slinging battle=not very good atmosphere to be catching red in. Promoting discussion is fine, promoting flaming is not. It just lets mafia blend in and take sides and have an easy way of "contributing to discussion". I know he can do better too, it's just a question of why isn't he i guess. I hate policy lynches but if it keeps going this way... I'm willing to have him as a fall back lynch if no one else comes up. That being said, icemac, what's up not analyzing? Whether it's "fluff" or not (I don't really think the topics people are discussing are fluff) there's a lot to talk about. You can talk about the situation in general (why did this convo pop up? if this is mafia talking why would they do this? etc. etc,) Or you can even explain why it's fluff. You kinda just say it's fluff and bounce. How the heck am I red? Just because I'm smart enough to take a bipartisan approach to day 1 and not listen to over analysis and red-analysis doesn't mean I'm scum playing the middle of the road. I actually use to play this way too cause I figured I needed more info before making a call, but making a call by itself is helpful for town. When we look back on past events, we can say, ah ha, this is where he stood in the situation, given what's happened so far, i think he's town/mafia/etc. It's like leaving a mark for all to see. As opposed to saying nothing about anything and then you don't leave ANY mark. How is town suppose to read you if you're just not leaving a mark? By thinking hmm why didn't he want to leave a mark...SCUMMM. See, not helpful at all. Gryffindor: I don't know if he lied or not. Maybe it was just a misunderstanding in PMs where he thought RoL/MK said something they didn't actually mean. Unless RoL says in thread he 100% lied, I'm going to read it as such. His list, I think, is just him giving into popular sentiment. I don't think it points to him as being red, more like he's seeing that it COULD be beneficial. Also, how is it that you can't correlate my idea with his cell idea? Just because we have cells scumhunting, doesn't mean we can't PM a confirmed on d2 or d3. I do not see how it is black vs white, when there is in fact a lot of room for gray area. This statement by him is pretty good, I agree that both can be combined if needed. Makes me think he's green cause he's willing to compromise instead of just toeing the line which is much easier to do as mafia than to reach across the aisle. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On February 25 2011 01:45 chaoser wrote: This statement by him is pretty good, I agree that both can be combined if needed. Makes me think he's green cause he's willing to compromise instead of just toeing the line which is much easier to do as mafia than to reach across the aisle. Actually I missed that part of gryffs post when reading it, fine then its not as abrupt a change as I thought, and I can understand the urge to put out a list to counter my original list, I'll retract my FoS on you gryff. I think you are probably town. Personalty I would never claim, to anyone, but people are free to do as they wish, and if you do get a working town circle out of it then more power to you. Now lets try to reach a consensus on a day 1 vote | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 25 2011 01:45 chaoser wrote: Gryffindor: I don't know if he lied or not. Maybe it was just a misunderstanding in PMs where he thought RoL/MK said something they didn't actually mean. Unless RoL says in thread he 100% lied, I'm going to read it as such. His list, I think, is just him giving into popular sentiment. I don't think it points to him as being red, more like he's seeing that it COULD be beneficial. Let's find out. I don't want to operate under a misconception any more than anybody else does. RoL was already quite clear on the issue. [green]Meapak - Did you have any discussion with Gryffindor that would allow him to make his claim regarding info from the host?[/green] | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On February 24 2011 19:14 CubEdIn wrote: Icemac, on the other hand, is a smurf, so I can't know what he's usually like, but I'm guessing that he played with us before, and that's why he's being overly aggressive in some instances. I don't think that makes him scum though, especially if he played in Mafia 36 and he's got an idea about what GM "should play like", and isn't. Wait, Icemac is a smurf? Doesn't look like it to me | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On February 24 2011 19:39 Jackal58 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 24 2011 18:33 Barundar wrote: Morning all, as promised I’ve read up and here is my contribution. As a fair warning it’s a wall of text, first is my general comments on the thread so far, last is my analysis. First off, goddammit GMarshal, leaking my top suspect. Can’t you hold it in for 1 night?  I wanted to see if he would actually post in the evening as he promised, but the weak FoS gave him a chance to defend himself before I got around to post. Well, at least it proved that Jackal58 has great reaction time, despite not talking much.My thoughts on the thread so far: GMarshals plan is a lot like what RoL has recommended for PM’s, pick out some random people from the list and start talking to them. While you can’t trust them, you get more to analyse, and it’s easier to catch a mafia slipping up if you have more opinions from them. Just be careful with experienced players, and treat your partners like they are scum. If I was on a scumteam, I would tell my inexperienced teammates to stay out of PM land. Gryffindor proposes a really silly (in lack of a better word) plan, there is no way of finding guaranteed innocents with GF and framer around, and even if one such could be found, all mafia has to do is gain his trust and make him spill, =dead blues. The only benefit of mass claim to a confirmed townie is the coordination of medic protection and DT checks. It won’t magicly find mafia amongst the non claimers, or identify fake claims. What gryffindor does do is post a lot, he promotes activity, and he is actually scumhunting. I don’t give much for his lists, but so far his impact has been positive on the town, as long as people don’t stop thinking for themselves. Regarding annul, you should keep in mind that he opposed GMarshals plan before he (allegedly) got his role PM. Hence I would be very careful with lynching him just for opposing that alone. Other than that agree with Foolishness’ comment, it would be funny if LSB got revenge on annul. Why has a decent case on icemac, but not certain if icemac is aggressive townie or mafia. Analysis of Jackal58 This post is COMPLETELY out of the ordinary for Jackal. Jackal’s playstyle as town consist of independent opinions, with a tendency to tunnel. His posting style is stubborn and humorous. He rarely posts long posts, and in general just give short statements, but often posts a lot. When he finds scum, he will make it clear for everyone, state his reasons, and keep up pressure on the person. Being stubborn he is very difficult to convince otherwise, once he has found his target(s). In the above post he differs from his usual play as town in a number of ways. First of all he gives multiple excuses as to his posting straight away. This is unlike his other games, even in his first game in mafia xxxv he didn’t feel the need to excuse his inexperience without being called out for it. As I said above, Jackal is an independent player, he doesn’t care much if people accuse him, town yells at him or if the things he sais comes off in the wrong way. Him apologising like this upfront, without anyone even calling him out is unusual. If you a read Ver’s guide to improving at mafia, it’s not natural for a green mindset to apologise and appear useless, since it will make other players pay less attention to what they have to say. It is however entirely within the mindset of a mafia, who just want to make a post noone cares about, and let the town fight with itself instead. He apologies for posting less, but in normal games his many first posts are just one liners, this one is a lengthy one for him. By sheer size it should be an improvement for him, but what does it really contain? His thoughts are thoroughly undecided. Why even comment then? If this is the reason he felt the need to add to the conversation, then I sincerely expected more. Jackal as town has very strong opinions, and this is just neutral mentioning – he doesn’t improve the plan, he just questions it. Posting without contributing. A weak FoS with a relevant question. On one hand it is sort of an opinion, on the other hand it has been posted before. In Guts and Glory he simply quoted Amber[light]’s post and commented “this post ems of scummyness”. Weak FoS isn’t typical Jackal, even if I wouldn’t rule it out. It’s not much to warrant a post like that from him though. He promises to post more in the evening. I was holding this analysis back to see if he actually would. As I said in the beginning, this got ruined, but he didn’t post until he got mentioned, and it still proved his reaction time was good. Note that Jackal has been posting from work in his other games, and it hasn’t stopped him from being active. Other suspicious post: Sharp reaction to getting PM’ed. Jackal had no problem PM’ing with me in mafia xxxv. ##Vote Jackal58 Actually my style is identical to every other game I've played. Not one of them has me aggressively tunneling anybody in the first day or two. I don't do that until I get a line on somebody. I'm going to have too agree with Jacakl here, Barundar you are reading too much in one post. Sure, it might be useful in RL mafia trying to pick off tells on how people are phrasing things, but in online mafia, it's a whole different game. For example, my first post was apologizing that I wouldn't be active, and I'm town. It's not like that apologizing is necessarily a bad thing. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:08 LSB wrote: I'm going to have too agree with Jacakl here, Barundar you are reading too much in one post. Sure, it might be useful in RL mafia trying to pick off tells on how people are phrasing things, but in online mafia, it's a whole different game. For example, my first post was apologizing that I wouldn't be active, and I'm town. It's not like that apologizing is necessarily a bad thing. Perhaps I am reading too much into one post. But he isn't doing much to prove me wrong. He puts a nice OMGUS on me, states that I'm part of a scumteam, and then does nothing to scumhunt against me or point out why I would be mafia. He is acting inconsistent with his own scumlist. Problem isn't that he excused himself. Problem is he held an apologetic tone without contributing much. It makes his post suspecious, and I find it interesting that you don't think it is the least suspecious. Now he has shown some agression that can be hard to fake, and is quite typical for him. But he is by no means clear of suspecion just beceause he posts an OMGUS list. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:25 Barundar wrote: Perhaps I am reading too much into one post. But he isn't doing much to prove me wrong. He puts a nice OMGUS on me, states that I'm part of a scumteam, and then does nothing to scumhunt against me or point out why I would be mafia. He is acting inconsistent with his own scumlist. Problem isn't that he excused himself. Problem is he held an apologetic tone without contributing much. It makes his post suspecious, and I find it interesting that you don't think it is the least suspecious. Now he has shown some agression that can be hard to fake, and is quite typical for him. But he is by no means clear of suspecion just beceause he posts an OMGUS list. Pardon me for apologizing for being late to the party. Well you apparently wanted me to tunnel somebody and you were convenient. Gryffindor is a confirmed liar. Lynch him. His credibility is destroyed. Even if he is town he is a liability to town. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:54 chaoser wrote: let's let him explain first When your parents caught you lying what was the first thing you did? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 25 2011 03:59 Jackal58 wrote: When your parents caught you lying what was the first thing you did? Get mad nervous and make up a bullshit story? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On February 25 2011 04:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: The discussion of gryffindor ends here. It will be handled through PM's. Do not talk about it anymore. We can't lynch him????? | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
I guess that goes undetected. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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