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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
October 30 2010 21:08 GMT
#881
Top suspects:
Kenpachi
SiNiquity
youngminii

in no particular order

reason: stealthily voting without posting any comprehensive thoughts or reasoning. TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them.
Translator:3
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
October 30 2010 21:08 GMT
#882
On October 31 2010 05:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 05:50 Glasse wrote:
I made a list with what i think people are.

+ Show Spoiler +

1. DoctorHelvetica
2. Hyperbola
3. Bumatlarge
4. Veldril
5. Pandain
6. Aeres
7. deconduo
8. Coagulation
9. annul
10. infundibulum
11. Amber[LighT]
12. Kenpachi
13. lol1221
14. Nemesis
15. ghrur
16. KtheZ
17. QuickStriker
18. CubEdIn
19. Meapak_Ziphh
20. SiNiquity
21. DCLXVI
22. Divinek
23. Lexpar
24. ShmotZ
25. Orgolove
26. Node
27. youngminii
28. jcarlsoniv
29. BrownBear
30. Infinitestory
31. Masq
32. NB

33. Glasse
34 Misder
35. kingjames01
36. Ace
37. Fishball
38. kitaman27
39. LunarDestiny



your posting is funny and cute but honestly at this point you are shitting up the thread. I'm requesting that you please stop, no one wants to wade through a bunch of your spam and god forbid someone take your current nonsense seriously.

I don't think that's fair to accuse Glasse of shitting up the thread when I've done more of it than he has. If anything, blame me. = /

On October 31 2010 05:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 05:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On October 31 2010 05:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
One thing I want to point out:


On October 31 2010 05:01 Kenpachi wrote:
##Elect DoctorHelvetica



From voting thread. Kenpachi has not posted once since the game started. Let's keep a closer eye on lurkers than we did in Haunted.

I started a list of lurkers but it's as home, if a list isn't posted by 8 or so tonigh when I get home I'll post mine.

Another quick reason why to vote for doc, he's already stated his day one lynch would be youngminii who so far has been the scummiest player.


I no longer feel youngminii is the scummiest.

In fact I would like to hear from every townie who their #1 suspect is of scum, if they have one at all. I would like to hear other peoples opinions. There has been a lot of campaign shitflinging and very little scumhunting of any sort. I don't think the mafia feel very pressured right now.

If I had to go with my gut instinct, I'd say either NB or ghrur. I have nothing concrete on either of them, but they feel somehow... strange. Not fishy, that's too cliché... merely strange.
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
October 30 2010 21:08 GMT
#883
On October 31 2010 06:08 infinitestory wrote:


TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them.


not the smartest thing to say imo :3
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 30 2010 21:14 GMT
#884
On October 31 2010 06:02 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 05:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:

I think what he meant in the first two points was that he believes that your safety in the circle won't be compromised if you aren't Mayor, but we cannot fully trust the circle itself if you are Mayor. At least that's what I got out of it.


I did say "I think I know what you mean". I'm just picking on the wording he used.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 05:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:

You are withholding more than just your role. You are withholding who the members of the circle are. We don't necessarily need to know their roles, but we need to know that the circle exists. If there is scum in the circle (which you yourself have admitted you think there probably is), then all of the Mafia already know that the circle exists, and they know who every member in the circle is. On the other hand, the town is completely left in the dark about whether or not the circle exists because nobody in it has stepped forward.

What you are essentially doing is keeping information away from the town that the Mafia probably already has.


??? So you're asking the exact same question he did, which I replied.
- "If you're still talking about the members, then refer to the answer above."
- "If it is the latter, then I have replied to this at least a couple times already. Click here and here"


I have read your posts, but I still don't understand why you're hiding it from us. It would be nice if the circle members stepped forward, but at this point I want YOU to tell us who is in the circle. Give us names. Why are you keeping this information from the town when the Mafia most likely already has it?
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infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
October 30 2010 21:14 GMT
#885
On October 31 2010 06:08 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 06:08 infinitestory wrote:


TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them.


not the smartest thing to say imo :3

In Mafia XXXI, we had a huge number of people either:
1) posting but without real content
2) posting hardly at all
which hindered proper analysis. Like jcarlsoniv said, we need to keep a much better eye on lurkers. I'm not sure why you think that's not smart.

also,
1) posting but without real content
this is a hint
Translator:3
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
October 30 2010 21:19 GMT
#886
My suspects would be
Youngminii: scummy posting
Kenpachi: stealth voting
And I still have this lingering suspicion of bumatlarge and fishball, this is probably me just being paranoid but I feel like they are related somehow. Also youngminii supports fishball, and bumatlarge has a bandwagon that uses the same platform pandain did (the "I'm not fishball" platform). These are probably baseless and I'm just inexperienced but... They just make me nervous.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
October 30 2010 21:22 GMT
#887
On October 31 2010 06:14 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 06:08 Glasse wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:08 infinitestory wrote:


TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them.


not the smartest thing to say imo :3

In Mafia XXXI, we had a huge number of people either:
1) posting but without real content
2) posting hardly at all
which hindered proper analysis. Like jcarlsoniv said, we need to keep a much better eye on lurkers. I'm not sure why you think that's not smart.

also,
1) posting but without real content
this is a hint

....
ok i'll stop posting. i'll post whenever i die to say bai.

just answering this though:

so saying that you want to pressure em into posting is smart?


just saying what he said before that sentence was enough, this just meant "hey, please post now, i'll read your post 100 times to see if i can find information in it"
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 21:23 GMT
#888
On October 31 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 06:14 infinitestory wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:08 Glasse wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:08 infinitestory wrote:


TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them.


not the smartest thing to say imo :3

In Mafia XXXI, we had a huge number of people either:
1) posting but without real content
2) posting hardly at all
which hindered proper analysis. Like jcarlsoniv said, we need to keep a much better eye on lurkers. I'm not sure why you think that's not smart.

also,
1) posting but without real content
this is a hint

....
ok i'll stop posting. i'll post whenever i die to say bai.

just answering this though:

so saying that you want to pressure em into posting is smart?


just saying what he said before that sentence was enough, this just meant "hey, please post now, i'll read your post 100 times to see if i can find information in it"


versus letting them lurk and having mafia slip through the cracks of inactivity, yes it is smart. a mafia under no pressure can sit back and watch town kill eachother, it's ideal.
RIP Aaliyah
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
October 30 2010 21:25 GMT
#889
On October 31 2010 06:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 06:02 Fishball wrote:
On October 31 2010 05:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:

I think what he meant in the first two points was that he believes that your safety in the circle won't be compromised if you aren't Mayor, but we cannot fully trust the circle itself if you are Mayor. At least that's what I got out of it.


I did say "I think I know what you mean". I'm just picking on the wording he used.

On October 31 2010 05:19 jcarlsoniv wrote:

You are withholding more than just your role. You are withholding who the members of the circle are. We don't necessarily need to know their roles, but we need to know that the circle exists. If there is scum in the circle (which you yourself have admitted you think there probably is), then all of the Mafia already know that the circle exists, and they know who every member in the circle is. On the other hand, the town is completely left in the dark about whether or not the circle exists because nobody in it has stepped forward.

What you are essentially doing is keeping information away from the town that the Mafia probably already has.


??? So you're asking the exact same question he did, which I replied.
- "If you're still talking about the members, then refer to the answer above."
- "If it is the latter, then I have replied to this at least a couple times already. Click here and here"


I have read your posts, but I still don't understand why you're hiding it from us. It would be nice if the circle members stepped forward, but at this point I want YOU to tell us who is in the circle. Give us names. Why are you keeping this information from the town when the Mafia most likely already has it?


I'm still waiting.
Do I have to announce in detail on every little update I make in my head, up to the minute?

- I've already PM'd the three "relatively" active members and ask whether they would agree to come out or not.
- The others flat out haven't posted in the thread and I rather see them mod-killed, as it hurts the game more than anything regardless of alignment.
- This is also one of the reasons why I'm not really pushing so hard for Mayor now, as if the circle falls, my role is useless and vice versa (The circle needs me). I already said I might announce my role even if I don't get Mayor, so if I do announce it, it will easily make sense.
- If I don't hear much feed back in a couple hours, it is very likely I'll just announce the list of members and my role.

This is all I'm going to say for now. I don't expect you to vote for me based on all the previous information I've provided, but if people simply can't stand waiting in the so called "darkness", then so be it.

靈魂交響曲
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 21:26 GMT
#890
On October 31 2010 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1.5 hours to go
Doctorhelvetica: 12
Doctorhelvetica
LunarDestiny
Aeres
jcarlsoniv
Node
SiNiquity
Meapak_Ziphh
Veldril
CubEdIn
Amber[LighT]
Kenpachi
Elder vote

Bumatlarge: 6
Bumatlarge
Ace
Lexpar
Divinek
deconduo
infundibulum

Fishball: 5
youngminii
orgolove
Fishball
Misder
KtheZ

Pandain: 3
Nemesis
Coagulation
Pandain

Brownbear: 1
Brownbear

DCLXVI: 1
DCLXVI

kingjames01: 1
kingjames01

annul: 1
annul

kitaman27: 1
kitaman27

Glasse: 1
Glasse

infinitestory: 1
infinitestory

ghrur: 1
ghrur

NB: 1
NB



Not voted yet: 5
Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq


hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys
RIP Aaliyah
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
October 30 2010 21:27 GMT
#891
On October 31 2010 06:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:14 infinitestory wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:08 Glasse wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:08 infinitestory wrote:


TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them.


not the smartest thing to say imo :3

In Mafia XXXI, we had a huge number of people either:
1) posting but without real content
2) posting hardly at all
which hindered proper analysis. Like jcarlsoniv said, we need to keep a much better eye on lurkers. I'm not sure why you think that's not smart.

also,
1) posting but without real content
this is a hint

....
ok i'll stop posting. i'll post whenever i die to say bai.

just answering this though:

so saying that you want to pressure em into posting is smart?


just saying what he said before that sentence was enough, this just meant "hey, please post now, i'll read your post 100 times to see if i can find information in it"


versus letting them lurk and having mafia slip through the cracks of inactivity, yes it is smart. a mafia under no pressure can sit back and watch town kill eachother, it's ideal.


wtf is wrong with you, i facepalmed

saying the part of your plan that should stay in your head out in the open is stupid
fuck
sorry couldn't hold it
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
October 30 2010 21:28 GMT
#892
It means the Tolkien elves are voting for you, you can't lose now.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
infinitestory
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4053 Posts
October 30 2010 21:28 GMT
#893
On October 31 2010 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1.5 hours to go
Doctorhelvetica: 12
Doctorhelvetica
LunarDestiny
Aeres
jcarlsoniv
Node
SiNiquity
Meapak_Ziphh
Veldril
CubEdIn
Amber[LighT]
Kenpachi
Elder vote

Bumatlarge: 6
Bumatlarge
Ace
Lexpar
Divinek
deconduo
infundibulum

Fishball: 5
youngminii
orgolove
Fishball
Misder
KtheZ

Pandain: 3
Nemesis
Coagulation
Pandain

Brownbear: 1
Brownbear

DCLXVI: 1
DCLXVI

kingjames01: 1
kingjames01

annul: 1
annul

kitaman27: 1
kitaman27

Glasse: 1
Glasse

infinitestory: 1
infinitestory

ghrur: 1
ghrur

NB: 1
NB



Not voted yet: 5
Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq


hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys


bet it's a special role which gets 1 extra vote (since there are only 11 people voting for you)
Translator:3
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
October 30 2010 21:29 GMT
#894
We've had similar roles in previous games before. Basically a role that gets an extra vote, and would show up anonymously as "elder".

To be quite bold, I don't like the band wagon you're getting. There are quite a few players that have voted for you, I consider "suspicious" in my books.
靈魂交響曲
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 21:33 GMT
#895
On October 31 2010 06:29 Fishball wrote:
We've had similar roles in previous games before. Basically a role that gets an extra vote, and would show up anonymously as "elder".

To be quite bold, I don't like the band wagon you're getting. There are quite a few players that have voted for you, I consider "suspicious" in my books.

My only defense is that the last time I was a scum mayor I specifically ordered the mafia to create a "close win" and have me win by 1 or 2 votes.

Doubtlessly there are mafia in this bandwagon though.

On October 31 2010 06:27 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 06:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:14 infinitestory wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:08 Glasse wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:08 infinitestory wrote:


TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them.


not the smartest thing to say imo :3

In Mafia XXXI, we had a huge number of people either:
1) posting but without real content
2) posting hardly at all
which hindered proper analysis. Like jcarlsoniv said, we need to keep a much better eye on lurkers. I'm not sure why you think that's not smart.

also,
1) posting but without real content
this is a hint

....
ok i'll stop posting. i'll post whenever i die to say bai.

just answering this though:

so saying that you want to pressure em into posting is smart?


just saying what he said before that sentence was enough, this just meant "hey, please post now, i'll read your post 100 times to see if i can find information in it"


versus letting them lurk and having mafia slip through the cracks of inactivity, yes it is smart. a mafia under no pressure can sit back and watch town kill eachother, it's ideal.


wtf is wrong with you, i facepalmed

saying the part of your plan that should stay in your head out in the open is stupid
fuck
sorry couldn't hold it


What are you talking about? Why is it bad to pressure/force inactives to post? Why would we want people to just stay inactive and get away with it when mafia can just hide amongsts them and never get pressured...
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 21:33 GMT
#896
On October 31 2010 06:28 infinitestory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 31 2010 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
1.5 hours to go
Doctorhelvetica: 12
Doctorhelvetica
LunarDestiny
Aeres
jcarlsoniv
Node
SiNiquity
Meapak_Ziphh
Veldril
CubEdIn
Amber[LighT]
Kenpachi
Elder vote

Bumatlarge: 6
Bumatlarge
Ace
Lexpar
Divinek
deconduo
infundibulum

Fishball: 5
youngminii
orgolove
Fishball
Misder
KtheZ

Pandain: 3
Nemesis
Coagulation
Pandain

Brownbear: 1
Brownbear

DCLXVI: 1
DCLXVI

kingjames01: 1
kingjames01

annul: 1
annul

kitaman27: 1
kitaman27

Glasse: 1
Glasse

infinitestory: 1
infinitestory

ghrur: 1
ghrur

NB: 1
NB



Not voted yet: 5
Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq


hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys


bet it's a special role which gets 1 extra vote (since there are only 11 people voting for you)


Oh, I see. I figured it would be something like that.

Made me think of some creepy secret council or something.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 21:34 GMT
#897
Glasse you are playing this game extremely different than Haunted Mafia in which you are a town aligned blue role. In that game you were very helpful and honest about what you were doing. Now you are antagonistic, refuse to explain anything about what you say, and have taken the mind boggling position that town shouldn't pressure inactives.

What is up with that?
RIP Aaliyah
Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
October 30 2010 21:35 GMT
#898
On October 31 2010 06:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 06:29 Fishball wrote:
We've had similar roles in previous games before. Basically a role that gets an extra vote, and would show up anonymously as "elder".

To be quite bold, I don't like the band wagon you're getting. There are quite a few players that have voted for you, I consider "suspicious" in my books.

My only defense is that the last time I was a scum mayor I specifically ordered the mafia to create a "close win" and have me win by 1 or 2 votes.

Doubtlessly there are mafia in this bandwagon though.

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 06:27 Glasse wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:14 infinitestory wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:08 Glasse wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:08 infinitestory wrote:


TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them.


not the smartest thing to say imo :3

In Mafia XXXI, we had a huge number of people either:
1) posting but without real content
2) posting hardly at all
which hindered proper analysis. Like jcarlsoniv said, we need to keep a much better eye on lurkers. I'm not sure why you think that's not smart.

also,
1) posting but without real content
this is a hint

....
ok i'll stop posting. i'll post whenever i die to say bai.

just answering this though:

so saying that you want to pressure em into posting is smart?


just saying what he said before that sentence was enough, this just meant "hey, please post now, i'll read your post 100 times to see if i can find information in it"


versus letting them lurk and having mafia slip through the cracks of inactivity, yes it is smart. a mafia under no pressure can sit back and watch town kill eachother, it's ideal.


wtf is wrong with you, i facepalmed

saying the part of your plan that should stay in your head out in the open is stupid
fuck
sorry couldn't hold it


What are you talking about? Why is it bad to pressure/force inactives to post? Why would we want people to just stay inactive and get away with it when mafia can just hide amongsts them and never get pressured...


Its not! but the "TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them." was not needed and may have fucked up his plan. Just suspecting them and saying it was because they were lurking and stuff was enough to make em talk.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
October 30 2010 21:36 GMT
#899
On October 31 2010 06:35 Glasse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 06:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:29 Fishball wrote:
We've had similar roles in previous games before. Basically a role that gets an extra vote, and would show up anonymously as "elder".

To be quite bold, I don't like the band wagon you're getting. There are quite a few players that have voted for you, I consider "suspicious" in my books.

My only defense is that the last time I was a scum mayor I specifically ordered the mafia to create a "close win" and have me win by 1 or 2 votes.

Doubtlessly there are mafia in this bandwagon though.

On October 31 2010 06:27 Glasse wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:22 Glasse wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:14 infinitestory wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:08 Glasse wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:08 infinitestory wrote:


TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them.


not the smartest thing to say imo :3

In Mafia XXXI, we had a huge number of people either:
1) posting but without real content
2) posting hardly at all
which hindered proper analysis. Like jcarlsoniv said, we need to keep a much better eye on lurkers. I'm not sure why you think that's not smart.

also,
1) posting but without real content
this is a hint

....
ok i'll stop posting. i'll post whenever i die to say bai.

just answering this though:

so saying that you want to pressure em into posting is smart?


just saying what he said before that sentence was enough, this just meant "hey, please post now, i'll read your post 100 times to see if i can find information in it"


versus letting them lurk and having mafia slip through the cracks of inactivity, yes it is smart. a mafia under no pressure can sit back and watch town kill eachother, it's ideal.


wtf is wrong with you, i facepalmed

saying the part of your plan that should stay in your head out in the open is stupid
fuck
sorry couldn't hold it


What are you talking about? Why is it bad to pressure/force inactives to post? Why would we want people to just stay inactive and get away with it when mafia can just hide amongsts them and never get pressured...


Its not! but the "TBH I'm more interested in pressuring them into talking than actually pointing FoS at them." was not needed and may have fucked up his plan. Just suspecting them and saying it was because they were lurking and stuff was enough to make em talk.


I see what you're saying then. Sorry for misunderstanding you there.
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On October 31 2010 06:28 infinitestory wrote:
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On October 31 2010 06:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On October 31 2010 04:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Elder vote

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Hyperbola, lol1221, QuickStriker, ShmotZ, Masq


hey yo what the fuck is an elder vote guys


bet it's a special role which gets 1 extra vote (since there are only 11 people voting for you)

You must have miscounted. Including this "Elder" fellow, there are 12 votes for the Doc. So, maybe the role you're talking about has been nerfed for this game, or has some other power in conjunction with vote anonymity.
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