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On February 14 2010 15:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: ALSO NOTE:
Anyone bringing up previous games to justify ones actions in the current game should not be validated on that. If you are playing for town and analyze clues one way, being red does not mean you will analyze them the same way.
In the case of L vs Ace.
Yes as town, L nailed truthbringer.
If L is mafia this game, he would be trying to remove ace because is he is A) a mafia member of another group B) townie that could threaten his position
Yes, L could be a townie but he is still pushing to hard on day 1 to kill off one player based off clues. I'm all for killing the moonlight rider. If you can show me that he isn't Ace, I'll gladly listen to what you have to say.
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On February 14 2010 15:12 madnessman wrote: As others have mentioned, in the passage there is quite a lot of imagery regarding darkness and light. A lot of players' profiles allude to this in some form or another. So in this regard, getting carried away and everybody jumping on the bandwagon and pointing fingers at individuals whose profiles have a vague connection to these clues may not be the best idea. Well I'll be damned, someone actually made a compelling case for why the suspicion on Ace may be misplaced. Color me impressed.
The fact that darkness and light references not only have to do with the twin horsemen that killed Qatol, but go on with the burning house, the shadowy figure that killed Incognito and the radiant being that killed Kennigit... it does raise the possibility that while trying to portray one mafia family with imagery of darkness and the other with light, Incognito unwittingly placed Ace in the crossfire.
I am now prepared to admit that the evidence against Ace is insufficient. Well done, madnessman.
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Seems like once again tip 5 is my struggle...
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Mystlord
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On February 14 2010 15:36 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 15:31 L wrote:On February 14 2010 15:26 Ace wrote: Come on L, you're really trying hard to force my death here. This is pretty bad play :/
When I flip green, you should just offer yourself to be voted off. I think the moonlight rider is the most complete set of linked clues from the first post. I'm open to alternative explanations of who its pointing to, but no one's decided to balls up and go for it. Including you. If you flip red and I'm crowned as the best clue guy ever, I'll be sure to abuse my status and authority to get you killed off on day 1 using blatantly unrelated clues instead of incredibly damning ones in a future game. Sound good? If he flips red, you have to admit that I found the clue first. Ace was one of the few profiles I memorized... I remember in Caller's game I caught him riding on horseback when he was on vacation.. ahh good old times... What is this, personal glory time? Makes no sense whatsoever.
And I think BloddyC0bbler's statement regarding l10f has some truth in it.
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On February 14 2010 15:31 Faronel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 14:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 14 2010 14:18 Faronel wrote: I think Ace was right... It's kind of a RISK like game with mini alliances where the town acts like a mafia family with kp of 1. There's definitely some intrigue here.
So just to clear this up...
we have 5 people contending for mayor? Ace, L, Citizen, l10f, meeple, and Ver.
Right now everyone has 1 vote except for Ace and Ver who have 2 votes.
Edit: So much "omg that's exactly what mafia would do!" b/w the L and Ace sides. I've of teh opinion that both are vets, so they wouldn't be making any noob mistakes in terms of a scumtell. But isn't it a bit early to be throwing around some wild accusations as "that's what mafia would do. He must be mafia". It seems the mayor vote is a bit of a lucky guess, because like in the last Incog mafia game, we have a mafia sheriff. We can only know so much about the candidates... and instead of throwing around accusations, focus on a plan for what happens are we have a mayor (like if we lynch the other runner or w/e).
What did you edit? There were only 2 posts underneath me. I figured it didn't warrant another post. Pro tip: It always warrants another post. Don't worry about double posting or whatever, just make a separate post. It is too easy to hide mistakes when you are allowed to edit.
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On February 14 2010 15:44 Mystlord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 15:36 Chezinu wrote:On February 14 2010 15:31 L wrote:On February 14 2010 15:26 Ace wrote: Come on L, you're really trying hard to force my death here. This is pretty bad play :/
When I flip green, you should just offer yourself to be voted off. I think the moonlight rider is the most complete set of linked clues from the first post. I'm open to alternative explanations of who its pointing to, but no one's decided to balls up and go for it. Including you. If you flip red and I'm crowned as the best clue guy ever, I'll be sure to abuse my status and authority to get you killed off on day 1 using blatantly unrelated clues instead of incredibly damning ones in a future game. Sound good? If he flips red, you have to admit that I found the clue first. Ace was one of the few profiles I memorized... I remember in Caller's game I caught him riding on horseback when he was on vacation.. ahh good old times... What is this, personal glory time? Makes no sense whatsoever. And I think BloddyC0bbler's statement regarding l10f has some truth in it. Its not suppose to make sense to you, I'm not talking to you. I am speaking to a select few and am to lazy to write pm's to them so I allude to things only they would know.
Kind of how my stereogram can only be read by some people. So therefore the message will be sent to the mafia since they have a lot of people - atleast one will be able to read it. I do this all game just so you know.
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I personally don't want to get in too deep with the Ace/L confrontation, as I think it has the potential to derail the town in a big way, but for the record, here are my two cents on the issue and where we stand as a whole.
The bottom line as far as I'm concerned is that using the first lynch on whichever player the clues point to most, whether or not the consensus ends up being that that player is Ace, is not a bad thing. Even if they are first day clues, and probably not reliable, we still can get some interesting insights into a lot of the workings of this particular game, and the thought processes of our fellow players.
Since the current consensus on the clues seems to point to Ace, I'll use him for an example. Regardless of which way Ace flips, I don't think getting rid of him is necessarily a bad idea. If we were to lynch Ace and he flips red, we'll gain interesting insight into how Incognito's clues are going to work for this game, and we'll gain some information about those who are defending him so vehemently. If he flips green, we'll know that the clues aren't as obvious as they seem, and we could get some information from reading back over the posts of people who were accusing him.
I don't give any credence to the idea that a player is sacrosanct because they have proven themselves to be skilled in the past. To my mind, keeping Ace around because "if he's innocent, the town needs him" is complete bull. There isn't a single player in this game who is so far and beyond the abilities of all the other players as to be essential. With this in mind, I think the best strategy is to follow clues as much as we can on the first day. We're not going to have enough posting history, or evidence that we can use to go through that posting history to make a lynch based on behavior, and the first lynch is always basically a crapshoot.
Also, the person with the most clues pointing towards them will likely have generated the most discussion in the thread, whether that be them defending themselves, others accusing them, others defending them, etc. Lynching this person will give us one definite piece of information (their role) to use as a viewpoint when going back and looking at other player's posting history.
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i wish chezinu would be modkilled. don't want to waste a lynch on him but he's like a less funny 0cz3c - useless and distracting.
as for mayors: none of them have presented any reason to vote for them. l10f made what appeared at first to be a troll platform. as of now, neither Ace and L should be trusted too much, especially with the power of mayor.
that would leave citizen but i've yet to see either show any promise in the thread. i keep hearing good things about him but have yet to personally see it (i haven't read through the other mafia game) and the only thing i've seen so far from him is his promise to not trust anyone (duh...).
i would also refrain from pushing for Ver to be mayor and voting for him despite his lack of candidacy. it's not funny and it's really, really not smart.
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It's chezinu's self-described "style": deliberately and randomly changes strategy many times throughout the game and generally paint everyone "brown". I was concerned a little bit when he kept brining up my name in the election before I even announced I was running, but in the meantime it seems he has moved on to other targets to "support" :-)
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On February 14 2010 15:53 redtooth wrote: i wish chezinu would be modkilled. don't want to waste a lynch on him but he's like a less funny 0cz3c - useless and distracting.
as for mayors: none of them have presented any reason to vote for them. l10f made what appeared at first to be a troll platform. as of now, neither Ace and L should be trusted too much, especially with the power of mayor.
that would leave citizen but i've yet to see either show any promise in the thread. i keep hearing good things about him but have yet to personally see it (i haven't read through the other mafia game) and the only thing i've seen so far from him is his promise to not trust anyone (duh...).
i would also refrain from pushing for Ver to be mayor and voting for him despite his lack of candidacy. it's not funny and it's really, really not smart.
We had a player kinda like chezinu last game, we killed him just because he was irritating as shit, and it didn't accomplish much of anything.
As for citizen, I can vouch for him as an excellent player based on Incognito's last game, obviously I can't vouch for his being/not being mafia
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On February 14 2010 15:53 redtooth wrote: i wish chezinu would be modkilled. don't want to waste a lynch on him but he's like a less funny 0cz3c - useless and distracting.
as for mayors: none of them have presented any reason to vote for them. l10f made what appeared at first to be a troll platform. as of now, neither Ace and L should be trusted too much, especially with the power of mayor.
that would leave citizen but i've yet to see either show any promise in the thread. i keep hearing good things about him but have yet to personally see it (i haven't read through the other mafia game) and the only thing i've seen so far from him is his promise to not trust anyone (duh...).
i would also refrain from pushing for Ver to be mayor and voting for him despite his lack of candidacy. it's not funny and it's really, really not smart.
Simple, as of now there is a really narrow gap on how to vote us in.
Each of us is most likely trying to figure out some method in which to push up to the top and win, as any candiate would. However, clues at this point IMO are not enough to warrant being voted in. A plan would be.
I would go with this.
Ace/L/Myself/whoever else is running, are all trying to figure out some little plan to put ourself above the rest.
As of now, everything that I have come up with, although fun on paper, is insanely hard to actually accomplish, and very very easy to stop. Soon as I figure something out, Ill post it.
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On February 14 2010 15:38 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 15:12 madnessman wrote: As others have mentioned, in the passage there is quite a lot of imagery regarding darkness and light. A lot of players' profiles allude to this in some form or another. So in this regard, getting carried away and everybody jumping on the bandwagon and pointing fingers at individuals whose profiles have a vague connection to these clues may not be the best idea. Well I'll be damned, someone actually made a compelling case for why the suspicion on Ace may be misplaced. Color me impressed. The fact that darkness and light references not only have to do with the twin horsemen that killed Qatol, but go on with the burning house, the shadowy figure that killed Incognito and the radiant being that killed Kennigit... it does raise the possibility that while trying to portray one mafia family with imagery of darkness and the other with light, Incognito unwittingly placed Ace in the crossfire. I am now prepared to admit that the evidence against Ace is insufficient. Well done, madnessman. I went back and looked at the clues because 789 was brought up, and I decided to fully flesh out the moonlight rider because there are a number of directly linked clues that people ignore when discussing him.
Here i've bolded the relevant clues:
+ Show Spoiler +As darkness set over the town of Liquidia, a light, warm, wind blew across the land. The moon, now high in the sky, peeked in and out of the clouds and cast ominous shadows throughout the streets. The town was quiet except for a few straggling workers plodding home. The town had been exhausted from the last rebuilding, and many shopkeepers lacked the will and the customers to stay open through the evening.
Mayor Incognito peered out of his apartment building, noticing the tranquility that had recently come to the town. After all, the mafia had been swiftly eliminated last year, and was unlikely to come back. Or so he thought.
For the most part, the town was dark, excepting the moon which occasionally peeked out of the clouds. As Pardoner Kennigit prepared to retire for the night, he noticed that one room in the City Hall building remained lit. It was Qatol, who had been slaving laboriously in drafting a new constitution for the town. Sighing, Qatol decided to call it quits for the night. The new town constitution was almost complete; it only had a few details that needed to be straightened out. So he turned off the light and began his trek home.
Dreamflower, whose house was on the outskirts of town, was nervous at the sight of the weather outside. She was not comforted by the fact that shadows kept appearing around her house, although she knew it was only the moon behind the moving clouds. Suddenly however, she noticed two horsemen stopped on the ridge in the distance. Nowadays, it was strange for anyone to be out this late at night. Wary that the mafia had returned, dreamflower quickly walked back to her closet and retrieved the most accurate gun she could find, and parked near her window, waiting.
Sure enough, the two horsemen began slowly approaching the town. They did not rush across the field, but drifted in and out of the shadows, taking cover from the shadows cast by the clouds. Dreamflower became more nervous, and pointed her gun out the window, waiting for the horsemen to approach. However, she was startled as she noticed a figure walking towards the horsemen. She breathed a sigh of relief when she recognized Qatol. But what was Qatol doing out so late at night? Dreamflower was puzzled, but was snapped back into reality as she noticed the horsemen were only a football field away from her location. Thinking quickly, she decided not to fire a shot, but ran outside to get Qatol to safety. She tried to run in the shadows, but was caught in the middle of the road as the moon pierced through the cloud layer and shone directly on her. The horses neighed, and the first horseman charged dreamflower, spear aimed low at her gut. Dreamflower was blinded from the moonlight that reflected off the horseman, and was a little slow to react. She leaped to the left, and narrowly avoided death. But the second horseman just cackled loudly. Noticing Qatol sneak quietly into the barn to his right, the horseman charged and leaped through the thin walls of the barn, landing straight on Qatol, who died instantly. In a panic, dreamflower ran back into her house to grab her gun, but it was futile. The ground felt moist, and dreamflower slipped as she ran through her front door. The house immediately combusted into flames as a torch flew through the window, igniting the oil-soaked residence. dreamflower’s last thoughts were confusion, for she thought that the torch flew through the window opposite the two horsemen.
Incognito was almost falling asleep standing up, but then noticed a house in flames in the distance. Immediately taking action, he raced down stairs and called up Kennigit to take care of the incident. By the time that both Kennigit and Incognito were racing towards dreamflower’s burning house, there was more commotion in the streets. Panicked citizens walked out of their houses to figure out what was happening, but they quickly retreated back to the safety of their homes once they heard gunshots and a hyena-like noise outside. The mayor and pardoner stopped in the town square, pausing for a moment to come up with a plan. But no plan would arise. The crazed psychopathic noises approached swiftly, and Incognito had no time to react as a shadowy figure leapt from a roof above and ripped his head off, still laughing as it raced down another alley leading out of the town square. Kennigit had time to get his thoughts together, and swiftly chased after the figure. But his path was suddenly blocked by one of the horsemen. Fearing that his end was near, Kennigit hid behind a barrel of wine, and was astonished that the horseman did not pursue him. However, at the end of the alleyway, he noticed a light getting brighter and brighter in magnitude. He heard a scowl, as the horseman turned around and fled the other way, riding as if he were either blinded or drunk. Kennigit emerged from behind the wine barrel, thinking that an angel had saved the town. Unfortunately, Kennigit did not find favor from the now radiant creature, and exploded into a shower of blue light. A few moments later, however, and the town was once again consumed with darkness.
So essentially we have two portions in which horsemen take place; the attack at dreamflower's and the kennigit incident.
In the first portion, we have two horsemen. The first is the moonlight rider. The second is the cackling rider. The moonlight rider has a number of defining features. -Can blend into shadows. -Has a spear. -Reflects moonlight to blind. -Can essentially walk through walls. -Heavy enough to instantly kill people.
Secondary features which could be herrings:
-Got Qatol out of his house. -Related to the moon.
In the second portion, we have one of the horseman who reappears. Is it moonlight rider or the cackling horseman? On my first reading I assume it was the first horseman, but it could be the second as well.
-Is quick or stealthy; He appears suddenly. -Is blinded by the light.
After this, an angel appears who vaporizes kennigit in a shower of blue light. In my first reading I assumed that the horseman was the one that started glowing then did the vaporization.
Overall, I'm gonna have to re-examine the profiles, because its pretty clear that I misread two pretty large things (angel isn't the horseman and the town horseman might not be the first horseman). I originally thought 789 was a pretty good candidate for the moonlight rider, but not anymore after looking at the clues again. I'm going to run through the profiles again tomorrow to see if anyone fits this new set of themes better. I'ma do that tomorrow.
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I'd vote for Ver or BC because I have more trust in them than any other candidate. My rule for elected positions is to vote for good, sensible players that won't do anything radical unless something out of the blue pops up and gives me a different reason.
@Hobbes: If someone keeps egging me on based on clues, then I die and flip green you should lynch the accuser. You forgot to mention that in your post. Everyone should be held accountable. If we let people point fingers and an innocent gets lynched and they get away with an "oops", then everyone is going to do it.
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WOw..... so so so much pages of posts!!! Nothing compared to the previous mafia games where this is just utterly insane. Only hours after game there, we went from page 10 to page 24.... seriously, WHAT THE FUCK. On the mafia game I was at, I predicted it would end at page 44 (I was wrong, it ended at page 43 I think) when I died at page 40 because everyone was unproductive and lazy...
So basically from what am I gathering so far by merely skimming thru b/c I can't really read 14 pages of this at 1:55 AM in the morning after coming back from work (for my mental state is now like 40% atm), is the following:
1. 5-6 candidates running, one or two can easily be mafias, either mafia families possible
2. Game just started and started during a major holiday (Valentines and Lunar New Year) thus many ppl are still inactive (sorta me as well) which make sense so give at least a whole day or so....
3. L and Chez talks a bit much imo...
And that's pretty much it with my rapid 20 minutes skim thru of 14 pages. But I will make my last announcement in case everyone sees a little difference toward me from my last mafia game. That last mafia game started during my winter break and I had so much free time to freely be active. Not so much in this case where I have school, commitments, and also a radio/DJ training to do so that I can have my own radio show in the future (as seen in my recent blog posts). So please everyone understand I won't be HYPER SUPER ACTIVE as before but will contribute whenever I am able to. Thank you!
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As a note to quickstriker, out of say 6 people running, assume 1 from each family will be in the elections. Normally a family would put forth 1 possibly 2 members (this case not as safe as the other family is watching) so most likely 1 from each family, maybe one family put ahead 2.
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and on that last note, im hitting the sac.
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Why not redtooth?
<---haven't casted a vote yet
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On February 14 2010 15:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I10f has posted next to nothing for his candidacy yet is getting supporters? This is what makes one sketchy. He has votes, he has no platform past "i will lynch a previous red from another game" and bam he inspires confidence while hiding in the woodworks. All those who have so far fallen into support of him, or have voted for him are insanely suspect. I10f's proposed lynch target is not 'a previous red from another game'. If you think people shouldn't vote for him, you should start by trying to make your own campaign as attractive as possible, instead of threatening those who vote for others.
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On February 14 2010 15:58 citi.zen wrote: It's chezinu's self-described "style": deliberately and randomly changes strategy many times throughout the game and generally paint everyone "brown". I was concerned a little bit when he kept brining up my name in the election before I even announced I was running, but in the meantime it seems he has moved on to other targets to "support" :-) i've played with chezinu before many times. we have corresponded via PM many many many times. we even have this thing where he tries to associate himself with me and i always deny it vehemently. yes i know chezinu's "style" very well.
this isn't chezinu's style.
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