If you have criticism, you need to address the content, not the hosts. Idra and Artosis are 2 (1.5) Zerg players, but you can't point that out and then blanket them as biased. Respond to the content.

You can't tell them to "get 2 Terran and Protoss players". That's fucking obtuse advice. "Yo just get 4 more high level players to record with you." Yes, I think everyone sees the value in getting it, but it's not practical.

Respond to the content and use evidence / logic to back up your claims.

Tuthur

France985 Posts

February 03 2011 01:49 GMT

#141

Oh, Artosis, you totally didn't need to do this, but you did it! Thanks a lot, and even if I'm not the biggest IdrA fan, props to him for bringing more value to the show.

Salv

Canada3083 Posts

February 03 2011 01:51 GMT

#142

Good video. You have to take it with a grain of salt, but they bring up legitimate points. I think it would've done a lot for them had they talked about their own race first to not make it look like the show is, "Why Zerg is hard", which is how some people are perceiving it.

lilky

United States131 Posts

February 03 2011 01:51 GMT

#143

idra probly sucked some d*ck to be on this show.

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GuiltyJerk

United States584 Posts

February 03 2011 01:51 GMT

#144

Any chance of you guys posting an audio only version of this on iTunes?

Nobu

Spain550 Posts

February 03 2011 01:52 GMT

#145

once again, superb job artosis! i dont use youtube but definetly im making an account just to subscribe to your channel, the hard work you are doing for the community is priceless, thx once again!

Fanatic-Templar

Canada5818 Posts

February 03 2011 01:53 GMT

#146

Man, I still remember these two trying to convince people that Protoss, the least successful race in Brood War, was imbalanced.

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Bobster

Germany3075 Posts

February 03 2011 01:53 GMT

#147

Great stuff. Two of the best and most outspoken analysts in the scene right now, imo.

You guys can continue to whine about people talking about balance one way or the other while I'll patiently listen to their insight and try to take some useful info and understanding of the game away from it.

Good idea and good job you two.

billyX333

United States1360 Posts

February 03 2011 01:54 GMT

#148

Ironic that he says this show isnt for inflated egos in the introduction as he is sitting down with the super ego idra?

MrthePig

United States84 Posts

February 03 2011 01:55 GMT

#149

oh boy here we go

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Seraphic

United States3849 Posts

February 03 2011 01:55 GMT

#150

honestly? In most of every match up Protoss has. In SC2, it's all about the Colossus, Protoss has no other unit that is always needed in every match up. You nerf the Colossus, then you damn better buff all there other units because pure Gateway Units will get you no where in the late game. Immortals are great yes but they have a weak spot. Heavy Immortals will die to mass Zerg swarm eventually, costing so much it's hard to get them in big numbers. 4x cost to lings who massacre Immortals.

Any smart Zerg can get pass pure Gateway units, Terran will have NO problem dealing with them either.

Without Colossus, Protoss will have basically nothing but Gateway Units.

Darthozzan

Sweden136 Posts

February 03 2011 01:56 GMT

#151

Wow, this thread consists 90% of people who haven't even watched the video and are just bashing Artosis and IdrA to bash them. What the fuck guys? I think it is a really interesting show, and I am personally absolutely looking forward to the next segment.

I thought teamliquid.net was better than this. Let's be better than this.

Bobster

Germany3075 Posts

February 03 2011 01:56 GMT

#152

Oh also, great job with the production values. Can barely see the sophisticated green screen technology, making it look like it's just two regular guys sitting next to each other on a couch somewhere in Asia.

StarcraftMan

Canada507 Posts

February 03 2011 01:56 GMT

#153

On February 03 2011 10:33 GhettoSheep wrote:
LOL, of course Idra and Artosis would make a show called imbalanced. 30 minutes about how zerg is underpowered.

All j/k aside these really are like, the two most biased and proactive QQers of all starcraft players. I really like idra and artosis, and I like the concept of the show, but it would just be so much more credible and interesting if it weren't these two zerg players. Get a terran and a protoss in there to balance out the discussion. Maybe they'll even have some good advice for people who have trouble with some "imbalanced" strats. That would be way more awesome than just QQ for 30 minutes

Exactly. This show lacks credibility without proper representation from Terran and Protoss.

Godzilla

Canada23 Posts

February 03 2011 01:56 GMT

#154

lol this is awesome, idra looks so.......unnatural

Treadmill

Canada2833 Posts

February 03 2011 01:57 GMT

#155

Thanks IdrA and Artosis! And please, ignore all the people talking about how you guys are whining or something. They obviously haven't actually watched the video. I was surprised, personally, at how fair-minded you came across as.

ckunkel1

United States181 Posts

February 03 2011 01:58 GMT

#156

Wonder when zerg imbalance will come up?

iEchoic

United States1776 Posts

February 03 2011 01:59 GMT

#157

We all know that 2armor 1supply roach was overpowered. We all know that 5rax reaper was overpowered (well, it was before the roach range buff, it would be debatable afterward but they changed at the same time). They acknowledged the roach thing on the show.

We all know that idra and artosis vocally complained about the balance of 5rax reaper. Now, can anyone find any of their posts saying 2armor roaches need to be nerfed? Because if not, it really kind of shows that they're just looking to further their own interests instead of create a balanced game.

JoeSchmoe

Canada2058 Posts

February 03 2011 01:59 GMT

#158

Watched the intro. I'm not convinced by the arguments at all.

You have 2 zergs commenting about balance in ALL the matchups and unsurprisingly it turns out colossus is overpowered in PvZ. Big surprise.

This show needs 3 hosts:

1 zerg
1 protoss
1 terran

not

2 zergs

Darpa

Canada4413 Posts

February 03 2011 02:00 GMT

#159

I feel like these shows will be alot of zerg problems. I really hope they look at all perspectives and various matchups instead of just whats imbalanced for zergs. Which is what seems the show is about so far 80% pvz 20% PvP

I had some hope when they were talking about the colossus and then they said "lets put pvt on the side burner".

Heres to hoping.

emythrel

United Kingdom2599 Posts

February 03 2011 02:00 GMT

#160

awesome show, informative and funny. Unfortunately i forsee some flack coming Artosis and Idra's way when they address the Marine..... no matter which way they fall on the subject, imbalanced or not, there will be people screaming "wtf you pro's don't know shit, I am plat and know more than you"

While ofc the marine might be very powerful and especially so the lower level you go, like all things in SC2...... the balance has to be for the pro's and not for us Joe's.

Keep up the good work!