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If you have criticism, you need to address the content, not the hosts. Idra and Artosis are 2 (1.5) Zerg players, but you can't point that out and then blanket them as biased. Respond to the content. You can't tell them to "get 2 Terran and Protoss players". That's fucking obtuse advice. "Yo just get 4 more high level players to record with you." Yes, I think everyone sees the value in getting it, but it's not practical. Respond to the content and use evidence / logic to back up your claims. | ||
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branflakes14
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Ravomat
Germany422 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:40 Tachion wrote: The content of the video is actually informative and insightful with good reasoning and examples behind their points, and people can't take the time to respond with anything but "zergs are such whiners" ;/ quoted for truth On February 03 2011 10:40 Tachion wrote: looking forward to any future episodes User was warned for this post | ||
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chocopan
Japan986 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:04 LoLAdriankat wrote: Yeah. IdrA's complaints are often heat-of-the-moment complaints, similar to how you just finish arguing with someone and an hour later you realize what you should've said. That aside, he has one of the best analytical abilities in the scene. i strongly agree. i think people know of his bm rep and presume that actually reflects his day-to-day personality. i've always found him to be singularly cogent and articulate on sc/2 issues, agree or no. he is very lucid and specific. good stuff. | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:40 TedJustice wrote: They weren't necessarily biased, but it would be a lot better with the other races having an input. There would be more discussion because rather than the whole thing being like "have you ever stopped that? nope? me either.", there would be the other races there to say things like "now hold on, I lose all the time to this and this", etc. Still, I'm looking forward to seeing where this show is headed. Sure it would be nice to have some Terran or 'actual' Protoss in there. But it's their first take on that kind of show and I imagine that it isn't necessarily easy to get english speaking Terran and Toss players on your couch in South Korea. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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SolidusR
United States217 Posts
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TedJustice
Canada1324 Posts
I'd really like to see that. | ||
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whojohnisgalt
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Gudeldar
United States1200 Posts
Maybe if they got a Terran and Protoss player in there to discuss it then I would pay attention. This is just pointlessly stirring up the balance shitstorm as it is. User was warned for this post | ||
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ProfessorCold
United States41 Posts
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Omar91
Angola620 Posts
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
2 Zerg players griping about balance is somewhat biased. | ||
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Elwar
953 Posts
If you nerf colossus damage do you maintain weak and expensive gateway units? What effect would that have on ZvP with zergs ability to remax quickly? What about PvT and PvP? If you nerf colossus damage do you buff gateway units? What effect would this have on early timing attacks, particularly ZvP? What about PvT and PvP? Or more critical thinking; does it even make sense to allow well-controlled, well-supported colossus armies to be more vulnerable to ground units? Do you maintain vulnerability to air if so? I have no answers to these questions, nor a strong opinion on whether or not the colossus can even be considered imbalanced in any matchup, but I was hoping for a bit more actual discussion in the video. Also I would like to see better arguments to actually support their positions. | ||
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lphoenixl
Canada71 Posts
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
I think you have to talk about the colossus in the context of its support units. | ||
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branflakes14
2082 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:45 TedJustice wrote: I remember InControl saying something about PvP moving toward being a "race to mothership" cold war scenario in the future. I'd really like to see that. Brings back repressed memories of PvP matches where my opponent did that and just sniped my Observers. God damn do I ever hate Protoss detection. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
I actually prefer it that way honestly. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:04 LoLAdriankat wrote: Yeah. IdrA's complaints are often heat-of-the-moment complaints, similar to how you just finish arguing with someone and an hour later you realize what you should've said. That aside, he has one of the best analytical abilities in the scene. Does he though? Just because he's a good player? This is a guy who once said that the BW map Battle Royale would be hugely Terran favoured, when it turned out completely imbalanced in favour of Z and removed mid-season. So please people think about things yourselves as well don't just parrot the judgment of others. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:48 Seraphic wrote: It would be a lot easier if Protoss never had the Colossus, getting there Reavers back. Then have Immortals shoot air also. -.- I actually prefer it that way honestly. I was glad to have the reaver removed and hope it stays away forever haha god did that unit get my blood boiling in bw  .I dunno I think if all the maps were bigger colossi wouldn't be as powerful pvz as I think they were both saying as you could have time to remax your army rather then have them be there 5 seconds later while your armies still being made | ||
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Khanz
France214 Posts
On February 03 2011 10:28 Chibalicious wrote: What a bunch of garbage ... i mean 75% of the replies to this video. Why have noone replied to the actual content of the video? All you guys sees and hears is LOL IDRA SAID Z UP HE SUCH WHINER LOOK AT STATISTICS LOL GSL WON ZERG LOL. Why, if you are going to disagree or attack him, why is it that you are not doing something constructive, like maybe WHY he would be wrong, maybe bring some better arguments to the table. This. Seriously, watch the f*cking content before QQing, tell them what's wrong with perfect Z unit composition vs collossus based P army. To sum up Z has to do way more than protoss in this matchup, now if Idra and Artosis are wrong just give solutions i'll be fine with that. Z has to find a perfect mix between corruptors and ground army + inject + creep + try some fancy micro aka burrow/NP/drops to be even with P ? -.- Wait i thought P was the micro race. | ||
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