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haha, this topic can be discussed over and over again and still not get old. even if the results of each subsequent discussion is very similar. another example is the "what would you change/do if you could travel back in time" scenario. my 2 geeky roomates and me spent many dinners going over these 2 things.
anyway, i would grab my 2 roomates (we have designated each other to be zombie apocalypse buddies), get all the food we currently have and valuable/sentimental possessions and drive off. we got no firearms, so we use makeshift weapons such as the lighter + bug spray/deodrant for close range, and our "sharp knife sticky taped to the end of a mop" for longer range combat/sniping.
to decide on destination, we first pay attention to the news to see what areas are safe. if we get no useful information from it, we go to a mall. then, after letting nearby humans in (carefully checking for bite marks), we shut all the entrances. we still provide 1 secret passage. assuming zombies cant read, there will be a sign outside that tells them exactly where this passage is and how to access it (again, we will be checking each person that comes in for bite marks)
finally, we hole out. there is food, there are fun stuff (movies, games, music), and awesome friends. what more do i need? then, we wait it out. by our logic (based on newton's) the zombies aren't immortal. you cant get energy from nowhere right? so they should drop dead sooner or later. assuming they arent intelligent enough to form a civilised, self-sustaining society. if they are, then there might be a chance we can work things out 
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Already so much ill advised action here. I can tell you guys aren't prepared. The following is for my area (central europe). Priorities would be different for other areas of the world though. Note I only touch on things that seem to not come naturally to people. For example if you have things like antibiotics, matches, etc at home of course take them with you as well even though I don’t mention them. Think of a camping trip.
1. Stay away from everywhere unprepared people would go. This means no supermarkets, malls, home depot, police stations, hospitals etc. This is the most important rule to survival. Stay away from people, especially unprepared people.
2. Secure water. If you are at home fill up bottles with tab water. DO NOT go to the supermarket.
3. Secure food. This should be easier than most people think. You don't need a lot to survive, even your scrappy student household should have enough to last you a week. DO NOT go to the supermarket. Don’t take canned food. Too much water, too heavy. Go for candy bars and chocolate.
Now these are the most important things you need to think about at first. From now on it's all about executing plan Z: Make for the coast. In my case that would be the Mediterranean. If you can, get a map for all sections of the way. If internet is still on print out Google directions with several alternative routes. Do not get lost surfing TL in threads like this one which will be popping up in mass: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91981 Say GL HF to everyone and be outta there.
Now, depending on where you are next comes the most difficult part: Getting out of the city and securing a vehicle. There is not much you can plan for unfortunately, but there are some general ideas to follow.
Weapons: Firearms are the best choice if you know how to use them. If you live in a gun free city like me unfortunately you won’t have any, but if you do good for you. Unless you know how to use them, don’t bother with fancy stuff like knives or swords. You’ll get you sword stuck in the head of the 2nd zombie and be overwhelmed. Instead go for some sort of club you can wield well. Baseball bat is excellent. I have a door mountable pull-up bar that does the job well.
Cardio: Zombieland got it right. This is sooo important. If you can’t run don’t even bother. You are not going to make it. Since you are still in the city, you don’t need to run faster than the zombies. You just need to run faster than the fatties. This should help you a long way on your way out.
Now in my case I would first get to my car and go as far as I can with it. I don’t expect it to get me out of the city, but I might make a good portion of the way. Expect the major exit routes to be blocked though, don’t even go there – remember, stay away from stupid people.
You want to take a route through a wealthy suburb. Once you are there you are usually golden. Less people, more provisions. If it’s a workday chances are they are not even there. Now it’s time to get a new car. You’ll probably have to break into one of the houses and force the wife / kids that are there to hand over the keys to their SUV. Remember, time is key here, don’t fool around. In terms of SUV the bigger the better. Again this car is there to carry you out of populated areas. You’ll need ramming ability. Try to get one with a diesel engine, you can fill those up with heating oil from abandoned homes or roadside truck wrecks. Steal provisions as well – again water over food, you can starve for a couple of days and still be OK. Here is where you can go for canned food though since you are not on foot anymore (hopefully).
In case you survived getting out of the city: Stay away from major highways – again Rule No 1. Take the smaller overland roads through small towns. Small towns are both good and bad news because they can have provisions, but they can also have nasty survivors who might want to steal your car. Same goes for farms – be extra careful around those.
Again the objective is to make for the coast. In my case it would be a 7 hour drive under normal conditions. Obviously I can’t go to sleep anywhere so soon after the infection so I would have to make it in one go no matter what. Your typical SUV needs one refill for that distance, which should be possible at some point. If not take over vehicle from already eaten people.
Once I am in France I’d feel much better and actually risk the highway since there are no cars in France. Say I make it to the coast.
I would pick one the very small coast towns due to rule no1, and scout out the yacht bay. The objective now is to obtain a sailing yacht you can operate by yourself (anyone serious about zombie apocalypse knows how to sail obv.). There are several ways to do this. The main problem is that taking off will take a while and attract zombies. So what you can do is take any spare gas you still have and spill it all over the pier behind you just in case.
If you can’t find a boat with keys you can try to take off by using the motor of one of dinghies, although that will take a while as well. Burn the bridge behind you once the zombies come. It’s all in now.
If you managed to get out of the bay you have made it. Say hello to your new awesome life as a zombieland pirate. You can plunder each of the myriad of yacht havens along the coast, go fishing for the soon plentiful again fishes, conquer islands and some day find a lost pretty survivor mate on a raft and then you can live happily and repopulate the planet.
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You might be laughing now, but when the zombies attack, you will be sorry that you didn't spend 1000 hours playing Resident Evil.
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On October 04 2010 21:02 illu wrote:
You might be laughing now, but when the zombies attack, you will be sorry that you didn't spend 1000 hours playing Resident Evil.
Only if you are talking about 1~3.
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On October 04 2010 19:15 r33k wrote:
a whole bunch of questions.
What do you expect, once the apocalypse rolls you get a full executive summary of what you are dealing with? The OP said you see people getting eaten by zombies on the street. That's all the information you have. Work with what you have and don't assume anything.
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On October 04 2010 19:48 shannn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 19:16 101TFP wrote:On October 04 2010 18:37 shannn wrote:On October 04 2010 18:31 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2010 18:19 shannn wrote:
Funny story since I have to wait for some images to receive for my work (lol waiting on model pictures) I guess I'll do this game.
If some sort of zombi apocalypse were happening right now at work I'd do the following.
- Get some weapon (since I don't have a weapon) to defend myself with.
- Find some capable people who would survive in this new world and form a group.
- Do not go outside yet since zombies will be swarming outside.
- Wait till I have found some way to know where zombies are most likely to be and avoid them.
- Not calling any family since I will assume they're dead so it's all myself for now.
- Get some food supply to survive the upcoming days/weeks/months/years.
- Get to some supermarket for more stuff I might need to survive.
- Go to a safe place like in all zombie apocalypse movies will probably be on an island like UK. The UK is also swarmed (60 million ppl) and you don't know if there are survivors. In your blog you said employees are at the companies that are in the same building where you work, there would be zombies inside the building, how do you deal with that? Finding a weapon is imperative, in an office i'd say that big slicing thing that if your rip off the blade it becomes like a sword (like in Operation: Endgame) ![[image loading]](http://www.getprice.com.au/images/uploadimg/527/350__1_PC8292BK.jpg) this thing So the whole world is a zombie apocalypse land ? I do have that slicing thing for papers :D I would get that first and cut all of their heads which come to me. After that secure my escape route and get some food first with equipment to survive outside at night and day along with weapons. There surely should be weapons in this IT oriented building besides this slicer. Edit: Forgot there's a big kitches at the ground floor so I can get knifes at least to defend myself with. Also get a fast and strong car to drive outside to go wherever I want to. The big problem here is I'm in a very crowded place in the city.... Escaping is gonna be very hard  Although the rails are like 900 feet behind this building so I could get there and escape by train since there are unused trains here. The OP said something about realism ... You can not cut off a human head with that thing or a kitchen knife easily. It would take some time to saw through all the muscles and bones. But time is something you don't have when faced with a zombie. Question to the OP, what kind of zombies are we talking about here? + Show Spoiler [zombie type chart] + Obviously you haven't watched Deadliest warriors :d There was a Machete I think or something similar and it cut off a dummy head from the neck with 1 strike which is supposedly as strong as a human's head/neck. So I think it's possible. If it isn't then I'd be in big trouble if Zombie apocalypse ever comes true ><
First, deadliest warrior is imo one of the worst and most inaccurate shows of all time.
Second, you can not compare a knife / papercutter to a machete. Even if you swing the papercutter thing hard enough, it will just break or bend, there is no way in hell to cut off a head with this thing in one swing.
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On October 04 2010 21:11 Gleen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 21:02 illu wrote:
You might be laughing now, but when the zombies attack, you will be sorry that you didn't spend 1000 hours playing Resident Evil. Only if you are talking about 1~3.
i'm sure he's talking about 4, u have 2 know what button to press to snap the zombie dawg's neck :X
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since i'm a nerd brainwashed by mainstream to the zombie apocalypse idea/culture, i have devised a really simple idea to survive. build an extremely crude version of: + Show Spoiler + no need them servo motors nor fancy tech gears, just basic steel plating covering every inch of our body with a gas mask on and VOILA!
be absolutely impervious to the human/zombie apocalypse jaws and enjoy watching the world burns..
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Hop on every internet community forum and post lvl20 Warrior LFG Zombie-hunting.
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http://www.cracked.com/article/126_5-popular-zombie-survival-tactics-that-will-get-you-killed/
I know cracked isn't the epitome of scientific research or anything but this article raises good points.
TLDR:
5. Raiding the gun store is going to get you killed because mr. gun store owner probably likes guns and knows how to use them well.
4. Driving out of town is going to get you killed because there will probably be gridlock as thousands of other people try getting out of town.
3. Barricading yourself is going to get you killed because you can't outlast zombies.
2. Using melee weapons is going to get you killed.
1. Going for headshots is going to get you because headshots are hardest shots.
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I didn't think it was this uncommon, especially after reading most of the stories here, but I always plan all the possible escape routes from any place where I'm going to regularly be spending some time.
I started doing that in my 2nd year of high school and this thread just made me realize that I don't have made a detailed phase 1 plan from my current work place. It must be because I don't really share a turn with my insanely hot colleague and thus wouldn't have any hot girls to rescue on my way out.
As most of you will know but probably won't have detailed in your mind step by step, zombie outbreaks just like all other major cataclysms don't change a country all at once but will escalate over time.
Well, it all starts with:
Phase 1 - The Outbreak
Basically, shit has not hit the fan yet. But you can fucking smell it, and the smell sucks. Actually the fact that you smell corpses from some place where such a stench has never existed before could give you an idea of what is going on, but yeah. Outbreaks are more likely to succeed when they pop in different spots around the same time. People with a flu suddenly waking up and walking around the house, bums strolling around town, actually we don't care about that sort of stuff.
It's like in Sean of the Dead, critters suddenly disappearing, police cars running amok with sirens at full volume. But tbh we just want our day to end and get back home.
What we do care about is a sound-line that is stuck into our brains, incided with a scalpel. A line that we heard in so many remixes, mashups and shitty AMV popping up on youtube suggestions: "the bodies of the dead, returning to life... attacking the living..." "removing the head or destroying the brain, we repeat: removing the head or destroying the brain". Something that is generally in our head as we mentally hum zombieland from kernkraft2000, just that now we are actually hearing it. And it's on fucking tv. And no, they are not showing a 10 AM Romero marathon.
Either that line or the power goes off, or the more classic mumbling and puking pale guy rolling against and prying the hotel/classroom/workplace door open. This is what wakes us up. What we have secretly been hoping for for years. In the blink of an eye we realize that we had been wishing for a tumor to pop up in our body so that we could finally get that plastic surgery we have been thinking about for years. Something THAT insane which finally pops in front of us and bursts into a puddle of brown and black blood and excrements, then raises his head and starts crawling towards us.
Now what I haven't mentioned yet is that I currently work as a receptionist at a hotel 10 mins from home and live in the country, basically in the middle of nowhere. From work I have easy access to Milan and Pavia, another large town nearby. I have easy access to the motorway and 3 different routes (state road, country road, field gravel road) to get home.
The other access to the hotel is a backdoor which doesn't shut properly but is inside a closed parking lot, but regardless, the first thing I do is grab a passepartout and run upstairs. I'll easily find the room overlooking my car and not giving a fuck about possible customers in the room, while avoiding at all costs possible contact with anyone else I'll drop onto my car, opening the door from the top and hopping and shutting it in one motion. From there it should be easy to tell which road I should be taking to get home. Unfortunately compared to my from-university and from-highschool routes I won't be crossing any police road blocks OR hot girls. I know a very hot girl from the town I work in, as well as my extremely hot work colleague but I don't have either girl's phone number, so unless I run into either of them at the pub along the road I will be jacking off for the night. Oh well.
In general, if you can't reach your own car find a parking lot with some cars left, hop from one onto another looking for an unfortunate driver, if you are more than 4 people you will have to look for a 2nd car anyways, try and get a hummer, or a SUV of some sorts. Without electricity most gas pumps don't even work so you'll have to rely on whatever is inside the car's tank, but you'll only take 2 trips, so don't turn gas into a bigger concern than it actually is.
As a rule of thumb keep your eyes fucking open and make sure you have your reflexes in tip-top condition: this is as close as you want to get to the zombies, and this alongside the ride home is your opportunity to look at them and see what they can do: get a couple mental notes about the specifics of the virus, if people get infected before your eyes make sure to know what sort of contact they had with the zombies. Also try and make out some information about the undead's physical capabilities, refer to my previous post for more detailed notes on what to look out for.
Home, sweet home. There is no place we know better than our home. Our home is somewhere we can defend easily, it might be the influence of Macaulay Culkin but yeah, meth is good. No wait, that wasn't the example I was looking for.
Anyways...
Basically what I'm trying to say is that our home is somewhere that we know can provide us with food, shelter, easy internet and enough time to allow us to plan our next steps. Meat and vegetable trucks won't be coming and refilling our fridge any time soon, and with the power being VERY likely to go down we won't be able to rely on frozen food either unless we find some power supply.
And this can only mean...
Phase 2 - The place before the place
My place is a 5-stories tall country house with a front gate, a garage and an indoor parking space enough to hold 2 cars, a balcony and its cover overview the west side of the house, the front is controlled by a large plexiglass flat roof covering the parking space, another plexiglass roof is controlling the eastern side of the house and overlooking an external parking lot. the back of the house is basically linked to my neighbours', and a steel gate is protecting all the sides, so it's quite fucking safe and provides the safest scouting and sniping space one could hope for.
This is also the time where you'll socialize with any people that you didn't manage to lose on your way to safety. As in all survival situations people in a group will be given roles: defenders/shooters and burdens. Basically if a guy looks reliable and wants to join you because he sees that you have a plan let him come, just make sure that you will always be the one holding the better pieces of equipment you'll find, you will have to mantain your role as a leader in the months to come, and this is when you start asserting your position. Burdens are either hot girls or friends who won't be able to do much combat of any sort, basically people that are useful when you're building yourself a place to stay but won't do much other than running when zombies are around.
As for the wounded or the unwanted just try to get rid of them. One lone guy messing with the group can quickly lead shit to snowball, and whatever you do, don't let them die in front of your group. If you are going to be the leader you have to be trusted. Therefore if you really want somebody dead instead of with you just say that he got bit and shoot him, justify your actions by saying that he was turning violent and make sure that everyone realizes that in this particular situation there is no time to waste. Do or die, literally.
Bear in mind that throughout all your journey your first prerogative will be to avoid deaths. It is better to be stuck for a year in a freaky love-nest with a nevrotic hot piece of ass than starting with 14 other people and losing them one by one, with the survivors losing bigger chunks of their sanity with each day that passes.
Once you get home all of you will have to take a shower. One by one to avoid looking like bigger pervs than we already are, but we want to get rid of any blood stains and possibly to wash off some of the possibly infected air. You (the leader) will take the first turn, making sure to stay warm to avoid the risks of weakening your body with an unwanted cold. After you're done you will be rushing for the computer, one tab will be facebook, the other ones will be reddit/4chan/tl/any sort of forum where people will post useful information about what's going on.
Even if they are wrong on some of the stuff they are saying it's always better to be on the safe side. Get some intel and stick by it. Again, anyone who dies will deal a massive moral blow to all of the survivors, and that's the last thing we want. Whenever you see situations where the levels of sorrow start rising don't get yourself caught in the mood and praise everyone for surviving, make them feel like they just passed a natural selection test to keep them motivated, your house won't have enough food for more than 2 days anyways and you have to get going, so you need everyone to be in good shape.
From here plan your next checkpoint, which will hopefully be your last one. Movies tell us that 2-stories shopping malls are the best place to crash in. Know the one closest to where you are right now, know how to get there and plan carefully what to bring. Bring some snacks in case you will be stuck on a road somewhere or outside the place itself. Bring a couple rakes, or a broom if you don't have any rakes. You want to keep some distance between you and them at all times, and a rake can be used from atop a car or some elevated platform.
Make sure everyone is wearing thick boots, with the amount of dead people laying on the ground you will be stepping on tons of them, and some of them will turn out to be the wrong kind of dead, your thighs must be safe at all times. Also get glasses for everyone, or at least for the people who are going to fight hand-to-hand with the undead. We've all seen 28 days later, and the way the dad dies (tear of zombie blood in the eye) is fucking anticlimactic and lame, don't do that.
Phase 3 will be about getting inside the mall once we are there and clearing the floor we'll be living in. More on that later.
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On October 04 2010 21:33 101TFP wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 19:48 shannn wrote:On October 04 2010 19:16 101TFP wrote:On October 04 2010 18:37 shannn wrote:On October 04 2010 18:31 PlaGuE_R wrote:On October 04 2010 18:19 shannn wrote:
Funny story since I have to wait for some images to receive for my work (lol waiting on model pictures) I guess I'll do this game.
If some sort of zombi apocalypse were happening right now at work I'd do the following.
- Get some weapon (since I don't have a weapon) to defend myself with.
- Find some capable people who would survive in this new world and form a group.
- Do not go outside yet since zombies will be swarming outside.
- Wait till I have found some way to know where zombies are most likely to be and avoid them.
- Not calling any family since I will assume they're dead so it's all myself for now.
- Get some food supply to survive the upcoming days/weeks/months/years.
- Get to some supermarket for more stuff I might need to survive.
- Go to a safe place like in all zombie apocalypse movies will probably be on an island like UK. The UK is also swarmed (60 million ppl) and you don't know if there are survivors. In your blog you said employees are at the companies that are in the same building where you work, there would be zombies inside the building, how do you deal with that? Finding a weapon is imperative, in an office i'd say that big slicing thing that if your rip off the blade it becomes like a sword (like in Operation: Endgame) this thing So the whole world is a zombie apocalypse land ? I do have that slicing thing for papers :D I would get that first and cut all of their heads which come to me. After that secure my escape route and get some food first with equipment to survive outside at night and day along with weapons. There surely should be weapons in this IT oriented building besides this slicer. Edit: Forgot there's a big kitches at the ground floor so I can get knifes at least to defend myself with. Also get a fast and strong car to drive outside to go wherever I want to. The big problem here is I'm in a very crowded place in the city.... Escaping is gonna be very hard Although the rails are like 900 feet behind this building so I could get there and escape by train since there are unused trains here. The OP said something about realism ... You can not cut off a human head with that thing or a kitchen knife easily. It would take some time to saw through all the muscles and bones. But time is something you don't have when faced with a zombie. Question to the OP, what kind of zombies are we talking about here? + Show Spoiler [zombie type chart] + Obviously you haven't watched Deadliest warriors :d There was a Machete I think or something similar and it cut off a dummy head from the neck with 1 strike which is supposedly as strong as a human's head/neck. So I think it's possible. If it isn't then I'd be in big trouble if Zombie apocalypse ever comes true >< First, deadliest warrior is imo one of the worst and most inaccurate shows of all time. Second, you can not compare a knife / papercutter to a machete. Even if you swing the papercutter thing hard enough, it will just break or bend, there is no way in hell to cut off a head with this thing in one swing.
You don't know that. If it can cut through a very thick layer of paper why would it not cut through flesh and a little bit of bone which is strong but still not uncrackable/slicable. But I might be wrong too since neither of us can test this (or do you want to test it live on a human neck  )
Anyways, what zatic said is very good. I think everyone's main point is to be sure not to go somewhere populated since 1 infected can make the entire group be infected fast.
Best way to survive in an apolyptic environment is to be alone and take care of yourself first that's the highest survival rate.
To survive for a long period of time I'd agree with zatic too that you should go to the coast and get a boat to fish for food and raid all those boats on the coasts for supplies. Land would probably be infected only and coast is easier to defend yourself with and hard to get raided by zombies.
Somehow I imagine that it's gonna be a bit like Waterworld environment alike.
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From my house, to my parents down the street.
Next is to the family used car dealership.
Then the local Walmart for supplies. If it's overrun, Dick's for guns, then supplies.
Supplies gathered, head to a local mountain, with 3 story summit building that already has someone medical and communications supplies, as well as a 360 balcony at least 15 feet up, and a 3rd floor crows nest.
Bar doors.
Wait for zombies to starve.
Profit.
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On October 04 2010 22:04 TechDeft wrote:
From my house, to my parents down the street.
Next is to the family used car dealership.
Then the local Walmart for supplies. If it's overrun, Dick's for guns, then supplies.
Supplies gathered, head to a local mountain, with 3 story summit building that already has someone medical and communications supplies, as well as a 360 balcony at least 15 feet up, and a 3rd floor crows nest.
Bar doors.
Wait for zombies to starve.
Profit.
You'll never outlast zombies.
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On October 04 2010 21:49 madnessman wrote:http://www.cracked.com/article/126_5-popular-zombie-survival-tactics-that-will-get-you-killed/I know cracked isn't the epitome of scientific research or anything but this article raises good points. TLDR: 5. Raiding the gun store is going to get you killed because mr. gun store owner probably likes guns and knows how to use them well. 4. Driving out of town is going to get you killed because there will probably be gridlock as thousands of other people try getting out of town. 3. Barricading yourself is going to get you killed because you can't outlast zombies. 2. Using melee weapons is going to get you killed. 1. Going for headshots is going to get you because headshots are hardest shots.
Jupp, so right. Those guys seem to know whats up. Count them among the prepared people.
Unfortunately most likely you won't have a gun, so melee weapons are you next best thing to get some distance on these motherfuckers. But right, melee weapons to conserve ammo is pretty stupid.
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i would be like "WTF is this happening?" .. and shoot myself in the head
because .. rule #1: Realistic. Its The Apocalypse. The Day of Days. You carrying a paper cutter against throngs of zombies isn't really "Realistic"
you would panic. there will be chaos. even if you aren't undead, someone will kill you, stab you behind the back, because maybe you have something that somebody can use. CHAOS .. Destruction ..
You wouldn't trust anyone, you shouldn't, they will kill you. It's only a matter of time. Better survive alone, or not survive at all ..
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you cannot consider yourself a true man if you do not have a zombie apocalypse plan. If I only had a house or some land id be digging a bunker and stocking it with 5 years worth of supplies right now.
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On October 04 2010 22:46 besiger wrote:
you cannot consider yourself a true man if you do not have a zombie apocalypse plan. If I only had a house or some land id be digging a bunker and stocking it with 5 years worth of supplies right now.
Since you don't know how much time the outbreak would last, is not possible to say you supplies will last... not to mention possibly mental problems due to extended isolation, lack of natural light and exercise.
For myself, I'd go for the hardcore mode. Baseball Cap, a six pack of cokes, candy bars and a mp3 player, playing Dir en Gray non stop
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On October 04 2010 21:29 zatic wrote:What do you expect, once the apocalypse rolls you get a full executive summary of what you are dealing with? The OP said you see people getting eaten by zombies on the street. That's all the information you have. Work with what you have and don't assume anything.
Man i thought i had this planned out, your plan is so much better than any of my thinking of what to do.
Luckily for me i live relativly close to a coast with easy to steel yachts, my dad sails and fishs with most of his spare time, we have a large car that would be good for beating down zombies at high speed and 3 guns for protection. This plan is pretty much perfect for me except for one problem, what happens on the boat if you can't fish or more importantly run out of water?
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On October 04 2010 23:02 Gleen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2010 22:46 besiger wrote:
you cannot consider yourself a true man if you do not have a zombie apocalypse plan. If I only had a house or some land id be digging a bunker and stocking it with 5 years worth of supplies right now. Since you don't know how much time the outbreak would last, is not possible to say you supplies will last... not to mention possibly mental problems due to extended isolation, lack of natural light and exercise. For myself, I'd go for the hardcore mode. Baseball Cap, a six pack of cokes, candy bars and a mp3 player, playing Dir en Gray non stop
well I wouldn't really be building it anywhere near major towns, so I guess I could come up to the surface here and there to try to forage some more food and get some air and sun, the sea is relativley close to me, 2 hours drive, but I dont know, im more worried about the other survivors trying to shoot me for my stuff than zombies alone so id rather stay hidden underground.
I do like me some Dir En Grey though
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