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If you have criticism, you need to address the content, not the hosts. Idra and Artosis are 2 (1.5) Zerg players, but you can't point that out and then blanket them as biased. Respond to the content.
You can't tell them to "get 2 Terran and Protoss players". That's fucking obtuse advice. "Yo just get 4 more high level players to record with you." Yes, I think everyone sees the value in getting it, but it's not practical.
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On December 09 2011 02:57 worldsnap wrote:
lol who gives a shit if he's korean, it's a "foreign-scene" event. don't make this about player ethnicity.
I do care. I follow the SC2 scene and guess what... First off all I root for some Polish players - the best of them (Mana and Nerchio) play toss and zerg.
Then there is the foreign western scene, where most successful would be Huk, Naniwa, Idra and Stephano... all toss and zerg.
I'd really like to see a non-Korean terran win something for a change.
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I thought this type of post was banned in TL. Normally you see posts like this in the Blizzard forums. To say that something has no counters is just grossly wrong.
-_- I didn't see you few posts back when ghosts had no counters ... So I'll interpret this as "I thought whining that doesn't come from a zerg was banned in TL". Which might be correct, dunno ...
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On December 09 2011 03:07 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 02:57 worldsnap wrote:
lol who gives a shit if he's korean, it's a "foreign-scene" event. don't make this about player ethnicity. I do care. I follow the SC2 scene and guess what... First off all I root for some Polish players - the best of them (Mana and Nerchio) play toss and zerg. Then there is the foreign western scene, where most successful would be Huk, Naniwa, Idra and Stephano... all toss and zerg. I'd really like to see a non-Korean terran win something for a change.
DeMuslim will provide, mark my words.
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On December 09 2011 03:00 INFDexter wrote:Show nested quote +
Well terran has the least win% and zerg has the highest so I guess the real question is, what does zerg tell themselves to make themselves sleep at night? :D Mutas are grossly OP in PvZ and infestor blord has no counter in TvZ xD I guess they don't sleep at all, no excuse gets u out of this one ;D Just watch leenock vs naniwa finals lol. how does leenock sleep after that? :O
I thought this type of post was banned in TL. Normally you see posts like this in the Blizzard forums. To say that something has no counters is just grossly wrong.
Yeah. I mean, it's not like half the posts here states ghost has no counter. It's not like I'm just ripping on them for making such stupid statements. No way.
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On December 09 2011 03:07 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 02:57 worldsnap wrote:
lol who gives a shit if he's korean, it's a "foreign-scene" event. don't make this about player ethnicity. I do care. I follow the SC2 scene and guess what... First off all I root for some Polish players - the best of them (Mana and Nerchio) play toss and zerg. Then there is the foreign western scene, where most successful would be Huk, Naniwa, Idra and Stephano... all toss and zerg. I'd really like to see a non-Korean terran win something for a change.
Thorzain!
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Typical anti terran comment INFDexter  Funny how ppl find a Zerg whine about Terran "epic","funny"... and think that a Terran whining should be banned... 
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On December 09 2011 03:20 Sea_aeS wrote:Typical anti terran comment INFDexter Funny how ppl find a Zerg whine about Terran "epic","funny"... and think that a Terran whining should be banned...
All whining should be banned. No one wants to hear it.
On-topic: I think it would be cool if Artosis and IdrA put together a couple more episodes. Obviously the game has changed a lot since the last show, and they have a lot of new stuff they could talk about, especially now that Artosis comes from mostly a Protoss point of view.
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On December 09 2011 02:54 scypio wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 02:47 farvacola wrote:On December 09 2011 02:42 Bagi wrote:
Sorry to interrupt your circlejerk, but could you please point out where the oh-so imbalanced ghost dominance shows up?
In the foreign scene where terran hasn't won a tournament in god knows how long?
In Korea where terran players abuse the shit out of early game timings, and we see ghosts in maybe 1 game out of 5? Ummm, perhaps your foreigner scene reference is a hidden jab at the NASL, but Puma did just win a major tournament, and it was only last week! Puma is Korean. Just look here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournamentsand find non-Korean terrans that managed to get a win in one of the most prestigious tournaments... well... last big Terran achievement is Thorzain winning TSL3 in March 2011. Terran players apparently suck.
fixed that for you
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On December 09 2011 04:07 cavalier117 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 02:54 scypio wrote:On December 09 2011 02:47 farvacola wrote:On December 09 2011 02:42 Bagi wrote:
Sorry to interrupt your circlejerk, but could you please point out where the oh-so imbalanced ghost dominance shows up?
In the foreign scene where terran hasn't won a tournament in god knows how long?
In Korea where terran players abuse the shit out of early game timings, and we see ghosts in maybe 1 game out of 5? Ummm, perhaps your foreigner scene reference is a hidden jab at the NASL, but Puma did just win a major tournament, and it was only last week! Puma is Korean. Just look here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournamentsand find non-Korean terrans that managed to get a win in one of the most prestigious tournaments... well... last big Terran achievement is Thorzain winning TSL3 in March 2011. Terran players apparently suck. fixed that for you
funny, because when everyone was saying protoss players sucked, before all the nerfs to terran and buffs to protoss, protoss would get mad really fast
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Reading most of the posts in this thread will give you brain cancer. Please stop complaining; no one wants to hear it, and you're probably wrong. As for things I'd like to see covered on the show (as a discussion, not that I believe strongly one way or the other of their balance)...
Terran:
Ghosts. EMP got a nerf which seems to help a lot versus protoss, but lategame ZvT on a map that yeilds itself to a split seems to always go to the terran if he has a few tanks and a handful of ghosts.
Protoss:
Warp Prism. The increased health leads to some wierd situations versus zerg where a prism can brute force its way into a zergs base because queens damage can't really do anything to it.
Mothership Vortex: It's getting removed, so not to much discussion to be had, but one spell pretty much kills a max zerg army
Zerg:
Broodlord Infestor: Obviously really strong. We've seen some new ways to combat this comp, but it remains one of the strongest armies in the game.
Mass Mutas versus Protoss: Obviously really strong. Blizzard is adding a unit that pretty much makes it impossible to go mass muta; what would you suggest as an alternative that doesn't completely nullify the strategy?
General Topics:
Gold Minerals: Some leagues are taking gold's out of the game, I would like to hear a discussion about gold bases and their effect on protoss, terran and zerg and if the removal of them is a needed solution
Map Architecture: I would love to hear a discussion on the features of a map that make it imbalanced toward one race or the other; maps that have a rediculous win percentage for one race (xel'naga for terran, scrap for zerg) to architectures that are a huge hinderance to one race (short rush distances vs zerg, etc)
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Interesting video, good potential for a series because I like to hear the pro's perspective on the balance of the game in their opinion. Hope to see more vids, but it seems they are effected by the backlash of men on their computers. If they can establish a live stream or youtube or something like monthly I can see it doing well in the long time money-wise.. I'd would do it for money.. but i guess they would rather do it for passion.
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As a mainly Terran player I'd like to see the following discussed on show (if it ever returns):
Stim - I believe the magnitude of the movement speed increase is what makes Marines too strong against nearly everything.
Medivacs being able to transport Mech units - blue flame drops, tank cliff play, lifting/dropping mech in combat to f*** with targetting.
Mules: I think they enable the Terran player to make many more mistakes than Zerg and Protoss, and allow them to come back in games that they would otherwise lose.
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On December 09 2011 06:11 Mylkyjo wrote:
As a mainly Terran player I'd like to see the following discussed on show (if it ever returns):
Stim - I believe the magnitude of the movement speed increase is what makes Marines too strong against nearly everything.
Medivacs being able to transport Mech units - blue flame drops, tank cliff play, lifting/dropping mech in combat to f*** with targetting.
Mules: I think they enable the Terran player to make many more mistakes than Zerg and Protoss, and allow them to come back in games that they would otherwise lose.
I'm thinking you're not mainly a terran player otherwise you would understand exactly why we need those things.... how is transporting mech any different than the other races? A warp prism can carry a colossus and zerg can either OL drop or move their ENTIRE army in a base with a well place nydus network. I think that protoss actually has it the easiest as they can carry in 4 zealots or stalkers AND warp in more after they finish the warp gate research. And thats all from one single prism.
And the mule thing has been beat to death. If you want to remove gold mins, thats fine but terran still need those mules becuase of the mass drone production for zerg and chrono boost for toss....
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On December 09 2011 06:11 Mylkyjo wrote:
As a mainly Terran player I'd like to see the following discussed on show (if it ever returns):
Stim - I believe the magnitude of the movement speed increase is what makes Marines too strong against nearly everything.
Medivacs being able to transport Mech units - blue flame drops, tank cliff play, lifting/dropping mech in combat to f*** with targetting.
Mules: I think they enable the Terran player to make many more mistakes than Zerg and Protoss, and allow them to come back in games that they would otherwise lose.
yeah. You definetly don't play terran
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I am scanning the SC2 forums now and see a tremendous difference in quality from the threads before. GJ TL.
This thread makes me feel nostalgic about those happy days when we can just have fun without serious implications.
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