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On October 31 2010 07:04 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity?
I'm talking about suspicions based on post behavior purely. The inactives who voted in my bandwagon are on my radar, but I'm not considering them for a day 1 lynch.
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United States4053 Posts
On October 31 2010 07:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:04 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity? I'm talking about suspicions based on post behavior purely. The inactives who voted in my bandwagon are on my radar, but I'm not considering them for a day 1 lynch. Youngminii and SiNiquity have virtually identical posting histories in this thread, though.
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Artanis told me he would like my top 3 candidates rather than my 1st. There are situations in which my top candidate may not be lynched and he would have to default to second choice.
I think this would be information I should share with the town.
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On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. you put in that list those people who you had personal conflict with and has nothing to do with the whole town. Typical Mafia action type. Since you most likely gona be mayor, it would said no more but the way you play the role is mostly "for your own goods" and i have to admitt that i dont like it.
Its either gona be just like last game where you are mafia and accuse me for having mafia action or you are planing to kill 5 people base on the fact that you DONT LIKE them. oh well
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On October 31 2010 07:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Artanis told me he would like my top 3 candidates rather than my 1st. There are situations in which my top candidate may not be lynched and he would have to default to second choice. Confirmed.
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On October 31 2010 07:06 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 07:04 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity? I'm talking about suspicions based on post behavior purely. The inactives who voted in my bandwagon are on my radar, but I'm not considering them for a day 1 lynch. Youngminii and SiNiquity have virtually identical posting histories in this thread, though. Could you show me SiNiquitys similar post? I remember Young's post because I called him out on it but I don't actually recall any of SiN's posts.
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Just because some of them heavily disagreed with you doesn't mean you should lynch them. It's Day 1, you don't have any information beyond your suspicions. Don't lynch an active player unless they've done something extremely scummy to the point that most of the town can agree on it.
Of your 5 listed players:
Youngminii and NB are the most suspect to me. Youngminii for his vote with no early explanation in the game and his inactivity ever since, and NB for that alarming post he made about 10? pages back. Other than that the rest of those posters are active and you'd be making a big mistake lynching any of them. If they are active and you suspect them to be Scum you can always trap them later.
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On October 31 2010 07:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Artanis told me he would like my top 3 candidates rather than my 1st. There are situations in which my top candidate may not be lynched and he would have to default to second choice.
I think this would be information I should share with the town.
so a role that can't be lynched hmm...
if this is true then there is probably a tree stump as well, who can't die or vote after he roleclaims
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On October 31 2010 07:08 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. you put in that list those people who you had personal conflict with and has nothing to do with the whole town. Typical Mafia action type. Since you most likely gona be mayor, it would said no more but the way you play the role is mostly "for your own goods" and i have to admitt that i dont like it. Its either gona be just like last game where you are mafia and accuse me for having mafia action or you are planing to kill 5 people base on the fact that you DONT LIKE them. oh well
I never had a conflict with youngminii, we voted for the same candidate !!!
Who do you suspect of being scum outside of that. I'm willing to listen to your list of suspects but right now it just looks like you're defending them and yourself by attacking me ;o
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On October 31 2010 06:50 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:43 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:38 Aeres wrote:On October 31 2010 06:28 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1.5 hours to go Doctorhelvetica: 12 Doctorhelvetica LunarDestiny Aeres jcarlsoniv Node SiNiquity Meapak_Ziphh Veldril CubEdIn Amber[LighT] Kenpachi Elder vote
Bumatlarge: 6 Bumatlarge Ace Lexpar Divinek deconduo infundibulum
Fishball: 5 youngminii orgolove Fishball Misder KtheZ
Pandain: 3 Nemesis Coagulation Pandain
Brownbear: 1 Brownbear
DCLXVI: 1 DCLXVI
kingjames01: 1 kingjames01
annul: 1 annul
kitaman27: 1 kitaman27
Glasse: 1 Glasse
infinitestory: 1 infinitestory
ghrur: 1 ghrur
NB: 1 NB
Not voted yet: 5 Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys bet it's a special role which gets 1 extra vote (since there are only 11 people voting for you) You must have miscounted. Including this "Elder" fellow, there are 12 votes for the Doc. So, maybe the role you're talking about has been nerfed for this game, or has some other power in conjunction with vote anonymity. fuck i assumed it meant that one person in the list gets an extra vote, which is listed as "Elder" I was reading a bunch of roles on mafiascum wiki and i saw something interesting. The "elder" could be only able to vote on 1 target, but give 2 votes. which means one of the voters has 2 votes. Now look at the first vote count where elder wasnt and the vote count where vote is. Now this could have been a PM he held off until now but it could also be someone that was just added and counted as 2 People added to his list that could have 2 votes : SiNiquity Meapak_Ziphh Veldril CubEdIn Amber[LighT] Kenpachi
This is interesting. It's sort of like a mini-Mayor without the protection, and with some privacy? Would the two votes have to be for the same person? Or could it possibly be someone who voted elsewhere, but then secretly voted for Dr.H so people don't know that's where he really wants his vote? I wonder what other applications it has, it sounds like it's just useful for helping rig elections. Additionally, do you think it's coupled with another power, or a standalone role?
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On October 31 2010 06:25 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 31 2010 06:02 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 05:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I think what he meant in the first two points was that he believes that your safety in the circle won't be compromised if you aren't Mayor, but we cannot fully trust the circle itself if you are Mayor. At least that's what I got out of it. I did say "I think I know what you mean". I'm just picking on the wording he used. On October 31 2010 05:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:
You are withholding more than just your role. You are withholding who the members of the circle are. We don't necessarily need to know their roles, but we need to know that the circle exists. If there is scum in the circle (which you yourself have admitted you think there probably is), then all of the Mafia already know that the circle exists, and they know who every member in the circle is. On the other hand, the town is completely left in the dark about whether or not the circle exists because nobody in it has stepped forward.
What you are essentially doing is keeping information away from the town that the Mafia probably already has. ??? So you're asking the exact same question he did, which I replied. - "If you're still talking about the members, then refer to the answer above." - "If it is the latter, then I have replied to this at least a couple times already. Click here and here" I have read your posts, but I still don't understand why you're hiding it from us. It would be nice if the circle members stepped forward, but at this point I want YOU to tell us who is in the circle. Give us names. Why are you keeping this information from the town when the Mafia most likely already has it? I'm still waiting. Do I have to announce in detail on every little update I make in my head, up to the minute? - I've already PM'd the three "relatively" active members and ask whether they would agree to come out or not. - The others flat out haven't posted in the thread and I rather see them mod-killed, as it hurts the game more than anything regardless of alignment. - This is also one of the reasons why I'm not really pushing so hard for Mayor now, as if the circle falls, my role is useless and vice versa (The circle needs me). I already said I might announce my role even if I don't get Mayor, so if I do announce it, it will easily make sense. - If I don't hear much feed back in a couple hours, it is very likely I'll just announce the list of members and my role. This is all I'm going to say for now. I don't expect you to vote for me based on all the previous information I've provided, but if people simply can't stand waiting in the so called "darkness", then so be it.
I am not asking you to give us every detail you are thinking of. I am only asking for names. The longer you hold this information from the town, the longer the Mafia can talk about what to do without, and the less time we will be able to. At this point you are crippling the town.
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United States4053 Posts
On October 31 2010 07:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:06 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 07:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 07:04 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity? I'm talking about suspicions based on post behavior purely. The inactives who voted in my bandwagon are on my radar, but I'm not considering them for a day 1 lynch. Youngminii and SiNiquity have virtually identical posting histories in this thread, though. Could you show me SiNiquitys similar post? I remember Young's post because I called him out on it but I don't actually recall any of SiN's posts. That's because he only has one, same as youngminii.
On October 30 2010 11:19 SiNiquity wrote: Mayor gets extra vote (meh) + protection (neat). And a kill on day 1 (eh). So strong blue role should be mayor right, and Dr. H. is the strongest I've seen posted. Pretty much all he says, aside from reiterating the obvious about the mayor, is "DrH is a good mayor candidate" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161289¤tpage=33#652
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On October 31 2010 07:09 Ace wrote: Just because some of them heavily disagreed with you doesn't mean you should lynch them. It's Day 1, you don't have any information beyond your suspicions. Don't lynch an active player unless they've done something extremely scummy to the point that most of the town can agree on it.
Of your 5 listed players:
Youngminii and NB are the most suspect to me. Youngminii for his vote with no early explanation in the game and his inactivity ever since, and NB for that alarming post he made about 10? pages back. Other than that the rest of those posters are active and you'd be making a big mistake lynching any of them. If they are active and you suspect them to be Scum you can always trap them later.
So lynch an inactive like Kenpachi you think?
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On October 31 2010 07:10 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 07:06 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 07:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 07:04 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 07:00 Fishball wrote:On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. I like how none of the players who voted for you are on that list DrH, is there a particular reason you suspect youngminii and not Kenpachi nor SiNiquity? I'm talking about suspicions based on post behavior purely. The inactives who voted in my bandwagon are on my radar, but I'm not considering them for a day 1 lynch. Youngminii and SiNiquity have virtually identical posting histories in this thread, though. Could you show me SiNiquitys similar post? I remember Young's post because I called him out on it but I don't actually recall any of SiN's posts. That's because he only has one, same as youngminii. Show nested quote +On October 30 2010 11:19 SiNiquity wrote: Mayor gets extra vote (meh) + protection (neat). And a kill on day 1 (eh). So strong blue role should be mayor right, and Dr. H. is the strongest I've seen posted. Pretty much all he says, aside from reiterating the obvious about the mayor, is "DrH is a good mayor candidate" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161289¤tpage=33#652 Alright, I didn't catch that. SiNiquity is the kind of player who usually has an analysis of some sort to post as well, but I do remember him being largely inactive at the beginning of brownbears mafia.
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On October 31 2010 07:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:50 Glasse wrote:On October 31 2010 06:43 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:38 Aeres wrote:On October 31 2010 06:28 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1.5 hours to go Doctorhelvetica: 12 Doctorhelvetica LunarDestiny Aeres jcarlsoniv Node SiNiquity Meapak_Ziphh Veldril CubEdIn Amber[LighT] Kenpachi Elder vote
Bumatlarge: 6 Bumatlarge Ace Lexpar Divinek deconduo infundibulum
Fishball: 5 youngminii orgolove Fishball Misder KtheZ
Pandain: 3 Nemesis Coagulation Pandain
Brownbear: 1 Brownbear
DCLXVI: 1 DCLXVI
kingjames01: 1 kingjames01
annul: 1 annul
kitaman27: 1 kitaman27
Glasse: 1 Glasse
infinitestory: 1 infinitestory
ghrur: 1 ghrur
NB: 1 NB
Not voted yet: 5 Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys bet it's a special role which gets 1 extra vote (since there are only 11 people voting for you) You must have miscounted. Including this "Elder" fellow, there are 12 votes for the Doc. So, maybe the role you're talking about has been nerfed for this game, or has some other power in conjunction with vote anonymity. fuck i assumed it meant that one person in the list gets an extra vote, which is listed as "Elder" I was reading a bunch of roles on mafiascum wiki and i saw something interesting. The "elder" could be only able to vote on 1 target, but give 2 votes. which means one of the voters has 2 votes. Now look at the first vote count where elder wasnt and the vote count where vote is. Now this could have been a PM he held off until now but it could also be someone that was just added and counted as 2 People added to his list that could have 2 votes : SiNiquity Meapak_Ziphh Veldril CubEdIn Amber[LighT] Kenpachi This is interesting. It's sort of like a mini-Mayor without the protection, and with some privacy? Would the two votes have to be for the same person? Or could it possibly be someone who voted elsewhere, but then secretly voted for Dr.H so people don't know that's where he really wants his vote? I wonder what other applications it has, it sounds like it's just useful for helping rig elections. Additionally, do you think it's coupled with another power, or a standalone role?
Besides screwing with votes, as players die off Elders become more powerful. +1 vote is brutal in the game which is why when people mistakenly said Mayor just gets +1 vote what's the big deal I made an issue of it.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum.
Lol, bring it. I just love how your entire decision making regarding possible lynch targets have been guided by your personal grudge, irregardless of the actual facts at hand. You'll eat your words.
See here people. As early as a day ago, DrH proclaimed that if chosen as a mayor, he'll be lynching youngminii based on his posting actions. But now he has immediately switched to the most persistent critic that "dare question a TL veteran."
Are you seriously going to elect a guy who so openly flaunts his lack of judgment? Who's to say he won't target the next critic of his reign, all the way until there's no town left?
And are you seriously going to elect a "Mr Sticky," whose role has no direct applications to scumhunting? Even the best scenario he himself brings forth involves 1. multiple people being truthful and trustworthy 2. the same group of people remaining coordinated OVER TWO DAYS
And all that to confirm what? that ONE guy had the disease, which still won't do any harm unless the mafia's practically won the game.
There has to be a better role to be suitable as position of a mayor.
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On October 31 2010 07:09 Ace wrote: Youngminii for his vote with no early explanation in the game and his inactivity ever since, and NB for that alarming post he made about 10? pages back. Do you mean this post?
On October 30 2010 12:13 NB wrote: so we have 3 main candidates: Panda, dish, doctor... Who of you will promise to protect me from scums? :3 This one is one of the reasons I'm a bit leery of NB's intentions. What exactly is motivating him to seek cover from the Mafia, and what incentive is there to oblige him?
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On October 31 2010 07:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:50 Glasse wrote:On October 31 2010 06:43 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:38 Aeres wrote:On October 31 2010 06:28 infinitestory wrote:On October 31 2010 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: 1.5 hours to go Doctorhelvetica: 12 Doctorhelvetica LunarDestiny Aeres jcarlsoniv Node SiNiquity Meapak_Ziphh Veldril CubEdIn Amber[LighT] Kenpachi Elder vote
Bumatlarge: 6 Bumatlarge Ace Lexpar Divinek deconduo infundibulum
Fishball: 5 youngminii orgolove Fishball Misder KtheZ
Pandain: 3 Nemesis Coagulation Pandain
Brownbear: 1 Brownbear
DCLXVI: 1 DCLXVI
kingjames01: 1 kingjames01
annul: 1 annul
kitaman27: 1 kitaman27
Glasse: 1 Glasse
infinitestory: 1 infinitestory
ghrur: 1 ghrur
NB: 1 NB
Not voted yet: 5 Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys bet it's a special role which gets 1 extra vote (since there are only 11 people voting for you) You must have miscounted. Including this "Elder" fellow, there are 12 votes for the Doc. So, maybe the role you're talking about has been nerfed for this game, or has some other power in conjunction with vote anonymity. fuck i assumed it meant that one person in the list gets an extra vote, which is listed as "Elder" I was reading a bunch of roles on mafiascum wiki and i saw something interesting. The "elder" could be only able to vote on 1 target, but give 2 votes. which means one of the voters has 2 votes. Now look at the first vote count where elder wasnt and the vote count where vote is. Now this could have been a PM he held off until now but it could also be someone that was just added and counted as 2 People added to his list that could have 2 votes : SiNiquity Meapak_Ziphh Veldril CubEdIn Amber[LighT] Kenpachi This is interesting. It's sort of like a mini-Mayor without the protection, and with some privacy? Would the two votes have to be for the same person? Or could it possibly be someone who voted elsewhere, but then secretly voted for Dr.H so people don't know that's where he really wants his vote? I wonder what other applications it has, it sounds like it's just useful for helping rig elections. Additionally, do you think it's coupled with another power, or a standalone role?
I think having 2 votes is a big power and probably don't have another action. They could, however, be able to vote for someone else for their second vote.
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On October 31 2010 07:14 orgolove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On October 31 2010 06:55 Nemesis wrote: Wow looks like things finally calmed down.
So it seems that you will probably win this election? Who will you be lynching? I'll give my list of considerations and we can talk about it as town: orgolove NB youngminii kitaman27 coagulation that's about in order of how much I suspect them of being possible scum. Lol, bring it. I just love how your entire decision making regarding possible lynch targets have been guided by your personal grudge, irregardless of the actual facts at hand. You'll eat your words. See here people. As early as a day ago, DrH proclaimed that if chosen as a mayor, he'll be lynching youngminii based on his posting actions. But now he has immediately switched to the most persistent critic that "dare question a TL veteran." Are you seriously going to elect a guy who so openly flaunts his lack of judgment? Who's to say he won't target the next critic of his reign, all the way until there's no town left? And are you seriously going to elect a "Mr Sticky," whose role has no direct applications to scumhunting? Even the best scenario he himself brings forth involves 1. multiple people being truthful and trustworthy 2. the same group of people remaining coordinated OVER TWO DAYS And all that to confirm what? that ONE guy had the disease, which still won't do any harm unless the mafia's practically won the game. There has to be a better role to be suitable as position of a mayor.
this is one of the scummiest posts I've ever read
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On October 31 2010 07:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2010 07:09 Ace wrote: Just because some of them heavily disagreed with you doesn't mean you should lynch them. It's Day 1, you don't have any information beyond your suspicions. Don't lynch an active player unless they've done something extremely scummy to the point that most of the town can agree on it.
Of your 5 listed players:
Youngminii and NB are the most suspect to me. Youngminii for his vote with no early explanation in the game and his inactivity ever since, and NB for that alarming post he made about 10? pages back. Other than that the rest of those posters are active and you'd be making a big mistake lynching any of them. If they are active and you suspect them to be Scum you can always trap them later. So lynch an inactive like Kenpachi you think?
I agree with Ace in this sense. Since we have so little information, lynching actives all willy-nilly could be dangerous. Youngminii should be looked at, as well as SiNiquity because of their vague support posts. Kenpachi should definitely be looked at because his vote was very late and he hasn't posted once in the thread.
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