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On November 30 2010 03:23 VIB wrote:IMHO all you guys saying you don't want your penis "mutilated" are all just a bunch of drama queens  The benefits might be small but the drawbacks are ridiculously insignificant. There might not be too many people who would contract diseases because they don't wash up. But they are certainly much more than the amount of people who got their penis accidentally cut off, or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old.
You could not be more wrong about this subject. The draw backs are extremely significant.
Let's play the compare game.
Female genitals ~ 8,000 nerve endings
Penis with no foreskin ~ 4,000 nerve endings
Penis WITH foreskin ~ 40,000 nerve endings
That's an EXTREME difference.
"or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old."
You make it seem like its nothing at all, have you seen a circumcision video? I'm going to throw a wild guess out there and say "no".
Here's a free nice video (not sure if its been posted yet) on the subject.
http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/5808710/15202871
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If you were circumcised as a baby and you regret what your parents did, get over it. your dick still works like a champion and looks even better. Banning this entirely is just retarded, especially without any empirical evidence or any reason. What's the reason? Free will? Like any of us have free will anyway, why don't we ban social classes or your ethnicity while we're at it?
So what your missing some of your dick, there is nothing to complain about. This alone warrants this a retarded ban. When they banned toys in kids happy meals, that actually made sense because it was a harmful practice to society. Meanwhile this just makes your dick look awesome. A lot of people in the thread focus on whether or not having your penis cut slightly is cool or not, but I'm pretty sure the main thing to be discussed here is whether or not the states should determine how their citizen's dicks look. Because so far from what I've read there seems to be no clear advantage or disadvantage thus making this a cosmetic issue. I'm not saying that I completely disagree with this banning, just that given the global affairs atm I'm not sure we should have political powers devoting their time to cosmetic dick issues.
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On November 30 2010 03:31 drewcifer wrote:
If you were circumcised as a baby and you regret what your parents did, get over it. your dick still works like a champion and looks even better. Banning this entirely is just retarded, especially without any empirical evidence or any reason. What's the reason? Free will? Like any of us have free will anyway, why don't we ban social classes or your ethnicity while we're at it?
So what your missing some of your dick, there is nothing to complain about. This alone warrants this a retarded ban. When they banned toys in kids happy meals, that actually made sense because it was a harmful practice to society. Meanwhile this just makes your dick look awesome. A lot of people in the thread focus on whether or not having your penis cut slightly is cool or not, but I'm pretty sure the main thing to be discussed here is whether or not the states should determine how their citizen's dicks look. Because so far from what I've read there seems to be no clear advantage or disadvantage thus making this a cosmetic issue. I'm not saying that I completely disagree with this banning, just that given the global affairs atm I'm not sure we should have political powers devoting their time to cosmetic dick issues.
It's not a cosmetic issue when it comes to sexual functioning, please read the post directly above yours before you spout nonsense.
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On November 30 2010 03:31 drewcifer wrote:
A lot of people in the thread focus on whether or not having your penis cut slightly is cool or not, but I'm pretty sure the main thing to be discussed here is whether or not the states should determine how their citizen's dicks look. Because so far from what I've read there seems to be no clear advantage or disadvantage thus making this a cosmetic issue.
Quite right, but in my opinion banning cosmetic surgery on infants isn't outrageous.
Slight edit: There should be an age beyond which the kid can make the choice himself, but yeah. Babies. And complications from surgery.
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On November 30 2010 03:33 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 03:31 drewcifer wrote:
If you were circumcised as a baby and you regret what your parents did, get over it. your dick still works like a champion and looks even better. Banning this entirely is just retarded, especially without any empirical evidence or any reason. What's the reason? Free will? Like any of us have free will anyway, why don't we ban social classes or your ethnicity while we're at it?
So what your missing some of your dick, there is nothing to complain about. This alone warrants this a retarded ban. When they banned toys in kids happy meals, that actually made sense because it was a harmful practice to society. Meanwhile this just makes your dick look awesome. A lot of people in the thread focus on whether or not having your penis cut slightly is cool or not, but I'm pretty sure the main thing to be discussed here is whether or not the states should determine how their citizen's dicks look. Because so far from what I've read there seems to be no clear advantage or disadvantage thus making this a cosmetic issue. I'm not saying that I completely disagree with this banning, just that given the global affairs atm I'm not sure we should have political powers devoting their time to cosmetic dick issues. It's not a cosmetic issue when it comes to sexual functioning, please read the post directly above yours before you spout nonsense.
So the reason we have elected politicians pushing their power to get this banned is because they are worried that circumcised people are not receiving enough pleasure from sex? Like I said in the post that you just quoted me from...the context of global affairs make this a laughable exercise of politics. I got more important things to worry about then if Fred's dick makes him feel better when hes inside a woman or man. My unnerved circumcised dick truly is just sufficient enough to make me cum massive loads just in case you were wondering, because it seems that it is the main argue point for this ban.
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On November 30 2010 03:30 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 03:23 VIB wrote:IMHO all you guys saying you don't want your penis "mutilated" are all just a bunch of drama queens The benefits might be small but the drawbacks are ridiculously insignificant. There might not be too many people who would contract diseases because they don't wash up. But they are certainly much more than the amount of people who got their penis accidentally cut off, or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old. You could not be more wrong about this subject. The draw backs are extremely significant. Let's play the compare game. Female genitals ~ 8,000 nerve endings Penis with no foreskin ~ 4,000 nerve endings Penis WITH foreskin ~ 40,000 nerve endings That's an EXTREME difference. "or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old." You make it seem like its nothing at all, have you seen a circumcision video? I'm going to throw a wild guess out there and say "no". Here's a free nice video (not sure if its been posted yet) on the subject. http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/5808710/15202871 What difference does any of that makes in my life today? I've seen the video, I still don't remember when it happened to me. I'm not traumatized. I've seen the numbers about my nerve endings and I still have a lot of fun with my penis. I'm not missing any of it.
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I think in western cultures its totally irrational to for the fact that it is unnatural, and we do so for cleanliness purposes, it seems utterly ridiculous that they think I will be too stupid to clean my own prick. Although I suppose I am happy that my dick didnt hurt as much as a kid as it shouldve when i slammed the urethra shut by jamming it against an unforgiving object, the amount of times i would have made up for that by enjoying lovemaking more an astounding ten times more. Ridiculous that i had no choice in such a life altering choice. Im sure all the rich (non jewish) men still have their dick skin, thats probably what gives them the drive to continue on with life in such a dominant manner.
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On November 30 2010 03:50 Holcan wrote:
I'm sure all the rich (non jewish) men still have their dick skin, thats probably what gives them the drive to continue on with life in such a dominant manner.
LOL
I can say with absolute certainty that I'm a beta male, so maybe you're right. Maybe if I had my foreskin I could have been an alpha male, stomping on my business competitors while crushing beer cans on my head and howling at the moon.
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On November 30 2010 03:48 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 03:30 PanN wrote:On November 30 2010 03:23 VIB wrote:IMHO all you guys saying you don't want your penis "mutilated" are all just a bunch of drama queens The benefits might be small but the drawbacks are ridiculously insignificant. There might not be too many people who would contract diseases because they don't wash up. But they are certainly much more than the amount of people who got their penis accidentally cut off, or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old. You could not be more wrong about this subject. The draw backs are extremely significant. Let's play the compare game. Female genitals ~ 8,000 nerve endings Penis with no foreskin ~ 4,000 nerve endings Penis WITH foreskin ~ 40,000 nerve endings That's an EXTREME difference. "or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old." You make it seem like its nothing at all, have you seen a circumcision video? I'm going to throw a wild guess out there and say "no". Here's a free nice video (not sure if its been posted yet) on the subject. http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/5808710/15202871 What difference does any of that makes in my life today? I've seen the video, I still don't remember when it happened to me. I'm not traumatized. I've seen the numbers about my nerve endings and I still have a lot of fun with my penis. I'm not missing any of it.
"I'm not missing any of it". Could you please clarify this statement?
How could you not be missing any of it if you don't know what you're missing? I don't understand this reasoning. I mean, obviously no one is saying circumcision leads to complete loss of function, but it does lead to a loss of a degree of function, and the procedure is done so early so as you never know the exact degree lost. If you had it done as an adult, and remember very clearly the sensation before and after the procedure, then you might be qualified to say something like that.
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The fun thing here is that the people who don't have a foreskin can't really grow one back so I can see why they wouldn't argue against their own penis. Meanwhile the uncut people can easily choose what to do with their own penis, even go as far as to use some tape to live the glamorous porn star life of a cut male whenever they choose. Neat!
1000th post ladies and gentlemen, use your pecker with caution.
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What if I told you my dick was like the daredevil and when it lost apparently 70% nerve endings in my skin it compensated for the loss and made my dick head super sensitive. You guys have no idea what you are missing, this should be enforced.
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On November 30 2010 03:57 Krigwin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 03:48 VIB wrote:On November 30 2010 03:30 PanN wrote:On November 30 2010 03:23 VIB wrote:IMHO all you guys saying you don't want your penis "mutilated" are all just a bunch of drama queens The benefits might be small but the drawbacks are ridiculously insignificant. There might not be too many people who would contract diseases because they don't wash up. But they are certainly much more than the amount of people who got their penis accidentally cut off, or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old. You could not be more wrong about this subject. The draw backs are extremely significant. Let's play the compare game. Female genitals ~ 8,000 nerve endings Penis with no foreskin ~ 4,000 nerve endings Penis WITH foreskin ~ 40,000 nerve endings That's an EXTREME difference. "or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old." You make it seem like its nothing at all, have you seen a circumcision video? I'm going to throw a wild guess out there and say "no". Here's a free nice video (not sure if its been posted yet) on the subject. http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/5808710/15202871 What difference does any of that makes in my life today? I've seen the video, I still don't remember when it happened to me. I'm not traumatized. I've seen the numbers about my nerve endings and I still have a lot of fun with my penis. I'm not missing any of it. "I'm not missing any of it". Could you please clarify this statement? How could you not be missing any of it if you don't know what you're missing? I don't understand this reasoning. I mean, obviously no one is saying circumcision leads to complete loss of function, but it does lead to a loss of a degree of function, and the procedure is done so early so as you never know the exact degree lost. If you had it done as an adult, and remember very clearly the sensation before and after the procedure, then you might be qualified to say something like that. So now it's a philosophical question of how we label each feeling? That's subjective, it doesn't matter. I'm not traumatized. I'm happy. That's what matters.
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When my mother had my second brother, she opted to have him circumcised.
He screamed and yelled and whined and cried for hours, so loudly that the sound reverberated throughout the hospital.
The doctor was so horrified that he said he would never perform a circumcision again.
My mother reached a similar conclusion.
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On November 30 2010 04:02 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 03:57 Krigwin wrote:On November 30 2010 03:48 VIB wrote:On November 30 2010 03:30 PanN wrote:On November 30 2010 03:23 VIB wrote:IMHO all you guys saying you don't want your penis "mutilated" are all just a bunch of drama queens The benefits might be small but the drawbacks are ridiculously insignificant. There might not be too many people who would contract diseases because they don't wash up. But they are certainly much more than the amount of people who got their penis accidentally cut off, or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old. You could not be more wrong about this subject. The draw backs are extremely significant. Let's play the compare game. Female genitals ~ 8,000 nerve endings Penis with no foreskin ~ 4,000 nerve endings Penis WITH foreskin ~ 40,000 nerve endings That's an EXTREME difference. "or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old." You make it seem like its nothing at all, have you seen a circumcision video? I'm going to throw a wild guess out there and say "no". Here's a free nice video (not sure if its been posted yet) on the subject. http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/5808710/15202871 What difference does any of that makes in my life today? I've seen the video, I still don't remember when it happened to me. I'm not traumatized. I've seen the numbers about my nerve endings and I still have a lot of fun with my penis. I'm not missing any of it. "I'm not missing any of it". Could you please clarify this statement? How could you not be missing any of it if you don't know what you're missing? I don't understand this reasoning. I mean, obviously no one is saying circumcision leads to complete loss of function, but it does lead to a loss of a degree of function, and the procedure is done so early so as you never know the exact degree lost. If you had it done as an adult, and remember very clearly the sensation before and after the procedure, then you might be qualified to say something like that. So now it's a philosophical question of how we label each feeling? That's subjective, it doesn't matter. I'm not traumatized. I'm happy. That's what matters.
No, you are being deprived and we cannot possibly allow this to go on. The only way to deal with this is by mass banning with a fine. There is absolutely no other way to deal with this and usually we like to ban things that are inferior to others even when both function properly. Oh wait this could be a bad idea. We're saving the sex life of our future.
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On November 30 2010 04:02 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 03:57 Krigwin wrote:On November 30 2010 03:48 VIB wrote:On November 30 2010 03:30 PanN wrote:On November 30 2010 03:23 VIB wrote:IMHO all you guys saying you don't want your penis "mutilated" are all just a bunch of drama queens The benefits might be small but the drawbacks are ridiculously insignificant. There might not be too many people who would contract diseases because they don't wash up. But they are certainly much more than the amount of people who got their penis accidentally cut off, or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old. You could not be more wrong about this subject. The draw backs are extremely significant. Let's play the compare game. Female genitals ~ 8,000 nerve endings Penis with no foreskin ~ 4,000 nerve endings Penis WITH foreskin ~ 40,000 nerve endings That's an EXTREME difference. "or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old." You make it seem like its nothing at all, have you seen a circumcision video? I'm going to throw a wild guess out there and say "no". Here's a free nice video (not sure if its been posted yet) on the subject. http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/5808710/15202871 What difference does any of that makes in my life today? I've seen the video, I still don't remember when it happened to me. I'm not traumatized. I've seen the numbers about my nerve endings and I still have a lot of fun with my penis. I'm not missing any of it. "I'm not missing any of it". Could you please clarify this statement? How could you not be missing any of it if you don't know what you're missing? I don't understand this reasoning. I mean, obviously no one is saying circumcision leads to complete loss of function, but it does lead to a loss of a degree of function, and the procedure is done so early so as you never know the exact degree lost. If you had it done as an adult, and remember very clearly the sensation before and after the procedure, then you might be qualified to say something like that. So now it's a philosophical question of how we label each feeling? That's subjective, it doesn't matter. I'm not traumatized. I'm happy. That's what matters.
It's not a philosophical question, it's a medical question. And it's not subjective. Saying you're okay with the function provided by your circumcised penis and saying you don't miss any of the function lost due to circumcision are two very different things, so pick your statements carefully.
What if the last two fingers on each hand were removed at birth? You would still have practical function of your hand in many cases. Since you never knew what you lost, you might be "happy" with the function of your hand. But a degree of function has been lost, that's a fact. That's my question. Not "are you happy with the feeling?", but "how do you know the exact degree of function lost?"
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On November 30 2010 04:09 Krigwin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 04:02 VIB wrote:On November 30 2010 03:57 Krigwin wrote:On November 30 2010 03:48 VIB wrote:On November 30 2010 03:30 PanN wrote:On November 30 2010 03:23 VIB wrote:IMHO all you guys saying you don't want your penis "mutilated" are all just a bunch of drama queens The benefits might be small but the drawbacks are ridiculously insignificant. There might not be too many people who would contract diseases because they don't wash up. But they are certainly much more than the amount of people who got their penis accidentally cut off, or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old. You could not be more wrong about this subject. The draw backs are extremely significant. Let's play the compare game. Female genitals ~ 8,000 nerve endings Penis with no foreskin ~ 4,000 nerve endings Penis WITH foreskin ~ 40,000 nerve endings That's an EXTREME difference. "or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old." You make it seem like its nothing at all, have you seen a circumcision video? I'm going to throw a wild guess out there and say "no". Here's a free nice video (not sure if its been posted yet) on the subject. http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/5808710/15202871 What difference does any of that makes in my life today? I've seen the video, I still don't remember when it happened to me. I'm not traumatized. I've seen the numbers about my nerve endings and I still have a lot of fun with my penis. I'm not missing any of it. "I'm not missing any of it". Could you please clarify this statement? How could you not be missing any of it if you don't know what you're missing? I don't understand this reasoning. I mean, obviously no one is saying circumcision leads to complete loss of function, but it does lead to a loss of a degree of function, and the procedure is done so early so as you never know the exact degree lost. If you had it done as an adult, and remember very clearly the sensation before and after the procedure, then you might be qualified to say something like that. So now it's a philosophical question of how we label each feeling? That's subjective, it doesn't matter. I'm not traumatized. I'm happy. That's what matters. It's not a philosophical question, it's a medical question. And it's not subjective. Saying you're okay with the function provided by your circumcised penis and saying you don't miss any of the function lost due to circumcision are two very different things, so pick your statements carefully. What if the last two fingers on each hand were removed at birth? You would still have practical function of your hand in many cases. Since you never knew what you lost, you might be "happy" with the function of your hand. But a degree of function has been lost, that's a fact. That's my question. Not "are you happy with the feeling?", but "how do you know the exact degree of function lost?"
What else do you use your dick for besides fun? Pretty sure I'd miss my fingers a whole lot more than the skin I'm missing from my dick.
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On November 30 2010 04:14 drewcifer wrote:
What else do you use your dick for besides fun?
Tantric enlightenment?
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On November 30 2010 04:14 drewcifer wrote:
What else do you use your dick for besides fun? Pretty sure I'd miss my fingers a whole lot more than the skin I'm missing from my dick.
You're only qualified to make this statement because you've actually used those fingers. If they were removed from birth, who knows what kind of adaptation you could have pulled off to retain function? That's entirely my point, that making a statement like "I don't miss any of it" is ridiculous unless you had it done as an adult.
I can see though that judging by the rampant nonconstructive straw man quips you've littered all over this thread you're not really the contributing kind of guy who would grasp a point like that, so don't bother to respond, I'll just leave you to it.
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On November 30 2010 04:18 Krigwin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 04:14 drewcifer wrote:
What else do you use your dick for besides fun? Pretty sure I'd miss my fingers a whole lot more than the skin I'm missing from my dick. You're only qualified to make this statement because you've actually used those fingers. If they were removed from birth, who knows what kind of adaptation you could have pulled off to retain function? That's entirely my point, that making a statement like "I don't miss any of it" is ridiculous unless you had it done as an adult. I can see though that judging by the rampant nonconstructive straw man quips you've littered all over this thread you're not really the contributing kind of guy who would grasp a point like that, so don't bother to respond, I'll just leave you to it.
Um no? Are you really saying If I was born without fingers I wouldn't envy other people with fingers? I've been using my fingers and watched others use theirs nearly every minute of my life. They have practical uses. Whereas a dick has only one use and we rarely ever use it for that. It's just for fun baby, who cares if your fun is funner than mine? I'm telling you with a str8 face that my dick has awesome cumshots...Are you happier to hear this? I mean you seem to favor a political proposal that is very interested in how awesome my cumshots are.
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On November 30 2010 03:30 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 03:23 VIB wrote:IMHO all you guys saying you don't want your penis "mutilated" are all just a bunch of drama queens The benefits might be small but the drawbacks are ridiculously insignificant. There might not be too many people who would contract diseases because they don't wash up. But they are certainly much more than the amount of people who got their penis accidentally cut off, or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old. You could not be more wrong about this subject. The draw backs are extremely significant. Let's play the compare game. Female genitals ~ 8,000 nerve endings Penis with no foreskin ~ 4,000 nerve endings Penis WITH foreskin ~ 40,000 nerve endings That's an EXTREME difference. "or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old." You make it seem like its nothing at all, have you seen a circumcision video? I'm going to throw a wild guess out there and say "no". Here's a free nice video (not sure if its been posted yet) on the subject. http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/5808710/15202871
ive seen those guys before and frankly they are FULL of crap. trusting a video like that is like trusting a guy quoting directly from Wikipedia for a serious source of information.
On November 30 2010 03:57 Krigwin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2010 03:48 VIB wrote:On November 30 2010 03:30 PanN wrote:On November 30 2010 03:23 VIB wrote:IMHO all you guys saying you don't want your penis "mutilated" are all just a bunch of drama queens The benefits might be small but the drawbacks are ridiculously insignificant. There might not be too many people who would contract diseases because they don't wash up. But they are certainly much more than the amount of people who got their penis accidentally cut off, or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old. You could not be more wrong about this subject. The draw backs are extremely significant. Let's play the compare game. Female genitals ~ 8,000 nerve endings Penis with no foreskin ~ 4,000 nerve endings Penis WITH foreskin ~ 40,000 nerve endings That's an EXTREME difference. "or the amount of people who feel traumatized today because they got cruelty mutilated when they were 1 minute old." You make it seem like its nothing at all, have you seen a circumcision video? I'm going to throw a wild guess out there and say "no". Here's a free nice video (not sure if its been posted yet) on the subject. http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/5808710/15202871 What difference does any of that makes in my life today? I've seen the video, I still don't remember when it happened to me. I'm not traumatized. I've seen the numbers about my nerve endings and I still have a lot of fun with my penis. I'm not missing any of it. "I'm not missing any of it". Could you please clarify this statement? How could you not be missing any of it if you don't know what you're missing? I don't understand this reasoning. I mean, obviously no one is saying circumcision leads to complete loss of function, but it does lead to a loss of a degree of function, and the procedure is done so early so as you never know the exact degree lost. If you had it done as an adult, and remember very clearly the sensation before and after the procedure, then you might be qualified to say something like that.
you also have no idea on the pleasure of a circumcised penis feels like so you have no right or place to judge that either.......
the loss of pleasure is not as great as most people seem to believe it is. i would also like to add that my dick is pretty damn sensitive despite me being circumcised. and the height of that sensitivity is increased a thousand fold when a nice warm women touches it. so yes, the pleasure for me is very satisfying. but with you being uncircumcised you would have no idea on the difference. so what gives you the right to judge and denying other ppl to judge the vice versa? that goes beyond being biased imo.
and its REALLY getting evident of the quacks in this thread. comparing circumcision to the loss of limbs? are you people serious?
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