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On November 02 2010 00:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 00:41 Aeres wrote:On November 02 2010 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 23:55 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres
There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.
Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.
I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you. I don't even... What? I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it. Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role? It's not a matter of conceding easily. I simply have no defense for myself. I lied to try and protect the Doc, I failed, and I fucked up the game. If I saw a way out of the mess I put myself in, I'd pursue it, but I just cannot see how I would be able to, especially since I've essentially lost any semblance of trustworthiness. As for the Village Idiot idea, don't you think it's odd for a VI to have a role that encourages survival? Why would that happen? And why would a VI be allowed to vote for himself? That seems like an overpowered role to me. See, but the thing is, not everyone is convinced you should be lynched. I know I'm not. You did a really stupid thing, we know that, and you have acknowledged it. However, I'm not about to bandwagon onto you because of it. I want to see how things develop over the next ~12 hours before I start making my decisions. But this makes me really question your motives. In what way does your role encourage survival, and why would we know that you are trying to survive, while at the same time trying to suicide?
You know what, you're right. I'm not gonna give (you) up, because I'd just be letting (you) down and deserting (you) the town. My lack of defense is spineless at best.
When I get home from school and can stop using my iPhone to make posts, I'll do some analyses on fishy players. Until then, I'm unvoting myself.
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On November 02 2010 01:00 Glasse wrote:
I don't see how lynching you now that the damage has been done is a smart idea, unless you are red trying to make us think you are town by offering yourself and hoping people like me and jcarl react the way we are reacting right now.
This is confusing
purr
:3
I've considered this, obviously, and I do think it is quite possible. Which is why I won't be forgetting it, but I'm not gonna get hung up on it either.
It's ok kitty cat *pets Glasse*
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On November 02 2010 01:02 Aeres wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 00:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 02 2010 00:41 Aeres wrote:On November 02 2010 00:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:On November 01 2010 23:55 youngminii wrote:On November 01 2010 23:44 Aeres wrote:
##Vote Aeres
There's no redemption for me now. I made a bad move as an inexperienced player, and the town suffered because of it. I'm too much of a liability to keep alive, so I am voting for myself to smooth things out when I'm lynched.
Again, I apologize for making such an audacious play. I clearly should have considered the ramifications of my actions better, and because I was hasty, the town is no better off than before. At best, I learned what not to do in a Mafia game.
I don't expect to survive the day, so I'm taking the chance now to say good luck. I let you guys down, but I'm still rooting for you. I don't even... What? I've said time and time again I'm waiting for you to argue. I'm not 100% certain you're scum, I don't think anyone is, and you have this time to point out why we shouldn't lynch you. It is never, ever good town play to lynch yourself unless there's a special scenario/mechanic that directly helps town to do it. Hold on, let's consider something for a second. Why would aeres do this? It doesn't really make sense to concede so easily. Dr.H has said he thinks Glasse could be Village Idiot, and is trying to get lynched. What if Aeres has a role like this? He knew he would be caught in the lie, and wants to get lynched. What happens when the village idiot does get lynched? And an even more important question: what implications could this have if this is a mafia role? It's not a matter of conceding easily. I simply have no defense for myself. I lied to try and protect the Doc, I failed, and I fucked up the game. If I saw a way out of the mess I put myself in, I'd pursue it, but I just cannot see how I would be able to, especially since I've essentially lost any semblance of trustworthiness. As for the Village Idiot idea, don't you think it's odd for a VI to have a role that encourages survival? Why would that happen? And why would a VI be allowed to vote for himself? That seems like an overpowered role to me. See, but the thing is, not everyone is convinced you should be lynched. I know I'm not. You did a really stupid thing, we know that, and you have acknowledged it. However, I'm not about to bandwagon onto you because of it. I want to see how things develop over the next ~12 hours before I start making my decisions. But this makes me really question your motives. In what way does your role encourage survival, and why would we know that you are trying to survive, while at the same time trying to suicide? You know what, you're right. I'm not gonna give (you) up, because I'd just be letting (you) down and deserting (you) the town. My lack of defense is spineless at best. When I get home from school and can stop using my iPhone to make posts, I'll do some analyses on fishy players. Until then, I'm unvoting myself.
10 POINTS FROM AERES
I cannot let you get away with rick rolling so easily
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That's because Aeres is probably a hatter type role that wanted to get hit, so he claimed BG to draw attention to himself and away from more vulnerable/valuable players. He's likely not a VI role, because the revealed roles thusfar are relatively watered down and mafia started with 9 fucking members + there's aids going around (unless the game design is based around town's ability to use murrayitis as a shock and awe town controlled kp attack, which it doesn't seem to be).
The push to get him killed here is pretty understandable due to people loving LAL, but there's zero way someone would vote for themselves as mafia with the usual suspects driving a bus over him. Or rather that would hold unless there was a huge benefit to be gained from him dying. Either a mafia bomb type role (seems unlikely due to plague mechanics) or his death pushes another mafia member into a trusted position vis a vis the town where he can ask for roleclaims.
As for this Young/DrH/Pandain/Infinite circle of morons situation going on, there's a few things which just don't really add up; DrH campaigned on being able to 100% confirm himself and clearly lied about it. LAL should apply to him to, right?
Wrong.
DrH can still confirm himself, but he needs to die for it to happen. I'm not sure if DrH is fumbling for time as his ability gathers information which he'll confirm as valid with a self-kill, but it seems rather odd that young would try to focus attention onto Aeres and cite LAL when LAL can be applied to DrH too. This leads me to believe that DrH/Young are in a circle together, and DrH is feeding him information, which he'll, again, confirm by death.
If it wasn't for that, based on the aeres situation, I'd suggest killing DrH immediately in order to find out what allegiance Aeres has. Aeres is either innocent or sacking himself to benefit another mafia member; there was no benefit to fakeclaiming BG of all roles. This is based on the fact that DrH stands to benefit the most from the diverted attention and post-lynch bragging rights if Aeres flips red.
There's some kind of intense attention-fu going on here to keep us discussing a certain set of facts, which leads me to believe that someone fucked up pretty hard and outed themselves earlier and we're actively being pushed away from that. Given that I kinda just read pages 10,20,30, etc until 80-92, I'm not entirely certain what's being thrown under the rug, but when I get more time and less women offering themselves to me, I'll be sure go over more material in search thereof.
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Something tells me L is embellishing a bit about the womenz.
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On November 02 2010 01:10 Aeres wrote:
Something tells me L is embellishing a bit about the womenz.
pfffft I doubt it.
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Usualy VI roles are easy to see because (from what i've read and saw from other games when i was looking for different roles) They have to act and post a certain way so they can't pull a win so easily. I think we can easily remove that option from the game as no one has been doing that but me, and i'm not VI.(I don't think they are allowed to say stuff like im saying either)
He could be traitor trying to get the mafia to target him to be able to join them in a very weird way.
I think Aeres knows what hes doing and i'm not sure i do yet, which i don't like
I said it, L is pro detective, hes about to start working :3
<:3)~~
OMG A MOUSE
It's going in my accounting class room :O
Gonna chase it for 3 hours or so.
Bai
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We will now be operating under smurf rules
Cause BC is a sleazy man.
Smurf Rules
Undeclared smurf
While the game is in operation, you may not discuss the game with anyone on your real account at all.
All smurfs are considered undeclared unless declared
Declared Smurfs
You must declare your status, and real account to the mods prior to the game
You must inform people of who your smurf account is before discussing the game with your real account
You are bound by the same rules that your smurf is bound by (no PMing others unless allowed, ect.)
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It's nice to know that Glasse has more confidence in me than I do. =/
On November 02 2010 01:31 LSB wrote:
We will now be operating under smurf rules
Cause BC is a sleazy man.
Smurf Rules
Undeclared smurf
While the game is in operation, you may not discuss the game with anyone on your real account at all.
All smurfs are considered undeclared unless declared
Declared Smurfs
You must declare your status, and real account to the mods prior to the game
You must inform people of who your smurf account is before discussing the game with your real account
You are bound by the same rules that your smurf is bound by (no PMing others unless allowed, ect.)
I'm curious, why is this suddenly an issue? Did BC get told info by the mods again?
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On November 02 2010 01:31 LSB wrote:
We will now be operating under smurf rules
Cause BC is a sleazy man.
Smurf Rules
Undeclared smurf
While the game is in operation, you may not discuss the game with anyone on your real account at all.
All smurfs are considered undeclared unless declared
Declared Smurfs
You must declare your status, and real account to the mods prior to the game
You must inform people of who your smurf account is before discussing the game with your real account
You are bound by the same rules that your smurf is bound by (no PMing others unless allowed, ect.)
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Last game BC swindled me into roleclaiming to him.
I don't know if there are any smurfs, but just to clarify
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On November 02 2010 01:44 LSB wrote:
Last game BC swindled me into roleclaiming to him.
I don't know if there are any smurfs, but just to clarify
I didn't swindle shit -_-
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On November 02 2010 01:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 01:44 LSB wrote:
Last game BC swindled me into roleclaiming to him.
I don't know if there are any smurfs, but just to clarify I didn't swindle shit -_-
Silence, swindler!
No, but seriously, a whole day has passed and I'm nowhere near trusting anyone in this game. What the hell is going on?
I don't think that any amount of detective work will clear this up. All we have to do is be honest and try to figure it out logically. There's no way that we'll come up with a good route to win this by casting blame every 3 posts.
I'm willing to trust Dr.H (heck, I voted for him) for today. It's not like we have much to do other than vote anyway.
So, mayor of ours, what are your honest thoughts about who to lynch, and why.
So far, my thoughts are:
Aeres - For lying (not gonna buy that village idiot thing, there are better ways of getting lynched)
Gleese - For being hella annoying (let's all participate in a quick game of kick the cat!) - though I wouldn't vote for him, because he's pushing too hard.
And that's about it. I don't think I'd vote for anyone else as of now. Not that it matters much, you people will keep causing chaos.
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Also, I wasn't suspecting Aeres of being the Village Idiot until he UNvoted for himself. Now it seems like bad-vi-play. I dunno what to say, but since there's no better option, he's still most targeted in my eyes.
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On November 02 2010 01:06 L wrote:
That's because Aeres is probably a hatter type role that wanted to get hit, so he claimed BG to draw attention to himself and away from more vulnerable/valuable players. He's likely not a VI role, because the revealed roles thusfar are relatively watered down and mafia started with 9 fucking members + there's aids going around (unless the game design is based around town's ability to use murrayitis as a shock and awe town controlled kp attack, which it doesn't seem to be).
The push to get him killed here is pretty understandable due to people loving LAL, but there's zero way someone would vote for themselves as mafia with the usual suspects driving a bus over him. Or rather that would hold unless there was a huge benefit to be gained from him dying. Either a mafia bomb type role (seems unlikely due to plague mechanics) or his death pushes another mafia member into a trusted position vis a vis the town where he can ask for roleclaims.
As for this Young/DrH/Pandain/Infinite circle of morons situation going on, there's a few things which just don't really add up; DrH campaigned on being able to 100% confirm himself and clearly lied about it. LAL should apply to him to, right?
Wrong.
DrH can still confirm himself, but he needs to die for it to happen. I'm not sure if DrH is fumbling for time as his ability gathers information which he'll confirm as valid with a self-kill, but it seems rather odd that young would try to focus attention onto Aeres and cite LAL when LAL can be applied to DrH too. This leads me to believe that DrH/Young are in a circle together, and DrH is feeding him information, which he'll, again, confirm by death.
No it can't because I didn't lie about anything. I don't need to die to confirm I only need to have a successful poke. :/
If it wasn't for that, based on the aeres situation, I'd suggest killing DrH immediately in order to find out what allegiance Aeres has. Aeres is either innocent or sacking himself to benefit another mafia member; there was no benefit to fakeclaiming BG of all roles. This is based on the fact that DrH stands to benefit the most from the diverted attention and post-lynch bragging rights if Aeres flips red.
There's some kind of intense attention-fu going on here to keep us discussing a certain set of facts, which leads me to believe that someone fucked up pretty hard and outed themselves earlier and we're actively being pushed away from that. Given that I kinda just read pages 10,20,30, etc until 80-92, I'm not entirely certain what's being thrown under the rug, but when I get more time and less women offering themselves to me, I'll be sure go over more material in search thereof.
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Is anyone willing to consider the possibility that mafia aren't the ones spreading the plague? A lot of people are operating the assumption that mafia are the ones spreading M-rus (as did I, originally interpreting 2+1 as 2 killers + 1 m-rus spreader) but we already know that's not the case since 3 die in a night and because of nodes role
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On November 02 2010 03:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 01:06 L wrote:
That's because Aeres is probably a hatter type role that wanted to get hit, so he claimed BG to draw attention to himself and away from more vulnerable/valuable players. He's likely not a VI role, because the revealed roles thusfar are relatively watered down and mafia started with 9 fucking members + there's aids going around (unless the game design is based around town's ability to use murrayitis as a shock and awe town controlled kp attack, which it doesn't seem to be).
The push to get him killed here is pretty understandable due to people loving LAL, but there's zero way someone would vote for themselves as mafia with the usual suspects driving a bus over him. Or rather that would hold unless there was a huge benefit to be gained from him dying. Either a mafia bomb type role (seems unlikely due to plague mechanics) or his death pushes another mafia member into a trusted position vis a vis the town where he can ask for roleclaims.
As for this Young/DrH/Pandain/Infinite circle of morons situation going on, there's a few things which just don't really add up; DrH campaigned on being able to 100% confirm himself and clearly lied about it. LAL should apply to him to, right?
Wrong.
DrH can still confirm himself, but he needs to die for it to happen. I'm not sure if DrH is fumbling for time as his ability gathers information which he'll confirm as valid with a self-kill, but it seems rather odd that young would try to focus attention onto Aeres and cite LAL when LAL can be applied to DrH too. This leads me to believe that DrH/Young are in a circle together, and DrH is feeding him information, which he'll, again, confirm by death.
No it can't because I didn't lie about anything. I don't need to die to confirm I only need to have a successful poke. :/
If it wasn't for that, based on the aeres situation, I'd suggest killing DrH immediately in order to find out what allegiance Aeres has. Aeres is either innocent or sacking himself to benefit another mafia member; there was no benefit to fakeclaiming BG of all roles. This is based on the fact that DrH stands to benefit the most from the diverted attention and post-lynch bragging rights if Aeres flips red.
There's some kind of intense attention-fu going on here to keep us discussing a certain set of facts, which leads me to believe that someone fucked up pretty hard and outed themselves earlier and we're actively being pushed away from that. Given that I kinda just read pages 10,20,30, etc until 80-92, I'm not entirely certain what's being thrown under the rug, but when I get more time and less women offering themselves to me, I'll be sure go over more material in search thereof.
But if you cannot have a successful poke, no matter what reason, then you can never prove your role. It's that simple.
Oh, the paradox.
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On November 02 2010 03:24 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 03:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 02 2010 01:06 L wrote:
That's because Aeres is probably a hatter type role that wanted to get hit, so he claimed BG to draw attention to himself and away from more vulnerable/valuable players. He's likely not a VI role, because the revealed roles thusfar are relatively watered down and mafia started with 9 fucking members + there's aids going around (unless the game design is based around town's ability to use murrayitis as a shock and awe town controlled kp attack, which it doesn't seem to be).
The push to get him killed here is pretty understandable due to people loving LAL, but there's zero way someone would vote for themselves as mafia with the usual suspects driving a bus over him. Or rather that would hold unless there was a huge benefit to be gained from him dying. Either a mafia bomb type role (seems unlikely due to plague mechanics) or his death pushes another mafia member into a trusted position vis a vis the town where he can ask for roleclaims.
As for this Young/DrH/Pandain/Infinite circle of morons situation going on, there's a few things which just don't really add up; DrH campaigned on being able to 100% confirm himself and clearly lied about it. LAL should apply to him to, right?
Wrong.
DrH can still confirm himself, but he needs to die for it to happen. I'm not sure if DrH is fumbling for time as his ability gathers information which he'll confirm as valid with a self-kill, but it seems rather odd that young would try to focus attention onto Aeres and cite LAL when LAL can be applied to DrH too. This leads me to believe that DrH/Young are in a circle together, and DrH is feeding him information, which he'll, again, confirm by death.
No it can't because I didn't lie about anything. I don't need to die to confirm I only need to have a successful poke. :/
If it wasn't for that, based on the aeres situation, I'd suggest killing DrH immediately in order to find out what allegiance Aeres has. Aeres is either innocent or sacking himself to benefit another mafia member; there was no benefit to fakeclaiming BG of all roles. This is based on the fact that DrH stands to benefit the most from the diverted attention and post-lynch bragging rights if Aeres flips red.
There's some kind of intense attention-fu going on here to keep us discussing a certain set of facts, which leads me to believe that someone fucked up pretty hard and outed themselves earlier and we're actively being pushed away from that. Given that I kinda just read pages 10,20,30, etc until 80-92, I'm not entirely certain what's being thrown under the rug, but when I get more time and less women offering themselves to me, I'll be sure go over more material in search thereof. But if you cannot have a successful poke, no matter what reason, then you can never prove your role. It's that simple. Oh, the paradox.
Well then that means every other player will be able to operate their night actions without restraint. If a player other than DrH was roleblocked that might be a bit suspicious...
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On November 02 2010 03:28 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2010 03:24 Fishball wrote:On November 02 2010 03:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On November 02 2010 01:06 L wrote:
That's because Aeres is probably a hatter type role that wanted to get hit, so he claimed BG to draw attention to himself and away from more vulnerable/valuable players. He's likely not a VI role, because the revealed roles thusfar are relatively watered down and mafia started with 9 fucking members + there's aids going around (unless the game design is based around town's ability to use murrayitis as a shock and awe town controlled kp attack, which it doesn't seem to be).
The push to get him killed here is pretty understandable due to people loving LAL, but there's zero way someone would vote for themselves as mafia with the usual suspects driving a bus over him. Or rather that would hold unless there was a huge benefit to be gained from him dying. Either a mafia bomb type role (seems unlikely due to plague mechanics) or his death pushes another mafia member into a trusted position vis a vis the town where he can ask for roleclaims.
As for this Young/DrH/Pandain/Infinite circle of morons situation going on, there's a few things which just don't really add up; DrH campaigned on being able to 100% confirm himself and clearly lied about it. LAL should apply to him to, right?
Wrong.
DrH can still confirm himself, but he needs to die for it to happen. I'm not sure if DrH is fumbling for time as his ability gathers information which he'll confirm as valid with a self-kill, but it seems rather odd that young would try to focus attention onto Aeres and cite LAL when LAL can be applied to DrH too. This leads me to believe that DrH/Young are in a circle together, and DrH is feeding him information, which he'll, again, confirm by death.
No it can't because I didn't lie about anything. I don't need to die to confirm I only need to have a successful poke. :/
If it wasn't for that, based on the aeres situation, I'd suggest killing DrH immediately in order to find out what allegiance Aeres has. Aeres is either innocent or sacking himself to benefit another mafia member; there was no benefit to fakeclaiming BG of all roles. This is based on the fact that DrH stands to benefit the most from the diverted attention and post-lynch bragging rights if Aeres flips red.
There's some kind of intense attention-fu going on here to keep us discussing a certain set of facts, which leads me to believe that someone fucked up pretty hard and outed themselves earlier and we're actively being pushed away from that. Given that I kinda just read pages 10,20,30, etc until 80-92, I'm not entirely certain what's being thrown under the rug, but when I get more time and less women offering themselves to me, I'll be sure go over more material in search thereof. But if you cannot have a successful poke, no matter what reason, then you can never prove your role. It's that simple. Oh, the paradox. Well then that means every other player will be able to operate their night actions without restraint. If a player other than DrH was roleblocked that might be a bit suspicious...
It is still possible that jcarlsoniv or that there was a role that prevent people from acting on him rather than preventing me from acting at all. Or that jcarls did get poked and is not telling the truth about it. I feel that it's most likely I was simply roleblocked though.
I'm not backing down on the statement that I can confirm myself 100% to another player the same way a normal cop can 100% investigate another player, or a plague doctor can 100% cure the M-Rus. My night action has to happen though. That much should have obvious to EVERYONE when I roleclaimed and explained in detail how my role works.
If there is a roleblocker it may be very likely he can't even roleblock me twice in a row.
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