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If you have criticism, you need to address the content, not the hosts. Idra and Artosis are 2 (1.5) Zerg players, but you can't point that out and then blanket them as biased. Respond to the content.

You can't tell them to "get 2 Terran and Protoss players". That's fucking obtuse advice. "Yo just get 4 more high level players to record with you." Yes, I think everyone sees the value in getting it, but it's not practical.

Respond to the content and use evidence / logic to back up your claims.
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 21:29:05
February 03 2011 00:44 GMT
#1
On February 04 2011 05:50 Chill wrote:
Okay, reopened.

If you have criticism, you need to address the content, not the hosts. Idra and Artosis are 2 (1.5) Zerg players, but you can't point that out and then blanket them as biased. Respond to the content.

You can't tell them to "get 2 Terran and Protoss players". That's fucking obtuse advice. "Yo just get 4 more high level players to record with you." Yes, I think everyone sees the value in getting it, but it's not practical.

Respond to the content and use evidence / logic to back up your claims.


Introducing a new show....a show about Imbalance! IdrA and Artosis will be your hosts. This week we will introduce the show, what imbalance is, and what we plan to do. We will also start tackling the Colossus: is it imbalanced?

IMBALANCED! - EP 01 - Introduction


Discuss!
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CASLsoju
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 00:45:36
February 03 2011 00:45 GMT
#2
Fuck yeah. Artosis is a boss, I am eager to see more of this.
Phanekim
Profile Joined April 2003
United States777 Posts
February 03 2011 00:45 GMT
#3
lol .

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Klamity
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States994 Posts
February 03 2011 00:45 GMT
#4
IdrA commenting on balance... oh boy. This should be the beginning of something awesome. Nerds will forever cite this video in their balance arguments.
Don't believe in yourself, believe in me, who believes in you.
Scrimpton
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom465 Posts
February 03 2011 00:45 GMT
#5
oh my goodness.

:D:D::D
Protoss is the only race with "pro" in it
kodas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States418 Posts
February 03 2011 00:45 GMT
#6
A zerg/protoss and a zerg talking about balance...I can see where this is going
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OmniscientSC2
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States713 Posts
February 03 2011 00:45 GMT
#7
Day9 is going to die from a heart attack D:
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DarKcS
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1237 Posts
February 03 2011 00:45 GMT
#8
howbout terran : is it imbalanced? LOL.

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Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
February 03 2011 00:45 GMT
#9
First thoughts before watching: lol.

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=O
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
February 03 2011 00:46 GMT
#10
genuine curiosity here, is this meant to be an entertainment type of show or a "lets get down to business and talk serious" kind of show.
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
February 03 2011 00:46 GMT
#11
Wow, 30 minutes. I look forward to watching it, thanks Artosis!

How eager was IdrA to do this show?
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
February 03 2011 00:47 GMT
#12
Artosis and IdrA on a show about balance. Of course. Still, they're both smart players so I trust them to make it interesting and reasonable.
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
February 03 2011 00:48 GMT
#13
not so much a fan of imbalance discussions, but i will for sure watch it. everything from you Artosis or IdrA is appreciated. thanks!
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 00:53:58
February 03 2011 00:49 GMT
#14
While I respect Artosis/Idra as players, when they talk about imbalances, it causes a major shitstorm for the whole non-korean/TL community afterwards.

Basically, everyone takes what they say like its the bible, and we have to put up with it for the next 3-4 months until smart korean players figure out its not that bad.

So, im not really looking forward to the aftermath of this.. I can expect another 50+ people in ladder saying "You only won because im zerg and zerg blows" after I beat them for the next 2 weeks. I will also mention I play random too, and ive played about 50 zerg games at 2800+ diamond (before masters came out) and I had no issues other than my own mistakes. Its hard, sure, but its not unwinnable like people try to proclaim it is.

If people would just spend more time analyzing replays and understanding why they lost, instead of instantly saying the "I" word or proclaiming something is OVERPOWERED.. we would all be better off.. Clearly, in the GSL we have a nice distribution of all 3 races, every matchup is winnable, theres no insta-win like in certain periods of BW and WC3 had in the past.. No one should use imbalance as the blame of their losses at this stage in the game. The whole conversation just stirs up unnecessary controversy really, let blizzard do their job and if something is truely bad, they will fix it.
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Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
February 03 2011 00:49 GMT
#15
Interesting... Will tune in.
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Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
February 03 2011 00:49 GMT
#16
nice video - next time put your teleprompter/infosign a little more near your camera so you both dont have to look to the bottom corner all the time - ok now im continuing to watch
This signature is ruining eSports - -Twitter: @SpecialEndrey
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
February 03 2011 00:50 GMT
#17
screw you, i wanted to go to bed... they already delayed it one time with that boxer documentary
now i have to watch this!
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Scrimpton
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom465 Posts
February 03 2011 00:50 GMT
#18
Every non Zerg who "lols" at IdrA or any Zerg talking about imbalance should actually try playing zerg at a somewhat high level.

The counter for relatively simple executed things is often a much much much more complicated set of responses that require more multi tasking to defend than to execute. On top of that you get the drone/unit larvae decisions AND injects + creep that lose you the game if you dont keep on top of.

Never saw a terran lose because his mule was 10 seconds late.

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Protoss is the only race with "pro" in it
AtrumX
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17 Posts
February 03 2011 00:50 GMT
#19
= win.

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jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-03 01:16:26
February 03 2011 00:51 GMT
#20
@scrimpton I agree with you I started as a zerg then went terran and now play toss goto high diamond with all races and zerg is by far the hardest terran the easiest. Ask any random player i assume they would agree.

Watched It and its different then what I expected it was more of a strategy discussion. Like looking threw a window into what these guys talk about on a normal day basis it wasn't your normal BLAH BLAH this is unfair.

It was more of a hey this strategy is really hard to play against lets talk about how we could beat it, as of now.

I feel if you guys played Terran the show would be called balanced.
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