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On November 01 2010 23:08 Glasse wrote:
what i mean is just saying it without having to quote another thread would of been fine.
Then that's your own personal opinion.
It doesn't change what I'm trying to point out.
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I have an opinion and i like to make sure everyone knows about it.
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On November 01 2010 22:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:43 Amber[LighT] wrote:I'm sorry about this I had a busy weekend and I am trying to catchup as best as possible... I was reading up until Day 2 carefully and then I woke up to a bunch of new posts, so if things have been rejected/accepted I apologize... On November 01 2010 14:26 Ace wrote:On November 01 2010 14:17 infinitestory wrote:On November 01 2010 14:05 youngminii wrote:
Well then we should kill Aeres and find out, no? ^_^ You're an eager one. Killing someone for the sake of getting information sounds a bit hasty. I want to see a condensed argument that Aeres is scum rather than just "more scum than town." 1 bodyguard announced. Aeres claims bodyguard after DC's alleged soft claim. Annul dies at night, revealed to be bodyguard. DC says he never role claimed BG. I point out in 3 ways that Aeres screwed up and had to be lying about the claim. He then comes out and says he lied. If you don't think he's Scum then show us someone even Scummier than he. Totally agree. However I'm trying to understand the possibility of the mafia outting someone as a "bodyguard." What are the benefits? -Aeres would be 'lynchproof.' -DrH has to sit knowing that his "BG" is out in the open? Puts pressure on him? Why else would someone want to do that. It looks like he made a mistake. And I'm more inclined to believe InfiniteStory on this one. Up to this post I am 50/50 about lynching him. I'm not going to quote YM directly since he seems to be active (wow..). Why you so active? Day 1 you were hiding in the back not making many waves. Now you want to go after someone who has probably made a "newbie" mistake as though he's just stolen all of the cookies from the cookie jar. Look at your arguments, and look at other arguments. You're really gunning for someone who we don't really know enough about. And you're kinda throwing random discussion out. Sad to say this is typical of your "pro-town" play. It's also worth noting that we know you're not "just a townie" since you would usually play quiet until you're lynched, making yourself completely useless. How useful your being should determine your alignment... Also this: On November 01 2010 13:47 youngminii wrote:
You should see Pandain's style of play in other games. In almost every game as town he would pull this type of shit and get killed and flip town and cause mass confusion.
@jcarl: I understand what you mean by the town being very secure about me but there's not much they can do. As far as they can tell, I might be invincible and trying to kill me will do nothing. In any case, there's not really anything toooooo scummy about my (perceived) role imo. I hope not, but we can always test this scenario down the road  On November 01 2010 20:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if I'm roleblocked every night then you'd have to trust me which is as good as anything other mayoral candidates offered and I'd be soaking up whatever roleblock power it was. we can only see what happens.
a DT could investigate me as well if that would add any security to anyones mind. there is not necessarily a godfather in this game and I'd be suspicious of players operating under the assumption hat the godfather exists particularly in a game where the godfather would have to make up a role for himself. What if a DT can't check you? We don't know what you _should_ come back even if you were checked. We would waste a check figuring out of we can actually check you. I won't be throwing a FoS on you though since it's ridiculous to make that call by Day 2. There's so much behind the last day that could account for the failures of the lynch and the first night that we're not even aware of. It will ruin discussion by dwelling on it. It has already been confirmed by Artanis that Dr.H can be DT checked. For example, he should come back as Mayor Stick assuming he hasn't lied about his role.
Thanks for clarifying.
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Glasse give it a fucking rest.
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On November 01 2010 23:18 Lexpar wrote:
Glasse give it a fucking rest.
Cats love to rest, I am crazy cat though.
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On November 01 2010 23:18 Lexpar wrote:
Glasse give it a fucking rest.
Lexpar, I would like if you responded to my post:
On November 01 2010 22:39 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 09:27 Lexpar wrote:
I think that because I'm alive. I am therefore I think?
We can trust DocH. We should work with him. I would like you to clarify for us. Why should we trust Dr.H? Give us a reason. Your posts thus far have been vague and largely unhelpful.
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On November 01 2010 22:52 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 20:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I've said it a million times before and I'll say it again. I have the power to confirm my role to another player. Obviously there is the possibility that this role can be disrupted by other roles or that the person who I confirm to could lie about it. Both are possible. There is also a possibility my role is insane in some way but there is nothing in my role PM to make me believe that and Artanis alluded to the fact that if a role was indeed deceptive in some way that there would be some sort of clue within the role description itself. I haven't said much yet, but I might as well clarify it here. I don't buy it. Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 19:07 CubEdIn wrote:
Alright, this game is giving me a headache.
To everyone who passes by, please read this post. It's the best I can do to contribute.
Events
- DrH failed to prove himself, not the most horrible thing that could happen but pretty bad.
- Unless he pokes someone, and THAT someone is uninfected AND gets a message that he has been poked by Dr.H we cannot confirm that he's blue.
If mr.sticky is contaminating people, then we're not going to be able to figure out if dr.H is blue or not. But if he can just "check" blues for contamination, then we can assume that he is (since, supposedly, Mafia already knows who is infected and who is not).
Seems like some players are misunderstanding this scenario. We can only prove DH's role ability, but that does not necessarily make him "blue" or town. Mafia can very well have this "Sticky" role too. The only way we can confirm DH's alignment, is if we can prove his poking ability, to prove he is not God Father, and have an alignment DT, if this role exist, check him.
Did you understand what I mean though? If we can prove that he is able to poke people, AND not infect them, then it's quite positive that he's blue.
Why? Because Mafia would not need a player who can "test" if people are infected, since they control the infection and already KNOW who is infected and who is not. It's really simple.
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On November 01 2010 22:43 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I'm not going to quote YM directly since he seems to be active (wow..).
Why you so active? Day 1 you were hiding in the back not making many waves. Now you want to go after someone who has probably made a "newbie" mistake as though he's just stolen all of the cookies from the cookie jar.
Look at your arguments, and look at other arguments. You're really gunning for someone who we don't really know enough about. And you're kinda throwing random discussion out. Sad to say this is typical of your "pro-town" play. It's also worth noting that we know you're not "just a townie" since you would usually play quiet until you're lynched, making yourself completely useless. How useful your being should determine your alignment...
I apologise, I can try be more inactive just for you. What a great argument you have there. I've already said I was afk for basically all of day 1, are you seriously saying you can't see that?
Probably made a 'newbie' mistake? It's a pretty huge mistake/scumtell if you looked at it carefully, I don't see why you're letting the cookie thief get away without even a slap on the wrist.
I look at my arguments and then I look at the argument I threw out. Pandain and DrH going at it about how DrH has no way of proving he's innocent. Is this argument constructive? No, it will bring nothing new to the table. No analysis, except maybe Pandain's overeagerness of going for DrH. My arguments are designed to punish the liar, the person who got caught red handed in his 'one man hero attempt to save the bodyguard'. I'm still waiting for the counterargument and it's not coming. So yeah, I think I'll go ahead and gun him.
I wasn't aware I had a style of being quiet until I'm lynched if I was just a townie. If you could direct me to a game where I did this, please do. Ditto for my typical 'pro-town' play. Oh yeah, how is it worth nothing I'm not 'just a townie'? You realise there are no 'just a townies' in this game, right? Or are you that inactive?
I'd appreciate it if you stopped pulling idiotic arguments out. Thank you very much,
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On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres
There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.
Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.
I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you.
I don't even... What?
I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it.
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On November 01 2010 23:50 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 22:43 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I'm not going to quote YM directly since he seems to be active (wow..).
Why you so active? Day 1 you were hiding in the back not making many waves. Now you want to go after someone who has probably made a "newbie" mistake as though he's just stolen all of the cookies from the cookie jar.
Look at your arguments, and look at other arguments. You're really gunning for someone who we don't really know enough about. And you're kinda throwing random discussion out. Sad to say this is typical of your "pro-town" play. It's also worth noting that we know you're not "just a townie" since you would usually play quiet until you're lynched, making yourself completely useless. How useful your being should determine your alignment... I apologise, I can try be more inactive just for you. What a great argument you have there. I've already said I was afk for basically all of day 1, are you seriously saying you can't see that? Probably made a 'newbie' mistake? It's a pretty huge mistake/scumtell if you looked at it carefully, I don't see why you're letting the cookie thief get away without even a slap on the wrist. I look at my arguments and then I look at the argument I threw out. Pandain and DrH going at it about how DrH has no way of proving he's innocent. Is this argument constructive? No, it will bring nothing new to the table. No analysis, except maybe Pandain's overeagerness of going for DrH. My arguments are designed to punish the liar, the person who got caught red handed in his 'one man hero attempt to save the bodyguard'. I'm still waiting for the counterargument and it's not coming. So yeah, I think I'll go ahead and gun him. I wasn't aware I had a style of being quiet until I'm lynched if I was just a townie. If you could direct me to a game where I did this, please do. Ditto for my typical 'pro-town' play. Oh yeah, how is it worth nothing I'm not 'just a townie'? You realise there are no 'just a townies' in this game, right? Or are you that inactive? I'd appreciate it if you stopped pulling idiotic arguments out. Thank you very much,
Well without putting much effort into outting you since you don't know yourself well enough, this was (what looks like) your end-post for Flamewheels game:
On August 15 2010 23:09 youngminii wrote:
I'm a bit sick of this game. I don't think I like playing town roles that much, I'm just not motivated to play, sorry about the afkness. I'm still trying to keep up with what's happening though.
From what I can tell:
Misder = mafia (confirmed)
foolishness = mafia (in my eyes)
So there go my votes.
Reference Post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139517¤tpage=91#1811
Very apathetic. Not very engaging. Not really pushing with "evidence." You had this epiphany where you're going to use reason in your posts? I find it highly suspicious.
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btw feel honored you got my 4k post 
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On November 01 2010 23:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 23:50 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 22:43 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I'm not going to quote YM directly since he seems to be active (wow..).
Why you so active? Day 1 you were hiding in the back not making many waves. Now you want to go after someone who has probably made a "newbie" mistake as though he's just stolen all of the cookies from the cookie jar.
Look at your arguments, and look at other arguments. You're really gunning for someone who we don't really know enough about. And you're kinda throwing random discussion out. Sad to say this is typical of your "pro-town" play. It's also worth noting that we know you're not "just a townie" since you would usually play quiet until you're lynched, making yourself completely useless. How useful your being should determine your alignment... I apologise, I can try be more inactive just for you. What a great argument you have there. I've already said I was afk for basically all of day 1, are you seriously saying you can't see that? Probably made a 'newbie' mistake? It's a pretty huge mistake/scumtell if you looked at it carefully, I don't see why you're letting the cookie thief get away without even a slap on the wrist. I look at my arguments and then I look at the argument I threw out. Pandain and DrH going at it about how DrH has no way of proving he's innocent. Is this argument constructive? No, it will bring nothing new to the table. No analysis, except maybe Pandain's overeagerness of going for DrH. My arguments are designed to punish the liar, the person who got caught red handed in his 'one man hero attempt to save the bodyguard'. I'm still waiting for the counterargument and it's not coming. So yeah, I think I'll go ahead and gun him. I wasn't aware I had a style of being quiet until I'm lynched if I was just a townie. If you could direct me to a game where I did this, please do. Ditto for my typical 'pro-town' play. Oh yeah, how is it worth nothing I'm not 'just a townie'? You realise there are no 'just a townies' in this game, right? Or are you that inactive? I'd appreciate it if you stopped pulling idiotic arguments out. Thank you very much, Well without putting much effort into outting you since you don't know yourself well enough, this was (what looks like) your end-post for Flamewheels game: Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 23:09 youngminii wrote:
I'm a bit sick of this game. I don't think I like playing town roles that much, I'm just not motivated to play, sorry about the afkness. I'm still trying to keep up with what's happening though.
From what I can tell:
Misder = mafia (confirmed)
foolishness = mafia (in my eyes)
So there go my votes. Reference Post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=139517¤tpage=91#1811Very apathetic. Not very engaging. Not really pushing with "evidence." You had this epiphany where you're going to use reason in your posts? I find it highly suspicious.
I was scum. Nice try though. Thanks for the 4000th
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On November 01 2010 23:55 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres
There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.
Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.
I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you. I don't even... What? I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it.
Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role?
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On November 02 2010 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 23:55 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres
There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.
Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.
I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you. I don't even... What? I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it. Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role?
If village idiot get lynched he, alone, wins the game.
I'm not the village idiot
Insania isnt even a village.
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On November 02 2010 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2010 23:55 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres
There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.
Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.
I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you. I don't even... What? I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it. Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role?
It's not a matter of conceding easily. I simply have no defense for myself. I lied to try and protect the Doc, I failed, and I fucked up the game. If I saw a way out of the mess I put myself in, I'd pursue it, but I just cannot see how I would be able to, especially since I've essentially lost any semblance of trustworthiness.
As for the Village Idiot idea, don't you think it's odd for a VI to have a role that encourages survival? Why would that happen? And why would a VI be allowed to vote for himself? That seems like an overpowered role to me.
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On November 02 2010 00:41 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 23:55 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres
There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.
Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.
I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you. I don't even... What? I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it. Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role? It's not a matter of conceding easily. I simply have no defense for myself. I lied to try and protect the Doc, I failed, and I fucked up the game. If I saw a way out of the mess I put myself in, I'd pursue it, but I just cannot see how I would be able to, especially since I've essentially lost any semblance of trustworthiness.
If you have no defense, is there someone else you can point blame on that would be a better alternative than yourself? If you are indeed town, then allowing yourself to be lynched so easily would be a much greater mistake than your fake role claim.
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Village idiot is not really an overpowered role... His goal is to get himself lynched to win. He's not associated with mafia or town. Village idiot being unable to die is like a serial killer that can't kill.
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Why would you not be able to vote for yourself? I voted for myself because i'm scared of forgetting and i didnt want 30 people analysing me because i voted for someone.
meow
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On November 02 2010 00:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 00:41 Aeres wrote:On November 02 2010 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 23:55 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres
There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.
Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.
I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you. I don't even... What? I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it. Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role? It's not a matter of conceding easily. I simply have no defense for myself. I lied to try and protect the Doc, I failed, and I fucked up the game. If I saw a way out of the mess I put myself in, I'd pursue it, but I just cannot see how I would be able to, especially since I've essentially lost any semblance of trustworthiness. If you have no defense, is there someone else you can point blame on that would be a better alternative than yourself? If you are indeed town, then allowing yourself to be lynched so easily would be a much greater mistake than your fake role claim.
I suppose. I'll ponder it a bit.
I agree with the previous sentiment that lurkers are something to consider. Of them, Kenpachi is the most notable, simply because he only speaks when people talk about him, and offers no insight into the game other than his weak dissuasions. He votes without justification, and has a history of doing so in past games.
I dunno what Kenpachi is playing at, but I don't like it.
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On November 02 2010 00:41 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 23:55 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres
There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.
Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.
I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you. I don't even... What? I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it. Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role? It's not a matter of conceding easily. I simply have no defense for myself. I lied to try and protect the Doc, I failed, and I fucked up the game. If I saw a way out of the mess I put myself in, I'd pursue it, but I just cannot see how I would be able to, especially since I've essentially lost any semblance of trustworthiness. As for the Village Idiot idea, don't you think it's odd for a VI to have a role that encourages survival? Why would that happen? And why would a VI be allowed to vote for himself? That seems like an overpowered role to me.
See, but the thing is, not everyone is convinced you should be lynched. I know I'm not. You did a really stupid thing, we know that, and you have acknowledged it. However, I'm not about to bandwagon onto you because of it. I want to see how things develop over the next ~12 hours before I start making my decisions.
But this makes me really question your motives. In what way does your role encourage survival, and why would we know that you are trying to survive, while at the same time trying to suicide?
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I don't see how lynching you now that the damage has been done is a smart idea, unless you are red trying to make us think you are town by offering yourself and hoping people like me and jcarl react the way we are reacting right now.
This is confusing
purr
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