EPTI seriously honestly don't want to read thru all these 20+ pages I missed.... can someone PLEASE PLEASEEEEEEE make a post of summarization and brief key points from the start of the game to now??? Please????? I really don't want to sit back, and spend an actual 3 hours reading all this when like today, I had places to go and people to do. Thank you. x_x
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QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
I seriously honestly don't want to read thru all these 20+ pages I missed.... can someone PLEASE PLEASEEEEEEE make a post of summarization and brief key points from the start of the game to now??? Please????? I really don't want to sit back, and spend an actual 3 hours reading all this when like today, I had places to go and people to do. Thank you. x_x | ||
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Fulgrim
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On February 15 2010 14:10 johnnyspazz wrote: i can safely say i barely learned anything from my last game lol It was inactivity guys, luckily this game doesn't seem to have that problem. | ||
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QuickStriker
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And to briefly answer from page 44, I stated my reason for abstaining on page 2 of voting thread. Also on page 24?, I have also stated my transition from last game to this game.... I'll explain more later... | ||
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d3_crescentia
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On February 15 2010 14:12 QuickStriker wrote: Hi everyone, I am back.... wow, the last time I remember I posted, I think it was page 24.... how the hell did this game went to page 44 in one day?? My last mafia game stopped and finished at page 44. This is really sad and interesting at the same time.... I seriously honestly don't want to read thru all these 20+ pages I missed.... can someone PLEASE PLEASEEEEEEE make a post of summarization and brief key points from the start of the game to now??? Please????? I really don't want to sit back, and spend an actual 3 hours reading all this when like today, I had places to go and people to do. Thank you. x_x search through the thread and look at DrH's summary post (except take it with a grain of salt, since he might be some filthy red scum again) | ||
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QuickStriker
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On February 15 2010 14:16 d3_crescentia wrote: search through the thread and look at DrH's summary post (except take it with a grain of salt, since he might be some filthy red scum again) Or have his own personal bias-feedback?? Do you know what page # is that?? I mean you're talking me searching thru 45 pages to find one post.... 15 posts per page times 40 pages.... 600 posts... | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
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d3_crescentia
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On February 15 2010 14:18 QuickStriker wrote: Or have his own personal bias-feedback?? Do you know what page # is that?? I mean you're talking me searching thru 45 pages to find one post.... 15 posts per page times 40 pages.... 600 posts... you could just hit 'All' and Ctrl+F for 'DoctorHelvetica' | ||
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Bill Murray
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On February 15 2010 14:10 johnnyspazz wrote: i can safely say i barely learned anything from my last game lol | ||
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Bill Murray
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i promise you guys that i will try to network for the town. if you are a town member looking for someone to trust, i promise you that you can trust me. if you pm me that you're town i have noone else to tell... because being a poor green you have noone to trust. i know this. i would originally think that being elected would protect me personally, but in fact it would actually put a huge target on my green head. i don't mind this. i am willing to be a martyr for you all for us to actually win this game. we have to be very careful with who our medics protect, and when, and if you look back on past games sometimes medics will protect the same person when it is not needed or not advisable. it would also be nice if we could coordinate who to bomb and when... we need to get a good foundation !!!!! Really, guys! I love you all, I love Team Liquid, and I love this mafia game. Let's, as a town, share the love and eliminate these red threats. Come, chezinu, come ver, come ace, come out from hiding citi.zen let's win. whoever is green... really. i don't want this to be another win for these mafias... if we lose, let it be by eliminating TOO MANY OF THEM rather than NOT ENOUGH. | ||
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rredtooth
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On February 15 2010 12:36 Iaaan wrote: listen kid. i'm going to point it out to you again. it's fairly obvious that i'm townie. like very very obvious. so obvious in fact that i'm surprised at the number of people PM'ing me and saying "OH I DONT THINK YOU ARE MAFIA" and either "I AM THIS ROLE" or "WHO DO YOU THINK MAFIA IS" lol. thanks guys. you guys make me blush.My posts have been a bit lacking of content so far, I'll try to be a bit more insightful. For the town to win, we do not need to kill mafia; the Mafia‘s own KP will be the greatest weapon against the Mafia. What we, the town, needs to do is prepare for the later parts of the game, when our influence on the game really matters. In order to get ready for when our own KP matters, we need information. People have talked about putting together information, by profiling the clues, making circles of people who are connected to each other, and just watching what people post. The other way I can think of getting information is through lynches; if one person being red incriminates another person, it is more useful for the town to lynch them, again with the idea of controlling the balance between the mafia families in the later game. Other than having information, how can we increase our chance of winning? By killing the experienced Mafia. It makes sense to me that the veteran players are taking charge of their Mafia families. Therefore, while killing random Mafia members at this point may not ultimately benefit the town (you may disagree, but it would really just give an early advantage to one of the Mafia families), killing their leader will help the town. So who, with what I’ve said so far, who is the best person to lynch? Ace. Ace. is organizing one of the Mafia families, and Redtooth is his accomplice. The way I have linked them is through Redtooths post for candidacy. + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2010 06:53 redtooth wrote: enough of this. time to get the ball rolling. please prepare for content because... I AM ANNOUNCING MY CANDIDACY FOR MAYOR ![[image loading]](http://i47.tinypic.com/hx9rb9.png) PLATFORM I am running for mayor. Some of you may know that I never run for any position regardless of my role, the reasons being similar to the ones Ver listed. However, I am willing to invest enough energy and effort to lead the town to victory. I have participated in enough mafia games and have developed an adequate understanding of the game. My play so far has demonstrated that I am capable of the high level thinking required for mayor of the town. Also, I am a Decision Science major at Carnegie Mellon. I play mafia for a living. THE OTHER CANDIDATES All of the other veterans running thus far (Ace, BC, L) have too much suspicion surrounding them to be good mayor candidates. Some of the other candidates are either jokes (Chezinu, MasterDana, l10f), or unproven so far in the game (meeple, DrH, citizen). Electing Ver after how the early portion of the elections played out earlier is very very dangerous. I stated earlier that we should not vote for Ver but refrained from explicitly laying out the reasons why. Now that he has outright declared his candidacy, I guess it's time to share my thought process. Quoting an earlier PM I sent to someone: Ver has, knowingly or unknowingly, taken advantage of the opportunity and halfheartedly declared his candidacy. This is the exact position we wanted to avoid. Before I was planning on running for Mayor, I requested that he withdraw his candidacy but I think just explaining the reasons in public should be enough to show that electing him as mayor is unwise. PRE-EMPTIVE DEFENSE Some may be suspicious of me due to my somewhat passionate defense of Ace. As stated before, I have a high degree of respect for Ace and did not want to kill him off due to what I perceived as clue analysis on red herrings. I also don't believe any of the veterans should be killed to "gain interesting insight into how Incognito's clues are going to work" (quoted from [NyC]HoBbes). My late entry into mayoral race shouldn't be regarded with too much suspicion either. Nobody expected the mayor candidates to be caught up in so much shit. I wasn't voted for prior to my announcement so my argument against Ver's candidacy doesn't apply to me. LYNCH CANDIDATE If elected mayor, I plan on lynching Bill Murray. There are obvious reasons (noted by Chezinu in a previous post) why we should be suspicious of him but there is much more to gain from lynching BM. So far he has presented himself as either a bad mafia or an idiot townie. Of course there is a chance that he flips green when mayor lynched and we waste a lynch but we get rid of a player that has a history of being detrimental to the town and isn't too valuable an asset to the town if he is indeed green. However, in the case that he flips red, we are provided with a wealth of information via the list that he posted. So far Bill has yet to post a legitimate defense, choosing instead to make a string of five or so posts that amounts to a desperate strike back at those that accused him. This makes him highly suspicious in my book. I am planning on checking over his behavior in the last game he played but FUTURE PLANS To kill the mafia of course. We have to use our lynches to maximum efficiency and somehow get the DTs to broadcast their information without revealing their identity. Later on in the game, clue analysis should be more abundant than ever before because all players (mafia and town-aligned) benefit from the analysis. If Bill Murray flips red then the focus should immediately shift to the list he posted. The most notable oddity in the list was the absence of Ace despite the mountain of suspicion surrounding him. Please also remember that I was on the list. If anything, it would make sense that either both of us are on the list (a mafia defending a fellow mafia), neither of us are on the list (a townie defending a fellow townie), or Ace is on but I'm not (a mistaken townie risking his neck to defend a mafia). It doesn't make sense that I am on the list but Ace is not (a mafia defending a random townie). Please note that my attempt to lynch Bill Murray isn't out of anger towards him due to my name being on the list. So as of now I would place Ace in the same 'group' as Bill Murray. Though I fought hard to defend Ace thus far, he is far from exonerated and L's clue analysis is as solid as you can possibly get with only Day 1 clues. That means, depending on what color Bill flips, Ace becomes highly suspicious once more. Having said all that I feel that we should keep all the veterans alive as long as possible. They are capable of identifying mafia and (whether its through clue analysis or behavior analysis) call out individuals to lynch. Why is this beneficial for the town? Well as I stated earlier, town can't win if mafia takes out town first but at the same time a mafia family can't win unless they kill off the other mafia family. To identify and call out a mafia member in public would mean either the town or the opposing mafia family can kill that person off. Also, anyone who's been mafia before would know that killing off a veteran mafia member doesn't really get rid of their influence (due to reasons I don't want to state publicly). tl;dr You shouldn't vote for other mayor candidates due to various reasons. Vote for me. I am reasonable, logical, and have basic plans with more in the making. Most importantly, I am innocent. Thank you for your time. The things that make me consider him Mafia are his pre emptive defence, lynch candidate, and his future plans. First off, the preemtive defence. Quite simply, this is him justifying his support for Ace. First Redtooth supports Ace, claiming that the Day 1 clues are always useless. Later he wavers slightly in his support, contradicting himself and admitting that the clues may be useful, but now it looks like he has gone back to supporting Ace. This could be a little ambiguous, but I think that complete/blind trust is suspicious, and maybe Redtooth thinks that aswell. This is also significant, because Redtooths main defence against accusations against him, and people linking him to Ace is that Redtooth claims to mistrust Ace, while refusing to provide a reason. As for lynching Bill Murray in order to determine Ace’s roll, this is just silly. I think most of us can see that Bill Murray was being dumb, but not mafia. By saying that Ace is red if BM is red, when BM is obviously green, Redtooth is creating an arbitrary defence for Ace, as well as wasting a lynch on killing a townie that will not give us any useful information. Redtooth also states that we should keep veterans alive; I can’t say this makes him mafia, it sounds reasonable, but I’ve stated my reasons already why keeping veterans alive is not a good strategy. As for other supporting facts, Ace’s posts arguing with L have not actually refuted any of his points, only deflected them by agreeing with Redtooth that Day 1 clues are useless, when I think it is pretty clear that the clues COULD point to Ace. Other people supporting Ace include Decafchicken, who hasn’t said anything, but just voted for Ace (assuming one of the Mafia families candidates are Redtooth and Ace, Ace is the one with more votes, thus the logical one to vote for), and Abenson hasn’t really added anything, only supported Ace IIRC. These peoples connections aren’t solid, and I’m sure there are other people with similar connections, but I haven’t bothered to find them yet. I haven’t covered anything, but many things have already said if you have read through the thread, but I do want to quote this one post: I agree with many things L has said, the most relevant one being that Ace’s arguments/”trap” are bad, and I support him for saying he may lynch Ace if elected. I was considering voting for citizen, but L is more active, and again I agree with a lot of what he has to say. I can think of a few more reasons that L is the best candidate, but this post is getting pretty long, and my focus is on Ace If anything is unclear/missing, I am happy to talk about that in a later post; I know I haven’t included everything. My last thought, following the theme of getting information for later in the game from out lynch, if Ace is red, it could rule out the other people being accused for the blinding/brightness clues if he flips green, and if he flips red, it gives us a circle of potential Mafia. We win either way. I await your counter arguments; I hope you consider this accusation worthy of a response. for those of you that still don't get it, I AM NOT MAFIA. let's look at the possibilities where i am mafia and why that possibility won't work. - both Ace and I are mafia - Ace is town-aligned and I am mafia Ace and I can't both be mafia. you guys let BM off the hook with the logic that "oh mafia wouldn't let him do something as stupid as that". now think about my actions. i literally went out of my way to defend ace because there were some insights into the clue structure that i felt L wasn't considering it. now if both ace and i were mafia, why would i so blatantly associate myself with ace and create a double target? if anything i can tell ace the same arguments and let him express it himself, letting the mafia family cut their losses with only 1 dead mafia. later on i started to suspect ace of being mafia and stopped defending him, another suspicious event in the eyes of the town but obviously understandable after i explain my reasons. these are all very very very risky plays if i were mafia. the alternative is Ace and i aren't aligned but i am mafia. then reason out why mafia would go out of his way to defend a random townie (or even worse a mafia of the other family). lol i could have done that to earn ace's trust but that's quite a difficult target to trick. that scenario doesn't make any sense at all either. i thought it was so obvious that you guys would understand without me explicitly laying it out but now do you understand why? please understand why... i'm getting sick of this. | ||
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Bill Murray
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citi.zen
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+ Show Spoiler + Mafia 1: Sure enough, the two horsemen began slowly approaching the town. They did not rush across the field, but drifted in and out of the shadows, taking cover from the shadows cast by the clouds. Dreamflower became more nervous, and pointed her gun out the window, waiting for the horsemen to approach. However, she was startled as she noticed a figure walking towards the horsemen. She breathed a sigh of relief when she recognized Qatol. But what was Qatol doing out so late at night? Dreamflower was puzzled, but was snapped back into reality as she noticed the horsemen were only a football field away from her location. Thinking quickly, she decided not to fire a shot, but ran outside to get Qatol to safety. She tried to run in the shadows, but was caught in the middle of the road as the moon pierced through the cloud layer and shone directly on her. The horses neighed, and the first horseman charged dreamflower, spear aimed low at her gut. Dreamflower was blinded from the moonlight that reflected off the horseman, and was a little slow to react. She leaped to the left, and narrowly avoided death. But the second horseman just cackled loudly. Noticing Qatol sneak quietly into the barn to his right, he charged and leaped through the thin walls of the barn, landing straight on Qatol, who died instantly. In a panic, dreamflower ran back into her house to grab her gun, but it was futile. The ground felt moist, and dreamflower slipped as she ran through her front door. The house immediately combusted into flames as a torch flew through the window, igniting the oil-soaked residence. dreamflower’s last thoughts were confusion, for she thought that the torch flew through the window opposite the two horsemen. Mafia 2: Incognito was almost falling asleep standing up, but then noticed a house in flames in the distance. Immediately taking action, he raced down stairs and called up Kennigit to take care of the incident. By the time that both Kennigit and Incognito were racing towards dreamflower’s burning house, there was more commotion in the streets. Panicked citizens walked out of their houses to figure out what was happening, but they quickly retreated back to the safety of their homes once they heard gunshots and a hyena-like noise outside. The mayor and pardoner stopped in the town square, pausing for a moment to come up with a plan. But no plan would arise. The crazed psychopathic noises approached swiftly, and Incognito had no time to react as a shadowy figure leapt from a roof above and ripped his head off, still laughing as it raced down another alley leading out of the town square. Kennigit had time to get his thoughts together, and swiftly chased after the figure. But his path was suddenly blocked by one of the horsemen. Fearing that his end was near, Kennigit hid behind a barrel of wine, and was astonished that the horseman did not pursue him. However, at the end of the alleyway, he noticed a light getting brighter and brighter in magnitude. He heard a scowl, as the horseman turned around and fled the other way, riding as if he were either blinded or drunk. Kennigit emerged from behind the wine barrel, thinking that an angel had saved the town. Unfortunately, Kennigit did not find favor from the now radiant creature, and exploded into a shower of blue light. A few moments later, however, and the town was once again consumed with darkness. Possible links to players, ordered by position on sign-up list: BloodyC0bbler - profile picture fits the 2nd killer, mafia 2 Ace - profile pic / mafia 1 killer 1 - Profile quote matches killer 2 mafia 2. + Show Spoiler + If darkness is bad, why does it hide you? If light is good, why does it blind you? - ItEndsInTears Empyrean - name etymology matches killer 2, Mafia 2 Amber[LighT] - weak connection to killer 2, mafia 2 via clan tag. Fishball - profile pick possible connection to killer 1, mafia 2 Zato-1 - weak quote connection to dreamflower's killer + Show Spoiler + 'Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both', indeed. Unless... the fire! It burns! IT BURNS! STAY AWAY FROM ME! Mystlord - profile pic could point to both dreamflower's killer and mafia 2, killer 2 CynanMachae - profile pic / killer 1, mafia 1 I will also mention that I do once again think we have mafia candidates, so please take a closer look at everyone on that list (again in the order of sign-up). I find all the "general theory of mafia" posts distracting at best, and maybe even counter-productive. Don't let anyone put thoughts in your head about how a game should or should not go, and don't "trust" other players based on prior reputation (yes, this goes for me as well, and also Ver, Ace, L or any other candidate). Also, remember this is a brand-new format. Demand hard evidence whenever possible, and if you don't have it don't share sensitive information. Pay attention to who votes for whom, and when. I still have no idea why Chezinu initiallybrought my name up repeatedly in this election. It makes me nervous when I see that sort of supposed "trust", especially from a veteran player who I never previously spoke to. + Show Spoiler + Other than this, as far as I can tell meaningless message: To: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: Whats up! Date: 2/10/10 11:18 We shall see. What makes yo think that? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Your going to on my team! Campaign section: Since a few people questioned my level of activity: I am generally much less active during weekends and a lot more active during the week, if/when things are slow at work. Weekends are spent with the wife/daughter, who I don't see that much during the week. Another good question about my candidacy is how it relates to the last mafia game. As stated above, I will be the first to recommend you remain cautious about everyone's past experience in mafia games, myself included. I am not promising any "pew-pew laser" solutions: there are none, unless the mafia screws up in a major way. If I get elected fine, otherwise good riddance, 51 players = nightmare for an official! | ||
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rredtooth
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L is pretty safe too. as a matter of fact i'm heading to the voting thread right now to vote L. | ||
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citi.zen
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Bill Murray
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Chezinu
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On February 15 2010 14:43 redtooth wrote: AND IF YOU THINK I AM TOWN ALIGNED YOU SHOULD OBVIOUSLY VOTE ME MAYOR. seriously you are electing citizen literally solely on the fact that "okay he was good in last game". he has said nothing this game. he has done nothing to show his town-alignment. why would you risk that? GUYS USE YOUR HEADS! L is pretty safe too. as a matter of fact i'm heading to the voting thread right now to vote L. The word citizens is used in the day post! | ||
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