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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
i do understand that some ppl do not like having it removed but its not a big deal if it is removed. no medical problems arise from it and the ones that do is extremely rare. the pleasure during sex is questionable. i do know a friend that has recently had a circumcision to his uncircumcised penis a few years back so i would have to ask him what the difference is during sex. but i do know one thing, the difference isnt as high as 75% and w/e the hell XmZ said. your dick does not "just fkin die" | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On November 29 2010 21:40 Ballistixz wrote: the pleasure during sex is questionable. i do know a friend that has recently had a circumcision to his uncircumcised penis a few years back so i would have to ask him what the difference is during sex. but i do know one thing, the difference isnt as high as 75% and w/e the hell XmZ said. your dick does not "just fkin die" Of course not, he even admitted to grabbing that number out of the air. I'd also like to point out that you and your friends aren't a reasonable test group. Just because noone you know has had a problem doesn't mean that noone does. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On November 29 2010 21:45 HellRoxYa wrote: Of course not, he even admitted to grabbing that number out of the air. I'd also like to point out that you and your friends aren't a reasonable test group. Just because noone you know has had a problem doesn't mean that noone does. i never said we was lol. i said i was speaking from my own experiences and i also just threw them in th ere aswell. i even went on to imply that medical problems to arise from it even tho its rare. but the same can be said for any surgical procedure. even something as simple as removing a ingrown toenail. but with circumcision you would have to be a pretty incompetent doctor for something to go wrong. which is why its rare. | ||
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Almania
145 Posts
But yes, these rates are extremely low. Probably not much higher than as you say, dieing due to an operation on an ingrown toenail. But the thing is - this operation is the most common surgical procedure in the world (I believe). Even if only 1 in 10,000 have a complication - that's how many children a year? | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
I had an issue with my foreskin that I wouldn't have had if I'd been circumcised at birth though, so there is maybe less risk of complications (I know doctors say there aren't any complications it prevents, but in my experience sometimes there are) | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On November 29 2010 21:57 Almania wrote: The thing is though, there is a fatality rate. There's also the ominous sounding "complication" rate, where complications can include sudden loss of penis. But yes, these rates are extremely low. Probably not much higher than as you say, dieing due to an operation on an ingrown toenail. But the thing is - this operation is the most common surgical procedure in the world (I believe). Even if only 1 in 10,000 have a complication - that's how many children a year? but what about complications with keeping that foreskin have aswelll? complications that can sometimes result in great pain for the child for many years without the parent ever knowing the cause. while also being rare it still happens. | ||
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
Wiswell looked at the complication rates of having or not having circumcision performed in a study of 136,000 boys born in US army hospitals between 1980 and 1985. 100,000 were circumcised and 193 (0.19%) had complications, mostly minor, with no deaths, but of the 36,000 who were not circumcised the problems were more than ten-times higher and there were 2 deaths [Wiswell & Hachey, 1993]. Problems involving the penis are encountered relatively frequently in pediatric practice [Langer & Coplen, 1998]. A retrospective study of boys aged 4 months to 12 years found uncircumcised boys exhibited significantly greater frequency of penile problems (14% vs 6%; P < 0.001) and medical visits for penile problems (10% vs 5%; P < 0.05) compared with those who were circumcised. http://www.circinfo.net/benefits_outweigh_the_risks.html Morever It is very subjective but from my very personal aesthetic point of view, I think uncut penises are really gross. This is why you never see uncut elephant trunks on any of the porns. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On November 29 2010 22:25 1tym wrote: Morever It is very subjective but from my very personal aesthetic point of view, I think uncut penises are really gross. This is why you never see uncut elephant trunks on any of the porns. No, you never see any uncut penises in porn because it's all american produced and there's a shortage of uncut american sausage last time I checked. Edit: And that whole site is biased. So no, it's not very convincing at all. Edit 2: My god, that site is both hilarious and sad. Right side, "Sex and Circumcision, what every woman needs to know". Initial paragraph: Male circumcision is a simple surgical procedure that removes the foreskin – a sleeve of skin covering the tip of the penis. Women are at much lower risk of disease if their male partner is circumcised. In fact the next paragraph might be even worse: By encouraging circumcision in lovers, brothers, friends or their own male offspring, women can help protect themselves, other women, and men. In western countries a mother has the legal right to authorize circumcision for her young son. Although infancy is the ideal time for a circumcision, many adult men and teens can be encouraged to seek circumcision for medical, health, sexual, cultural, religious or cosmetic reasons.. I stand by that this site is not reputeable in any way. Edit 3: I need to put this in here as well, lmfao. In conclusion Circumcision of the male partner confers substantial sexual and medical benefits to a woman. A circumcised male reduces her risk of disease, suffering, medical treatment and premature death. If she is the care giver, as wife or mother, a woman will quite likely need to deal with problems in the uncircumcised male, 1 in 3 of whom develop a condition requiring medical attention at some time during their life. Like, really? | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
Don't ban it. | ||
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Almania
145 Posts
On November 29 2010 22:25 1tym wrote: Morever It is very subjective but from my very personal aesthetic point of view, I think uncut penises are really gross. This is why you never see uncut elephant trunks on any of the porns. I believe you'll find it depends entirely on what you're used to. Most Euro porn to my knowledge is uncut, most american is cut, neither surprising given the rates in the respective countries. The few girls I've spoken to here in Aus where circumcision is less common prefer uncut, but I know the two of an older generation I've spoken to when it was more common prefer cut. So yeh. I think it depends entirely on what the norm is for your location and generation, and I'm of the opinion that as the operation (despite the existance of "foreskin reconstruction surgery") is mostly one way, let the person make up their own mind about how they want their penis. | ||
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
On November 29 2010 22:29 HellRoxYa wrote: No, you never see any uncut penises in porn because it's all american produced and there's a shortage of uncut american sausage last time I checked. It is true that America dominates the porn industry, but it is mainly the same case for other Asian and European adult films as well. (Namely Japan, where circumcision rate is no way as high) | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On November 29 2010 22:36 1tym wrote: It is true that America dominates the porn industry, but it is mainly the same case for other Asian and European adult films as well. (Namely Japan, where circumcision rate is no way as high) You're wrong. Out of the blurry Japan porn I've had the unfortune of coming across I'm quite sure you're wrong and you're definently wrong about EU porn. Edit: Might be because it doesn't always look too different when erect. Everyone's penis is different. | ||
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Almania
145 Posts
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
On November 29 2010 22:38 HellRoxYa wrote: You're wrong. Out of the blurry Japan porn I've had the unfortune of coming across I'm quite sure you're wrong and you're definently wrong about EU porn. What amazes me is your ability to recognize the uncutness of the penis through the mosaic. In that case I have to succumb to your expertise. Thank you for correcting me Mr Flap to uncut penis master. | ||
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NorsePower
United States4 Posts
Since it's impossible to breach this without being a little bit personal, my sex life has been pretty hellish because I was never circumcised. My biological father did not allow it to happen due to some pretty rampant anti-Semitism (stupidity and drug/alcohol addiction added with that certainly didn't help). My mother eventually left him due to his abusive nature, but not being circumcised has caused some huge problems for me. My foreskin is far too tight so I cannot enjoy regular intercourse because of it, not to mention some girls are just immediately put off by it (not that I can completely blame them). This isn't to say I've been without experience but honestly, there was no reason for me to not be circumcised. It's an easy enough procedure early in life but I have yet to be able to get in done since. We've never been very comfortable financially and it costs a couple thousand dollars done to get the procedure done now. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
We don't go couging the eyes off babies either, they might want to see later on. Same logic applies IMO. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
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Almania
145 Posts
On November 29 2010 22:45 NorsePower wrote: Since it's impossible to breach this without being a little bit personal, my sex life has been pretty hellish because I was never circumcised. Sorry to hear that Norse. But because of the problems you've experienced you think everyone should be circumcised at birth by default? Or only if they need to - because there'll obviously be provisions for those with medical reasons. On November 29 2010 22:45 NorsePower wrote: My foreskin is far too tight so I cannot enjoy regular intercourse because of it, not to mention some girls are just immediately put off by it (not that I can completely blame them). I do have to say that is a sad state of affairs, but I can see it being a valid argument against this law. Except for the fact that if the law were to pass, the whole generation of girls growing up with these boys would find circumcised penises to be the odd ones... so.. not sure I guess. I suppose it could then be argued that as some people do need to be circumcised for medical reasons, it should be made the norm just so they're not ostracized for it. -shrugs- | ||
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ktp
United States797 Posts
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On November 29 2010 22:43 1tym wrote: What amazes me is your ability to recognize the uncutness of the penis through the mosaic. In that case I have to succumb to your expertise. Thank you for correcting me Mr Flap to uncut penis master. Same to you. How about the illegal variants, which I'm positive on instead? How about that? | ||
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