EPTStuck in low diamond? - Page 5
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shtdisturbance
Canada613 Posts
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TzTz
Germany511 Posts
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Ivs
Australia139 Posts
1. Points aren't a measure of skill until AFTER you deplete your bonus points. Until then it is more of a measure of how much you've played. If you are matched against someone 1000 points above you, he isn't necessarily better, he just played way more. Stop complaining how points aren't reflecting your true skills since it is not designed to do that. If you are going 50/50 against people 1000 points ahead of you, it is NOT hindering your laddering progress. It is only slow because you haven't played enough to use up your points while your opponent have. When you do use them up, you'll be at that level too. The whole matchmaking/favouredness thing does not care about your or their bonus points. 2. Bonus points arent there to help the less active gamer boost up the ladder easier. It is only there to create the sense of progress, since otherwise everyone will be stagnating around their mmr. If anything, the less active gamer will only fall behind due to the bonus points, since everyone else has them too. 3. I think many people's real issue is that it is not possible to accurately determine your skill rating (mmr) if you aren't active. Points + unused bonus gives a rough estimate but it isn't very good. Some people prefer the progress of seeing their mmr move up rather than the artificial progress created by bonus points. Personally I think instead of a bonus point system, a ladder showing mmr with decay would make everyone happier. Then again blizzard still wants those lower league people to keep wanting to play the game somehow, and bonus points is doing that. | ||
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koolaid1990
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On December 20 2010 07:06 Werk wrote: it must not be a terrible thread if other people are posting on here having the same questions / problems, and if your going to say i don't know whats going on, please explain. that post gave the thread nothing. I posted everything you need to know on my previous posts, go back and read them. Seems you just want everything easy and don't want to read and research stuff yourself. Try putting some effort forth. And yes you are right the other people are just as lost as you are and would benefit from reading the TL threads on this subject from the more informed TL members. The problem isn't the system, it's your understanding of how the system works so read up. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=118212 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142211 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169830 | ||
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Effen
227 Posts
every game is different and you need to learn how to beat things and what works when for YOU. | ||
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metalsonic
Netherlands95 Posts
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Effen
227 Posts
On December 20 2010 08:41 metalsonic wrote: It seems like in general people who got diamond before other people have a pretty good adventage . Like I was 250 points behind a buddy of mine since I got promoted about 1-2 weeks later then him and now still after about 800 games played still am about 200-300 points behind , changing when we play ofc i had to get a new acct (last one got banned for using a macro to auto join and leave 4v4 games for icon farming) which i started playing a few weeks ago. gained about 400 points past few days in diamond. dont think these kind of theories that ive read here are all that true...(take out the bonus pool its probably like 200ish points gained, but still.) if you win, you will move up, if you don't, you will not move up. it is NOT a zero-sum system, especially with the bonus pool feature. if you go anything close to 50/50 win/loss you WILL gain points consistantly. if you are not gaining points or not moving up, I'm sorry but you simply are not winning more than 50% of your games. | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
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lindn
Sweden833 Posts
On December 19 2010 17:30 Werk wrote: I wondering if people are having the same problem as I am. I am for the time being a 1.1k diamond player, but play people that are 2k in diamond pretty much every game. I feel as though Ive really improved as a player in the last couple of weeks and the ladder seems to be matching me up with very strong opponents. + Show Spoiler + Werk.136 61st in Valerian Kappa 1,161 I go about 50/50 as most people do, but I check the profile for people I play after every game and they're always a thousand points ahead of me, and the match is considered even. So going 50/50 i really never move up or down the ladder but play people that are ranked way higher than me. Anyone else having this problem? It sucks knowing you should be ranked higher and telling your friends your a measly 1k diamond...sad panda... anyways, be nice to me TL peeps if you're 50/50 vs 1k+ opponents you'll go plus as bloody hell since winning against higher pointed people gives you more. | ||
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zwietracht
Liechtenstein24 Posts
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Effen
227 Posts
On December 19 2010 17:30 Werk wrote: I go about 50/50 as most people do, but I check the profile for people I play after every game and they're always a thousand points ahead of me, and the match is considered even. So going 50/50 i really never move up or down the ladder but play people that are ranked way higher than me. Anyone else having this problem? It sucks knowing you should be ranked higher and telling your friends your a measly 1k diamond...sad panda... anyways, be nice to me TL peeps This is just a lie. Don't know why people would post stuff like this on TL. It is NOT a zero-sum system, especially with the bonus pool feature. If you beat someone rated above you, you GAIN more points than you would lose if you had lost. So if you go 50/50 like you claim you do, there is simply no way that you aren't moving up the ladder. Can't tl moderate these kinds of threads or something... | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
I am so annoyed with it. | ||
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Abstinence
United States328 Posts
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KillerDucky
United States498 Posts
On December 20 2010 06:18 Werk wrote: lol a pool of 10 games isn't a good summary of whats going on.. You want to post more? You're winning twice as many points as you're losing. System working as intended and you are going up. | ||
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ShamTao
United States419 Posts
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Ryguy
United States3 Posts
Since youre winning ~50% of your games, I think itd be safe to take your bonus pool, add that to what youre at now, and you should have a pretty good estimate of what your points will be had you played enough games to exhaust your bonus pool. It might seem like some of them are "out of your league" right now, but thats just because you dont have the same experience now that you did before. TLDR: You'll be stuck with less points than you truly deserve, until you use up 100% of your bonus pool | ||
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FrostedMiniWeet
United States636 Posts
Your ladder score is exactly what it should be, as you have 800+ bonus pool with a 1200 pt rating. These are free points that you will get so long as you play enough games. If you add your ladder score to your bonus pool, you will see that you are indeed right around 2k diamond. A simple way to estimate your ladder score is simply add your bonus pool to your current ladder score, so you can fairly say you are at 2k diamond, as that is your skill level. You gain DOUBLE points for every win, while a 2000 diamond player who has used up his bonus pool doesn't. It is only a matter of time until you catch up. There is no problem here, so you shouldn't refer to it as a problem, as everybody that has not used up their bonus pool is in exactly the same situation as you are. You are not "stuck" at all, as you WILL gain points by simply playing games, since the matchmaking system will keep you at an average of 50/50, which will result in you simply using up your bonus pool, assuming you don't improve. If you improve as you play, you will likely end up higher by the time your pool is used up. Also, few people seem to understand that when your bonus pool is not used up, the favored/even/unfavored is not an indicator of who is more skilled, but rather an indicator of how many points you will get for winning/losing. Both players can be favored, or unfavored. Your favored/unfavored for a particular match is determined by comparing your ladder score, to your opponents MMR. So if you are playing somebody with MMR 2000 but ladder score 500, you will be unfavored despite having a a higher ladder score, whereas if you are playing a player who is MMR 500, but ladder score 2000, you will be favored, despite having a lower ladder score. This is done so that your ladder score more quickly approaches your MMR. If you still cannot understand how or why this is, then just don't worry about it. The system is working EXACTLY how it was designed to work. | ||
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hitman133
United States1425 Posts
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kYem
United Kingdom412 Posts
On December 20 2010 08:36 Effen wrote: i think the biggest reason that most people cant get out of bronze/silver/gold/low diamond is that they watch all these guys like day9 and casters and replays and focus way to much on build orders and memorizing at exactly what supply you must do a certain action rather than just playing the game and figuring things out on the go. every game is different and you need to learn how to beat things and what works when for YOU. Really bad advise. If you do one build good you will be in mid diamond in no time. if you can do it perfectly you can reach top diamond. Once you have one build ONLY then you should star adding aditional builds. It doesn't matter if you have "10 builds" but every game its actually different... and in fact you cant do even one build correctly. Thats why most people cant move up because they play on the flow, meaning they do not improve because every time you in different situation and you don't know how to react vs opponent build. If you try to figure out everything it's takes SO much time. Its not time effective use. | ||
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