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On February 15 2010 13:08 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 13:05 Ace wrote: I don't think any one is taking this personal. This game has been extremely normal. Father, it has not been normal... I've been without you this whole game...
Everyone's post counts up to and including this quoted post. Sadly also includes pre-day start.. short of manually editing the source file.. I can't take it out.
amber[light]= 2 ohn= 1 madnessman= 6 tredmasta= 1 empyrean= 2 [nyc]hobbes= 17 redtooth= 50 masterdana= 3 shockeyy= 4 faronel= 5 sugiuramidori= 6 quickstriker= 2 tree.hugger= 3 lucaswoj= 1 nemy= 3 zona= 5 ver= 10 fulgrim= 18 mystlord= 11 fishball= 5 qatol= 10 johnnyspazz= 5 malongo= 6 best[alive]= 3 doctorhelvetica= 92 d3_crescentia= 23 scamp= 5 sidesprang= 11 chezinu= 70 shikyo= 2 stimilant= 1 vivi57= 2 bloodyc0bbler= 36 phrujbaz= 6 l10f = 6 l= 42 ace= 39 abenson= 32 citi.zen= 19 caller= 5 flamewheel91= 12 789= 23 foolishness= 3 iaaan= 40 bill murray= 57 xelin= 5 zato-1= 17 cynanmachae= 4 meeple= 57 dozko= 5 nikoner= 4 infundibulum= 7 ~opz~= 5 incognito= 19
Anyone not on the list has 0 posts!!
And yes, I can run the script as much as y'all desire.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On February 15 2010 13:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 13:09 Bill Murray wrote:On February 15 2010 13:03 tree.hugger wrote: I have a feeling that way to many of these posts, especially the ones from our veterans are tainted by personal feelings. Which is a little disappointing, because only unbiased, in-depth analysis is what is going to win us the game.
And activity of course.
I don't think my last stint as mayor would make me a good choice for the post, but I would suggest that the mayor be someone without the massive ego.
He doesn't even WANT to be mayor. I nominate tree.hugger for mayor, because the best person with the power is someone who doesn't want to use it. no Hilarious, but no.
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On February 15 2010 13:17 SugiuraMidori wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 13:08 Chezinu wrote:On February 15 2010 13:05 Ace wrote: I don't think any one is taking this personal. This game has been extremely normal. Father, it has not been normal... I've been without you this whole game... Everyone's post counts up to and including this quoted post. Sadly also includes pre-day start.. short of manually editing the source file.. I can't take it out. amber[light]= 2 ohn= 1 madnessman= 6 tredmasta= 1 empyrean= 2 [nyc]hobbes= 17 redtooth= 50 masterdana= 3 shockeyy= 4 faronel= 5 sugiuramidori= 6 quickstriker= 2 tree.hugger= 3 lucaswoj= 1 nemy= 3 zona= 5 ver= 10 fulgrim= 18 mystlord= 11 fishball= 5 qatol= 10 johnnyspazz= 5 malongo= 6 best[alive]= 3 doctorhelvetica= 92 d3_crescentia= 23 scamp= 5 sidesprang= 11 chezinu= 70 shikyo= 2 stimilant= 1 vivi57= 2 bloodyc0bbler= 36 phrujbaz= 6 l10f = 6 l= 42 ace= 39 abenson= 32 citi.zen= 19 caller= 5 flamewheel91= 12 789= 23 foolishness= 3 iaaan= 40 bill murray= 57 xelin= 5 zato-1= 17 cynanmachae= 4 meeple= 57 dozko= 5 nikoner= 4 infundibulum= 7 ~opz~= 5 incognito= 19 Anyone not on the list has 0 posts!! And yes, I can run the script as much as y'all desire.
Thanks for this:
There are a bunch of fairly inactive people, but right now the only one that stands out is Zona. He was active last game and he's got almost 500 posts this week, but only 5 on here?
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you want me to change my vote then, tree.hugger?
it's like voting for ralph nader + Show Spoiler +because of his wing tipped sideburns.
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The doctor talks way too much... How do you even come up with so many things to say...
This is getting boring... waiting for the election...
Anyone have any questions for me? jobs? tasks? anything?
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On February 15 2010 13:11 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 13:07 Bill Murray wrote: Ace at first seemed to be acting like he did in a game I read before I played my first mafia game... a game where Chezinu was detective. I've looked for the game, but I can't seem to find the correct one. Chezinu basically comes out and yells "WHOO IM THE BEST DIE MAFIA" and ace facepalms just like this (not literally). But, still, I would really like to find that game. It might just be how he acts, though, which is the reason i'm not certain that DoctorH is red just yet, and don't push for his lynching even regarding past discrepancies (flaming him in pms/my stupid comment that forced edit in the previous game that ruined the game[thanks for the second chance, btw.]/the fact that we aren't really on friendly terms because of my meanness.), but with 39.7777%(rofl my math rulez)of the game mafia, how can u really be sure?
Ace, would you agree to dying if DoctorH flips green? Sure. Why not? Also I act like I'm above the law and don't really care in most Mafia games. In the past ~4 games I've tried to just chill, sit back and let others do the work but then people become sheepish so I have to step in. This game I was called out before I even posted and I'm accused of being Mafia because I'm defending myself. Seriously this is getting pretty sad.
but compare the way you defended yourself vs. the way i defended myself. + Show Spoiler +On February 15 2010 12:57 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 10:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Well L, cause you asked me to. This is a rough outline of how I would link people on day 1 analysis. I don't think that much of it is spot on, but after viewing your bit on Emp, I strongly agree he fits insanely well for the Radiant being part. Note: I did not use spellcheck on anything. Clue Analysis: Day 1 Firstly, there are assumptions to this list. Each mafia has two family members involved with the killings (two for each family). There could easily be more. The links I will also be centering on will be around themes specific to each included killer. IE. Because it was mentioned that it was dark 8 times does not mean that it is a clue, just word choice. Mafia A – The horsemen “Sure enough, the two horsemen began slowly approaching the town. They did not rush across the field, but drifted in and out of the shadows, taking cover from the shadows cast by the clouds.” “he horses neighed, and the first horseman charged dreamflower, spear aimed low at her gut. Dreamflower was blinded from the moonlight that reflected off the horseman, and was a little slow to react.” “Noticing Qatol sneak quietly into the barn to his right, the horseman charged and leaped through the thin walls of the barn, landing straight on Qatol, who died instantly.” “The house immediately combusted into flames as a torch flew through the window, igniting the oil-soaked residence. dreamflower’s last thoughts were confusion, for she thought that the torch flew through the window opposite the two horsemen.” “But his path was suddenly blocked by one of the horsemen” “He heard a scowl, as the horseman turned around and fled the other way, riding as if he were either blinded or drunk.” Mafia B – The pyro, psychopath, and the radiant. “The house immediately combusted into flames as a torch flew through the window, igniting the oil-soaked residence. dreamflower’s last thoughts were confusion, for she thought that the torch flew through the window opposite the two horsemen.” “but they quickly retreated back to the safety of their homes once they heard gunshots and a hyena-like noise outside.” “The crazed psychopathic noises approached swiftly, and Incognito had no time to react as a shadowy figure leapt from a roof above and ripped his head off, still laughing as it raced down another alley leading out of the town square.” “However, at the end of the alleyway, he noticed a light getting brighter and brighter in magnitude. He heard a scowl, as the horseman turned around and fled the other way, riding as if he were either blinded or drunk. Kennigit emerged from behind the wine barrel, thinking that an angel had saved the town. Unfortunately, Kennigit did not find favor from the now radiant creature, and exploded into a shower of blue light. A few moments later, however, and the town was once again consumed with darkness.” AnalysisMafia A I believe that there is possibly three members of this family used. The first fits the theme of a charging horsemen who when struck with light at night can blind someone. Note. This person should be trained in the usage of a spear, or be wearing something reflective. I believe CynanMachae fits that description from the picture he has in his profile found http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/23719.jpg?1265785651It also links to Ace as per L has stated based on his profile picture and Quote. I believe Cynan better fits the description, as well, deathscythe uses a scythe not a spear. Seems like a mistake that wouldn’t be overlooked. The second mafia member from this family I believe linked to, is the cackler. It is also who I believe killed qatol. He Cackles, which to me is an odd way to describe laughter, he observes qatol quickly, breaks through a thin wall, and kills him instantly. This is someone who to me would be insane/mad and dangerous. I think the best fit for this is Mystlord – He has a quotation made by the joker in his profile, and has someone who looks well, insane as a profile picture. Madnessman – His name implies he is mad, as well as a profile picture that stresses having guts, and a quote saying “no pain no gain”. As he lept through a wall, I would say this covers pain for gain, and cackling for mad. The third one I have linked is Scamp – A horsemen blocked Kennigit randomly, much like his profile has a cat blocking a gutter. Mafia B Mystlord – He best fits to my quick look for the fire reference. I may have missed a profile relating to fire, but I believe his was the one that best stood out for it. Second mafia I am unsure on, other than it was someone who uses guns, makes animal noises and was a shadowy figure. This last bit means he might not be human per se. If I had to guess I would go with Masterdana for having a dog in his profile and references to fps games. The last one would be the radiant mafia. After looking at the information given, I will agree with L that this sounds a lot like empryean and could also link to zona for his fucked up picture, however empryean is a must stronger link. I'm going to this just because I don't want either one of the mafia teams to jump to the conclusion that I'm on their opposing team and kill me off While I can't argue against there being clues against me in the text, I do think your analysis is a bit weak in that 1. with enough of a stretch, you can link clues to anybody and 2. the madness connection might be a bit too blatant. With respect to 1, I think that trying to link me to the killer for running through a wall is a bit much, just because my desc. says "no pain no gain" and having guts. If anything, charging through a wall should indicate strength, force, power. But said walls are described as "thin," and probably wouldn't be very painful to charge through, so I think your point is moot either way. Maybe if the killer had charged through a brick wall, it'd be a different story. Finally, there is no indication that the guy who rips Incognito's head off with a laugh is the same one who charges through a wall. With respect to 2, me being the mafia because of "crazed psychopathic noises" would be a terrible clue lol. It'd be equivalent to Incognito writing a clue trying to pinpoint you, and saying: "the horseman trotted across bloody cobbles." I doubt a clue would be so blatant and so not clever, if you get what I'm saying :/. Tying me to "crazed psychopathic noises" takes no work whatsoever--you don't even have to take the effort to look at my damn profile. Also, what happened to: Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 12:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On February 14 2010 11:56 Mystlord wrote:On February 14 2010 11:45 Ace wrote: Knowing this, I'm not surprised LL and Zato -1 are already accusing me. Look people, especially for you new players - I'm one of the biggest targets in any Mafia game. Every time. I'm super valuable. I catch people in lies all the time and I always save townies from the obvious bandwagon deaths. L and Zato may not have blatantly accused me but they just planted a seed of suspicion on me of all people, based on some wild clues. Be very wary of light weight accusations like this.
Such elitism. Regardless, I'm still all for incorporating clues into Day 1 discussion. For instance, we now have a defense from you, which is good for building a profile, whether you're innocent or not. They are interesting to look at mystlord, but however, day 1 clues almost always end up being red herrings, and random accusations, even backed by clues aren't too good for the person doing them unless they end up being right. I learned that the hardway. Clues aside, I would say that my posting behavior hasn't been suspicious either. I haven't been trying to swing votes or sway public opinion, nor have I been lurking/hiding. Finally, I noticed in your clue analysis that you tie random clues that are a bit of a stretch to two people in particular -- me and Scamp. Coincidentally, both of us are also voting L for mayor. Maybe this is a big insidious plan in which YOU'RE mafia, and you're secretly basing your clue analysis from analyzing the votes for mayoral candidates thinking they'll help you kill off opposing mafia members?!?! Lol the whole Scamp and me thing is probably just a coincidence... I'm just being ridiculous. not trying to be obnoxious, nor am i saying that i had an amazing/flawless argument or anything, but laan is right. ur defense seemed to merely comprise of a "y'all dumb i rule!" kind of thing :/.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Ahhh too mucch reading... Picking out some posts that I think I should respond to:
On February 15 2010 12:21 L wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 10:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Well L, cause you asked me to. This is a rough outline of how I would link people on day 1 analysis. I don't think that much of it is spot on, but after viewing your bit on Emp, I strongly agree he fits insanely well for the Radiant being part. Note: I did not use spellcheck on anything. Clue Analysis: Day 1 Firstly, there are assumptions to this list. Each mafia has two family members involved with the killings (two for each family). There could easily be more. The links I will also be centering on will be around themes specific to each included killer. IE. Because it was mentioned that it was dark 8 times does not mean that it is a clue, just word choice. Mafia A – The horsemen “Sure enough, the two horsemen began slowly approaching the town. They did not rush across the field, but drifted in and out of the shadows, taking cover from the shadows cast by the clouds.” “he horses neighed, and the first horseman charged dreamflower, spear aimed low at her gut. Dreamflower was blinded from the moonlight that reflected off the horseman, and was a little slow to react.” “Noticing Qatol sneak quietly into the barn to his right, the horseman charged and leaped through the thin walls of the barn, landing straight on Qatol, who died instantly.” “The house immediately combusted into flames as a torch flew through the window, igniting the oil-soaked residence. dreamflower’s last thoughts were confusion, for she thought that the torch flew through the window opposite the two horsemen.” “But his path was suddenly blocked by one of the horsemen” “He heard a scowl, as the horseman turned around and fled the other way, riding as if he were either blinded or drunk.” Mafia B – The pyro, psychopath, and the radiant. “The house immediately combusted into flames as a torch flew through the window, igniting the oil-soaked residence. dreamflower’s last thoughts were confusion, for she thought that the torch flew through the window opposite the two horsemen.” “but they quickly retreated back to the safety of their homes once they heard gunshots and a hyena-like noise outside.” “The crazed psychopathic noises approached swiftly, and Incognito had no time to react as a shadowy figure leapt from a roof above and ripped his head off, still laughing as it raced down another alley leading out of the town square.” “However, at the end of the alleyway, he noticed a light getting brighter and brighter in magnitude. He heard a scowl, as the horseman turned around and fled the other way, riding as if he were either blinded or drunk. Kennigit emerged from behind the wine barrel, thinking that an angel had saved the town. Unfortunately, Kennigit did not find favor from the now radiant creature, and exploded into a shower of blue light. A few moments later, however, and the town was once again consumed with darkness.” AnalysisMafia A I believe that there is possibly three members of this family used. The first fits the theme of a charging horsemen who when struck with light at night can blind someone. Note. This person should be trained in the usage of a spear, or be wearing something reflective. I believe CynanMachae fits that description from the picture he has in his profile found http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/23719.jpg?1265785651It also links to Ace as per L has stated based on his profile picture and Quote. I believe Cynan better fits the description, as well, deathscythe uses a scythe not a spear. Seems like a mistake that wouldn’t be overlooked. The second mafia member from this family I believe linked to, is the cackler. It is also who I believe killed qatol. He Cackles, which to me is an odd way to describe laughter, he observes qatol quickly, breaks through a thin wall, and kills him instantly. This is someone who to me would be insane/mad and dangerous. I think the best fit for this is Mystlord – He has a quotation made by the joker in his profile, and has someone who looks well, insane as a profile picture. Madnessman – His name implies he is mad, as well as a profile picture that stresses having guts, and a quote saying “no pain no gain”. As he lept through a wall, I would say this covers pain for gain, and cackling for mad. The third one I have linked is Scamp – A horsemen blocked Kennigit randomly, much like his profile has a cat blocking a gutter. Mafia B Mystlord – He best fits to my quick look for the fire reference. I may have missed a profile relating to fire, but I believe his was the one that best stood out for it. Second mafia I am unsure on, other than it was someone who uses guns, makes animal noises and was a shadowy figure. This last bit means he might not be human per se. If I had to guess I would go with Masterdana for having a dog in his profile and references to fps games. The last one would be the radiant mafia. After looking at the information given, I will agree with L that this sounds a lot like empryean and could also link to zona for his fucked up picture, however empryean is a must stronger link. I have issues with your analysis of the clues for Mafia A, as you've called them. The persona you've established, specifically the 'horseman who blinds with light" is inaccurate. Not only does the horseman blind, but he is blinded himself during paragraph 2. This double take on the same theme is massive, and is pretty much the EXACT same format that was used to introduce truthbringer's chaingun. Additionally, the clues aren't clear on who jumped through the wall, but from the flow of text, it seems that it is the first horseman who does; the other stays back and laughs. I could be wrong here on two counts; it isn't certain that the horseman in para 2 is the same as the first one, but it seems odd that blindness as a theme would be repeated, no? That said, granted the ambiguous nature of which qualities are ascribed to which horseman, its entirely possible that you're 100% right regarding someone here and that Ace is the other horseman, which is something I worried about while initially looking at the clues. This uncertainty in attribution is why I think Emp is the more assured cluetell, but I'm still not really done thinking about the risk/reward profile of lynching him vs Ace granted the information disparity that we'd gain from killing one over the other I don't entirely agree with your analysis of Mafia B either; Mystlord seems like a far better candidate for the rooftop killer granted the weapon and location of the picture. The link to fire is one of those perennially used ones that leads to herrings, so I wouldn't try to go fire-> someone without other links. If you read my link to Emp, you'd know there's a fire element there too. I'm pretty certain that most of the Mafia B clues need more fleshing out before we can be accurate with them, with the exception of the angel. First off, I actually missed your post BC, sorry about that .
In any case, I agree that the clues can point to me (lol how am I supposed to doubt that?), however, I think the more pertinent clue for the fire one lies in the fact that the torch flew in through a window opposite the horsemen. That could indicate a magical or supernatural component in the killing, and not that it is one of the members of Mafia B that threw the torch.
I have nothing to say about the horsemen that kills Qatol because, well, the only clue we get about him is the cackling and the moonlight, which my profile does match.
Now as for L's response, the first passage specifically mentions that there were two horsemen that met with Qatol, so it'd be a bit of a stretch to assume that the horseman in paragraph 2 is the exact same one in paragraph 1.
Another note is that auto-assuming that a clue is a red herring isn't a good way to look at clues, at least in my opinion. Everything that appears should be considered relevant unless proven otherwise.
One final note about the rooftop killer - the passage mentions that the killer ripped Incognito's head off. The girl in my profile has a sword, which doesn't "rip" at all.
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To chez: have you gotten anything good from pm'ing random ppl? :D
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Looking at the list of posts, Decefchicken hasn't posted anything in this thread, all he has done is vote for Ace. Last game I played in which decaf was mafia, he didn't post anything at all either, except for votes. I don't now how he has acted in other games, but his actions of hiding amongst the inactive are the same as last time decaf was mafia, and could point to him being mafia, and by extension point to Ace.
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First, I don't understand how Ver is getting that many votes...
Secondly, from the previous pages I've just read (well, more like the 20 previous pages), people came with the argument that people weren't playing the same way than in another game (Ver, BC), or that they were doing this that way each game (Ace vs L), etc, and based mafia accusations on that (among other things). While I agree that a slight change can be a lead, wouldn't it be exactly a mafia would play, not changing anything? Those are good players we are talking about, I wouldn't say that playing the same way is red, but changing a lot seems much less red to me.
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On February 15 2010 13:25 Abenson wrote: To chez: have you gotten anything good from pm'ing random ppl? :D yes, I have actually.
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On February 15 2010 13:23 Chezinu wrote: The doctor talks way too much... How do you even come up with so many things to say...
This is getting boring... waiting for the election...
Anyone have any questions for me? jobs? tasks? anything?
I spend literally all day on the internet.
Yesterday was an exception, and I imagine the day after tomorrow may be as well.
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Sagiura, is there a way to list by post count number?
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
Bill Murray your vote remains with Ver until you change it in the thread, since I believe you're not allowed to nominate people.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On February 15 2010 13:31 CynanMachae wrote: Sagiura, is there a way to list by post count number? I put it into OpenOffice Calc, and tadaaa
doctorhelvetica 92 chezinu 70 bill murray 57 meeple 57 redtooth 50 l 42 iaaan 40 ace 39 bloodyc0bbler 36 abenson 32 d3_crescentia 23 789 23 citi.zen 19 incognito 19 fulgrim 18 [nyc]hobbes 17 zato-1 17 flamewheel91 12 mystlord 11 sidesprang 11 ver 10 qatol 10 infundibulum 7 madnessman 6 sugiuramidori 6 malongo 6 phrujbaz 6 l10f 6 faronel 5 zona 5 fishball 5 johnnyspazz 5 scamp 5 caller 5 xelin 5 dozko 5 ~opz~ 5 shockeyy 4 cynanmachae 4 nikoner 4 masterdana 3 tree.hugger 3 nemy 3 best[alive] 3 foolishness 3 amber[light] 2 empyrean 2 quickstriker 2 shikyo 2 vivi57 2 ohn 1 tredmasta 1 lucaswoj 1 stimilant 1
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lucas won't be back til tomorrow, his one post before the game started stated that.
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On February 15 2010 13:34 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2010 13:31 CynanMachae wrote: Sagiura, is there a way to list by post count number? I put it into OpenOffice Calc, and tadaaa doctorhelvetica 92 chezinu 70 bill murray 57 meeple 57 redtooth 50 l 42 iaaan 40 ace 39 bloodyc0bbler 36 abenson 32 d3_crescentia 23 789 23 citi.zen 19 incognito 19 fulgrim 18 [nyc]hobbes 17 zato-1 17 flamewheel91 12 mystlord 11 sidesprang 11 ver 10 qatol 10 infundibulum 7 madnessman 6 sugiuramidori 6 malongo 6 phrujbaz 6 l10f 6 faronel 5 zona 5 fishball 5 johnnyspazz 5 scamp 5 caller 5 xelin 5 dozko 5 ~opz~ 5 shockeyy 4 cynanmachae 4 nikoner 4 masterdana 3 tree.hugger 3 nemy 3 best[alive] 3 foolishness 3 amber[light] 2 empyrean 2 quickstriker 2 shikyo 2 vivi57 2 ohn 1 tredmasta 1 lucaswoj 1 stimilant 1
Haha sorry... but here is the update, to this post, and taking out anything before the day post... I'll look on a way to sort by count.. I can do that and by alphabet I think... it is Python, it can do anything!!
+ Show Spoiler + amber[light]= 1 quickstriker= 2 d3_crescentia= 16 [nyc]hobbes= 13 redtooth= 44 masterdana= 2 johnnyspazz= 2 faronel= 4 sugiuramidori= 7 madnessman= 7 tree.hugger= 2 nemy= 2 vivi57= 1 ver= 8 fulgrim= 9 mystlord= 11 fishball= 5 qatol= 4 789= 16 malongo= 3 doctorhelvetica= 85 citi.zen= 6 scamp= 2 sidesprang= 4 chezinu= 70 shikyo= 1 phrujbaz= 1 bloodyc0bbler= 32 shockeyy= 1 l10f = 5 ace= 36 abenson= 16 empyrean= 2 caller= 4 flamewheel91= 5 l= 42 foolishness= 3 iaaan= 39 bill murray= 54 xelin= 1 zato-1= 11 cynanmachae= 5 meeple= 54 dozko= 4 nikoner= 4 infundibulum= 5 ~opz~= 3 incognito= 4
doctorhelvetica = 85 chezinu = 70 bill murray = 54 meeple = 54 redtooth = 44 l = 42 iaaan = 39 ace = 36 bloodyc0bbler = 32 d3_crescentia = 16 789 = 16 abenson = 16 [nyc]hobbes = 13 mystlord = 11 zato-1 = 11 fulgrim = 9 ver = 8 sugiuramidori = 7 madnessman = 7 citi.zen = 6 fishball = 5 l10f = 5 cynanmachae = 5 infundibulum = 5 faronel = 4 sidesprang = 4 caller = 4 dozko = 4 nikoner = 4 malongo = 3 foolishness = 3 ~opz~ = 3 quickstriker = 2 masterdana = 2 johnnyspazz = 2 tree.hugger = 2 nemy = 2 scamp = 2 empyrean = 2 amber[light] = 1 vivi57 = 1 shikyo = 1 phrujbaz = 1 shockeyy = 1 xelin = 1
Fixed.. just had to add tab, port to excel, sort, paste
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Wait how did everyone lose posts?
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