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If you have criticism, you need to address the content, not the hosts. Idra and Artosis are 2 (1.5) Zerg players, but you can't point that out and then blanket them as biased. Respond to the content. You can't tell them to "get 2 Terran and Protoss players". That's fucking obtuse advice. "Yo just get 4 more high level players to record with you." Yes, I think everyone sees the value in getting it, but it's not practical. Respond to the content and use evidence / logic to back up your claims. | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:31 Twistacles wrote: First thoughts: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4202830/So-it-begins-the-great-shitstorm-of-our-time.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=White-Gandalf) After listening to this for a while... I still think so  Yeah, but just because people are too fucking stupid to think for like one moment about it. They kept it all pretty neutral and unbiased, there really is no problem with it... | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:32 KevinIX wrote: I've been watching Trump's stream lately, and he has a very solid Thor build that works quite well against collosi. I'm no pro, so I won't talk about balance, but I've been working it into my TvP and having success. I think Thor could be the future of TvP. 250mm crush small numbers of immortals, and late game, a banshee transition into marine/thor/banshee composition helps deal with heavy immortal composition. I'm not even saying colossus/pheonix is unbeatable, I'm just wondering why they would have a 5 second discussion on colossus in TvP and don't even bring up the entire thing that makes colossus powerful, the pheonix/colossus composition. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:34 Kraznaya wrote: This sounds like a really, really, really, terrible idea. Idra of course only notices weakness with his own race (anyone remember making carriers being a good skill toi have?) and anyone only needs to listen to Artosis for about five minutes when he's casting to notice how biased he can be, especially with zerg. This is just a bad echo chamber which will be embraced by shitty zerg players who think they've never lost a game in their life due to them being outclassed. Why not bring in some additional perspectives like Jinro, or HuK? I know TL and EG/MYM aren't on the best of terms but a Zerg echo chamber is the last thing we need. I mean, we already have the teamliquid forums if we wanted that. Ugh, last post of page  User was warned for this post | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:35 iEchoic wrote: I'm not even saying colossus/pheonix is unbeatable, I'm just wondering why they would have a 5 second discussion on colossus in TvP and don't even bring up the entire thing that makes colossus powerful, the pheonix/colossus composition. Pretty legit point, I think every Terran was thinking it lol. | ||
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SilverPotato
United States560 Posts
This can only mean good things. | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:35 iEchoic wrote: I'm not even saying colossus/pheonix is unbeatable, I'm just wondering why they would have a 5 second discussion on colossus in TvP and don't even bring up the entire thing that makes colossus powerful, the pheonix/colossus composition. Well, they play Zerg, they wouldn't even know where to begin with TvP discussion, so I'm glad they kept away from it. (Yes I know Artosis dabbles with Protoss but he hasn't done anything of note with it, so who cares) | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
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hadoken5
Canada519 Posts
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Scrimpton
United Kingdom465 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:13 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: players get flamed for balance complaints because they all whine subjectively about the race they play themselves, therefor it's hard to take it serious. maybe if artosis and idra started saying zerg is overpowered that would be cool. seems like a bad post to make. People are subjective, but other than top level Players with long arching careers in starcraft, who can discuss balance? No race/issue should be untouchable in the arena of discussion, and im sure if zerg were "op" we'd see a lot more about it. Why would it be cool for IdrA/Artosis to lie about Zerg being overpowered anyway?.. it's as if somebody else just randomly found out your password and shitposted. Especially considering the CONTENT of the video was presented in a largely unbiased intelligent manner. | ||
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Mr. Nefarious
United States515 Posts
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:35 FliedLice wrote: Yeah, but just because people are too fucking stupid to think for like one moment about it. They kept it all pretty neutral and unbiased, there really is no problem with it... They weren't necessarily biased, but it would be a lot better with the other races having an input. There would be more discussion because rather than the whole thing being like "have you ever stopped that? nope? me either.", there would be the other races there to say things like "now hold on, I lose all the time to this and this", etc. Still, I'm looking forward to seeing where this show is headed. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:28 Chibalicious wrote: What a bunch of garbage ... i mean 75% of the replies to this video. Why have noone replied to the actual content of the video? All you guys sees and hears is LOL IDRA SAID Z UP HE SUCH WHINER LOOK AT STATISTICS LOL GSL WON ZERG LOL. Why, if you are going to disagree or attack him, why is it that you are not doing something constructive, like maybe WHY he would be wrong, maybe bring some better arguments to the table. The content of the video is actually informative and insightful with good reasoning and examples behind their points, and people can't take the time to respond with anything but "zergs are such whiners" ;/ sad looking forward to any future episodes | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:36 avilo wrote: Pretty legit point, I think every Terran was thinking it lol. Well, to be fair, Idra is a Zerg, and he probably is not familiar with the TvP matchup. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
Protoss has nothing aside from the Colossus, Protoss Air units are just paper planes half of the time. You take out Colossus and Protoss basically have no go to unit in SC2, maybe Immortals. Void Rays get countered easy with early scout, Carriers now have limited use, Mothership is pointless. Maybe Blink Stalkers, that is about it, but they die without good control. User was warned for this post | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
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Cha1R
United States221 Posts
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