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On February 14 2010 16:12 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 15:58 citi.zen wrote:
It's chezinu's self-described "style": deliberately and randomly changes strategy many times throughout the game and generally paint everyone "brown". I was concerned a little bit when he kept brining up my name in the election before I even announced I was running, but in the meantime it seems he has moved on to other targets to "support" :-) i've played with chezinu before many times. we have corresponded via PM many many many times. we even have this thing where he tries to associate himself with me and i always deny it vehemently. yes i know chezinu's "style" very well. this isn't chezinu's style.
maybe just maybe.. one day we will be on the same team... maybe we are on the same team right now and we don't even know it...
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On February 14 2010 15:38 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 15:12 madnessman wrote:
As others have mentioned, in the passage there is quite a lot of imagery regarding darkness and light. A lot of players' profiles allude to this in some form or another. So in this regard, getting carried away and everybody jumping on the bandwagon and pointing fingers at individuals whose profiles have a vague connection to these clues may not be the best idea. Well I'll be damned, someone actually made a compelling case for why the suspicion on Ace may be misplaced. Color me impressed. The fact that darkness and light references not only have to do with the twin horsemen that killed Qatol, but go on with the burning house, the shadowy figure that killed Incognito and the radiant being that killed Kennigit... it does raise the possibility that while trying to portray one mafia family with imagery of darkness and the other with light, Incognito unwittingly placed Ace in the crossfire. I am now prepared to admit that the evidence against Ace is insufficient. Well done, madnessman.
Haha I did also say this in the next paragraph though:
(That said though, I would not readily dismiss Ace as potential mafia as his quote is tightly linked to the dark/light imagery, but more importantly, his scathing post dismissed accusations against him only based on a "im smart and valuable, ur dumb" kind of thing..argumentum ad hominem?!)
In any case, I think we have to vote for the Mayor/Pardoner soon, so it would be useful to know who's running and other info.
Procrastinating from doing homework.. ergo a catch up for people lost in the sea of posts/just compiling what has been said so far.
Mayor Candidate | Reason to vote | Who they will lynch and why (info objective: as given in their platforms)
The Good | The Bad (info subjective: the general publics opinion)
BloodyC0bbler | The voice of unity and strength | ?
Very experienced | Platform has no substance, therefore suspicious when compared to prev. platforms
Chezinzu | N/A (lol) | ?
Fresh blood | Pointless spam
L | Excellent clue-analyzer (his name is L for gods sake people lol) | Ace I'm guessing? For strong clue-linkage? Also mentioned Chez or an inactive.
Very experienced, very successful in the past | Overly aggressive strategy towards Ace?
l10f | He has a blue star/is awesome | Mafia member who killed him off last game/Chezinu (joke answers i believe)
Fresh? | Has proposed no game plan or given any serious answers.
Bill Murray | Liberty, equality, power | Whoever the majority wants
Will listen to the public voice | Will just jump on the band-wagon
Meeple | Active, prev. experience as mayor turned out well | ?
Unbiased, impartial, observant | no criticism so far
DoctorHelevetica | He finds it nice to have a special role | Bloodyc0bbler for suspicious platform
Fair, will listen to public | no criticism so far
I'm personally leaning towards L for mayor but am wary of Ace being innocent and as a valuable asset being killed off so early in game.
As a note to quickstriker, out of say 6 people running, assume 1 from each family will be in the elections. Normally a family would put forth 1 possibly 2 members (this case not as safe as the other family is watching) so most likely 1 from each family, maybe one family put ahead 2.
So as BloodyC0bbler has said, we should expect at least two of these candidates to be mafia members? HMM D: SO MANY QUESTIONS SO FEW ANSWERS
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On February 14 2010 16:05 Ace wrote:
I'd vote for Ver or BC because I have more trust in them than any other candidate. My rule for elected positions is to vote for good, sensible players that won't do anything radical unless something out of the blue pops up and gives me a different reason.
@Hobbes: If someone keeps egging me on based on clues, then I die and flip green you should lynch the accuser. You forgot to mention that in your post. Everyone should be held accountable. If we let people point fingers and an innocent gets lynched and they get away with an "oops", then everyone is going to do it.
At this rate Ver is going to win the election without actually running.
I do agree that the people most vocal in accusing someone have to fall under suspicion if the person they accuse flips green, but at this stage, I don't think the best play would be to immediately lynch the accuser. If they're green, and analyzed the clues wrong, we'll lose a player, and if they're red, and pushing that hard for a clue lynch this early, there will be plenty of material to nail them on later, and leaving them in the game for a bit longer while going after other mafia would give us more of a chance to see which players tend to bandwagon with them, or which players defend them most actively when they come under scrutiny.
At this point in the game I think there's still a pretty large chance that the accuser is innocent and misread clues, since we could basically pick a player name out of a hat and have the same chance of guessing which a first-day mafia is. It wouldn't be a smart red tactic to barge out of the gates vocally accusing someone based on scant to no evidence, as they are only bringing attention to themselves, with an overwhelming chance to be seen as a false accuser. If they are actually a red player making that kind of play, I think they'll blunder themselves and their allies into much deeper trouble in relatively short order. If not, they're probably innocent.
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ok so is this what we have so far?
clue analysis
Two horsemen:
Clacked horseman – watched and laughed
Mirror horseman - tried to kill dreamflower with a spear.
Arson:
Used oil and a torch to kill Dreamflower
Killer from above:
Ripped incog’s head off and laughed.
Blue fire killer:
The blue fire grew brighter and brigher on the victim then boom!!! Blue light went everywhere.
other stuff:
Matches to most clues: Ace and Mystlord.
who everyone is crazy about: Ace
Who everyone thinks is annoying: Chezinu
Epic battle as usual: L vs Ace
others accused: BC and 789
Who chezinu thought was innocent because their name was in day post: cit.zen
possible teammates? (very loose): Ver, L, and Mystlord
People claiming to me that they know the answer to my stereograms: 0
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2010 16:21 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 15:38 Zato-1 wrote:On February 14 2010 15:12 madnessman wrote:
As others have mentioned, in the passage there is quite a lot of imagery regarding darkness and light. A lot of players' profiles allude to this in some form or another. So in this regard, getting carried away and everybody jumping on the bandwagon and pointing fingers at individuals whose profiles have a vague connection to these clues may not be the best idea. Well I'll be damned, someone actually made a compelling case for why the suspicion on Ace may be misplaced. Color me impressed. The fact that darkness and light references not only have to do with the twin horsemen that killed Qatol, but go on with the burning house, the shadowy figure that killed Incognito and the radiant being that killed Kennigit... it does raise the possibility that while trying to portray one mafia family with imagery of darkness and the other with light, Incognito unwittingly placed Ace in the crossfire. I am now prepared to admit that the evidence against Ace is insufficient. Well done, madnessman. Haha I did also say this in the next paragraph though: Show nested quote +(That said though, I would not readily dismiss Ace as potential mafia as his quote is tightly linked to the dark/light imagery, but more importantly, his scathing post dismissed accusations against him only based on a "im smart and valuable, ur dumb" kind of thing..argumentum ad hominem?!) In any case, I think we have to vote for the Mayor/Pardoner soon, so it would be useful to know who's running and other info. Procrastinating from doing homework.. ergo a catch up for people lost in the sea of posts/just compiling what has been said so far. Mayor Candidate | Reason to vote | Who they will lynch and why (info objective: as given in their platforms) The Good | The Bad (info subjective: the general publics opinion) BloodyC0bbler | The voice of unity and strength | ? Very experienced | Platform has no substance, therefore suspicious when compared to prev. platforms Chezinzu | N/A (lol) | ? Fresh blood | Pointless spam L | Excellent clue-analyzer (his name is L for gods sake people lol) | Ace I'm guessing? For strong clue-linkage? Also mentioned Chez or an inactive. Very experienced, very successful in the past | Overly aggressive strategy towards Ace? l10f | He has a blue star/is awesome | Mafia member who killed him off last game/Chezinu (joke answers i believe) Fresh? | Has proposed no game plan or given any serious answers. Bill Murray | Liberty, equality, power | Whoever the majority wants Will listen to the public voice | Will just jump on the band-wagon Meeple | Active, prev. experience as mayor turned out well | ? Unbiased, impartial, observant | no criticism so far DoctorHelevetica | He finds it nice to have a special role | Bloodyc0bbler for suspicious platform Fair, will listen to public | no criticism so far I'm personally leaning towards L for mayor but am wary of Ace being innocent and as a valuable asset being killed off so early in game. Show nested quote +As a note to quickstriker, out of say 6 people running, assume 1 from each family will be in the elections. Normally a family would put forth 1 possibly 2 members (this case not as safe as the other family is watching) so most likely 1 from each family, maybe one family put ahead 2. So as BloodyC0bbler has said, we should expect at least two of these candidates to be mafia members? HMM D: SO MANY QUESTIONS SO FEW ANSWERS
shit mb citi.zen is also running.
citi.zen | Qualified, viligante | ?
Experienced, will analyze clues | no criticism so far
and Chezinzu.. pointless spam.. or is it?! playing mental mind trix on us i say.
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@Hobbes: Don't worry. There's more than enough time for Ver to come back and make a stronger argument. Hell the post he made about not basing actions off of clues has done more to make himself legit in my book than anything any other candidate has done besides BC.
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On February 14 2010 16:31 madnessman wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2010 16:21 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 15:38 Zato-1 wrote:On February 14 2010 15:12 madnessman wrote:
As others have mentioned, in the passage there is quite a lot of imagery regarding darkness and light. A lot of players' profiles allude to this in some form or another. So in this regard, getting carried away and everybody jumping on the bandwagon and pointing fingers at individuals whose profiles have a vague connection to these clues may not be the best idea. Well I'll be damned, someone actually made a compelling case for why the suspicion on Ace may be misplaced. Color me impressed. The fact that darkness and light references not only have to do with the twin horsemen that killed Qatol, but go on with the burning house, the shadowy figure that killed Incognito and the radiant being that killed Kennigit... it does raise the possibility that while trying to portray one mafia family with imagery of darkness and the other with light, Incognito unwittingly placed Ace in the crossfire. I am now prepared to admit that the evidence against Ace is insufficient. Well done, madnessman. Haha I did also say this in the next paragraph though: Show nested quote +(That said though, I would not readily dismiss Ace as potential mafia as his quote is tightly linked to the dark/light imagery, but more importantly, his scathing post dismissed accusations against him only based on a "im smart and valuable, ur dumb" kind of thing..argumentum ad hominem?!) In any case, I think we have to vote for the Mayor/Pardoner soon, so it would be useful to know who's running and other info. Procrastinating from doing homework.. ergo a catch up for people lost in the sea of posts/just compiling what has been said so far. Mayor Candidate | Reason to vote | Who they will lynch and why (info objective: as given in their platforms) The Good | The Bad (info subjective: the general publics opinion) BloodyC0bbler | The voice of unity and strength | ? Very experienced | Platform has no substance, therefore suspicious when compared to prev. platforms Chezinzu | N/A (lol) | ? Fresh blood | Pointless spam L | Excellent clue-analyzer (his name is L for gods sake people lol) | Ace I'm guessing? For strong clue-linkage? Also mentioned Chez or an inactive. Very experienced, very successful in the past | Overly aggressive strategy towards Ace? l10f | He has a blue star/is awesome | Mafia member who killed him off last game/Chezinu (joke answers i believe) Fresh? | Has proposed no game plan or given any serious answers. Bill Murray | Liberty, equality, power | Whoever the majority wants Will listen to the public voice | Will just jump on the band-wagon Meeple | Active, prev. experience as mayor turned out well | ? Unbiased, impartial, observant | no criticism so far DoctorHelevetica | He finds it nice to have a special role | Bloodyc0bbler for suspicious platform Fair, will listen to public | no criticism so far I'm personally leaning towards L for mayor but am wary of Ace being innocent and as a valuable asset being killed off so early in game. Show nested quote +As a note to quickstriker, out of say 6 people running, assume 1 from each family will be in the elections. Normally a family would put forth 1 possibly 2 members (this case not as safe as the other family is watching) so most likely 1 from each family, maybe one family put ahead 2. So as BloodyC0bbler has said, we should expect at least two of these candidates to be mafia members? HMM D: SO MANY QUESTIONS SO FEW ANSWERS shit mb citi.zen is also running. citi.zen | Qualified, viligante | ? Experienced, will analyze clues | no criticism so far and Chezinzu.. pointless spam.. or is it?! playing mental mind trix on us i say.
I'm a noob at this game.. I just wanted to try.. Being new is so hard... I just don't understand this game... Can you please help someone with fresh blood?
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On February 14 2010 16:33 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 16:31 madnessman wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2010 16:21 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 15:38 Zato-1 wrote:On February 14 2010 15:12 madnessman wrote:
As others have mentioned, in the passage there is quite a lot of imagery regarding darkness and light. A lot of players' profiles allude to this in some form or another. So in this regard, getting carried away and everybody jumping on the bandwagon and pointing fingers at individuals whose profiles have a vague connection to these clues may not be the best idea. Well I'll be damned, someone actually made a compelling case for why the suspicion on Ace may be misplaced. Color me impressed. The fact that darkness and light references not only have to do with the twin horsemen that killed Qatol, but go on with the burning house, the shadowy figure that killed Incognito and the radiant being that killed Kennigit... it does raise the possibility that while trying to portray one mafia family with imagery of darkness and the other with light, Incognito unwittingly placed Ace in the crossfire. I am now prepared to admit that the evidence against Ace is insufficient. Well done, madnessman. Haha I did also say this in the next paragraph though: Show nested quote +(That said though, I would not readily dismiss Ace as potential mafia as his quote is tightly linked to the dark/light imagery, but more importantly, his scathing post dismissed accusations against him only based on a "im smart and valuable, ur dumb" kind of thing..argumentum ad hominem?!) In any case, I think we have to vote for the Mayor/Pardoner soon, so it would be useful to know who's running and other info. Procrastinating from doing homework.. ergo a catch up for people lost in the sea of posts/just compiling what has been said so far. Mayor Candidate | Reason to vote | Who they will lynch and why (info objective: as given in their platforms) The Good | The Bad (info subjective: the general publics opinion) BloodyC0bbler | The voice of unity and strength | ? Very experienced | Platform has no substance, therefore suspicious when compared to prev. platforms Chezinzu | N/A (lol) | ? Fresh blood | Pointless spam L | Excellent clue-analyzer (his name is L for gods sake people lol) | Ace I'm guessing? For strong clue-linkage? Also mentioned Chez or an inactive. Very experienced, very successful in the past | Overly aggressive strategy towards Ace? l10f | He has a blue star/is awesome | Mafia member who killed him off last game/Chezinu (joke answers i believe) Fresh? | Has proposed no game plan or given any serious answers. Bill Murray | Liberty, equality, power | Whoever the majority wants Will listen to the public voice | Will just jump on the band-wagon Meeple | Active, prev. experience as mayor turned out well | ? Unbiased, impartial, observant | no criticism so far DoctorHelevetica | He finds it nice to have a special role | Bloodyc0bbler for suspicious platform Fair, will listen to public | no criticism so far I'm personally leaning towards L for mayor but am wary of Ace being innocent and as a valuable asset being killed off so early in game. Show nested quote +As a note to quickstriker, out of say 6 people running, assume 1 from each family will be in the elections. Normally a family would put forth 1 possibly 2 members (this case not as safe as the other family is watching) so most likely 1 from each family, maybe one family put ahead 2. So as BloodyC0bbler has said, we should expect at least two of these candidates to be mafia members? HMM D: SO MANY QUESTIONS SO FEW ANSWERS shit mb citi.zen is also running. citi.zen | Qualified, viligante | ? Experienced, will analyze clues | no criticism so far and Chezinzu.. pointless spam.. or is it?! playing mental mind trix on us i say. I'm a noob at this game.. I just wanted to try.. Being new is so hard... I just don't understand this game... Can you please help someone with fresh blood? lol you're new blood and citi.zen is experienced. niiiiice.
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okay, i've taken a nap and am now refreshed slightly. So let's go over the intricacies of this game.
One thing that everybody seems to mention but nobody ever seems to truly appreciate is how exactly we should go about getting the mafia to swing each other. However, back in Ace's mafia world, which was the last game to feature two mafias (albeit with much higher kill numbers) I had concocted a plan which could abuse the fact that there were two mafias through information. Of course a certain somebody that shall not be named did something that destabilized the whole game (and therefore my plan) but that's not important. Those who have access to that plan can probably look it up but because it may still prove to be useful I will not post it in public just yet.
As it stands right now, mafia is in a similar position to town. Unlike in most games, where mafia knows all their opponents, and just needs to worry about taking down special roles and good players, in this case mafia has to be careful . They need to not over extend themselves and weaken town and opposing mafia simultaneously, as too much attacking on one side could expose them to an attack by the other. At the same time, town needs to be wary of a mafia attacking another mafia and inflicting severe amounts of damage. However, don't forget that if this is the case it is very possible that the other mafia and town could come together to "team up" against the original mafia. Thus, we know that mafia will need to play cautiously.
However, it is also possible that mafia will team up like they did in the last one, and just rape town senseless. We need to be careful for signs that this is the case (i.e. no or one/two mafia get hit)
A good way to counter this, I suppose, would be to simply start grouping players together. It doesn't matter how, just group them together. I highly suspect mafia will be careful not to over extend themselves in each group and may have only one or two people infiltrate. But that gives us an idea of how to start-namely, that each group undoubtedly has a few mafia present, and thus we could potentially use our role checks there to begin whittling down the numbers. Once we clear out the infiltrators we can likely vet the group as a whole to be innocent.
The other thing we should do, however, is use mafia's kp against each other. If we manage to find out a few mafia, we shouldn't immediately kill them or have vigs hits on them, but rather force each mafia to devote hits to killing those other mafia. In fact, if the numbers are getting lopsided, it may be in town's interest to protect those mafia.
These are just some rambling thoughts about what we should do first.
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After looking at every profile again, as well as having reread the clues, I'm pretty confident in a few additional things;
Empyrean is the best link to the Angel. Just look up Empyrean on wikipedia, everything's there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empyrean
As of yet, I went through the everyone's profile looking for someone who has links to fire, angels and radiance and couldn't find anyone who had more than 1. Emp has all 3, and his profile is pretty much empty; if he was to have a clue, it would be from his name.
Ace and Mystlord are still the frontrunners (I'd pick Ace over Myst for a few reasons; Myst has a harder lock on the spear clue, but pretty much all of the rest favor Ace. The spear clue itself nearly completely exonerates 789 from being the moonlight rider too) when it comes to the moonlight rider, but its possible that they're both guilty depending on how the clues are attributed.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Guys, I would just like to remind you (and any people who feel like "tl;dr'ing" the pages) not to edit your posts. Even innocent posts. It is better to double or even triple post than to edit.
Last game Incognito and dreamflower were very nice for not owning people for editing, but I feel like it's best not to try one's luck.
Edit: Because I can! (No, really; bolded for obviousness.)
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On February 14 2010 16:38 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 16:33 Chezinu wrote:On February 14 2010 16:31 madnessman wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2010 16:21 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 15:38 Zato-1 wrote:On February 14 2010 15:12 madnessman wrote:
As others have mentioned, in the passage there is quite a lot of imagery regarding darkness and light. A lot of players' profiles allude to this in some form or another. So in this regard, getting carried away and everybody jumping on the bandwagon and pointing fingers at individuals whose profiles have a vague connection to these clues may not be the best idea. Well I'll be damned, someone actually made a compelling case for why the suspicion on Ace may be misplaced. Color me impressed. The fact that darkness and light references not only have to do with the twin horsemen that killed Qatol, but go on with the burning house, the shadowy figure that killed Incognito and the radiant being that killed Kennigit... it does raise the possibility that while trying to portray one mafia family with imagery of darkness and the other with light, Incognito unwittingly placed Ace in the crossfire. I am now prepared to admit that the evidence against Ace is insufficient. Well done, madnessman. Haha I did also say this in the next paragraph though: Show nested quote +(That said though, I would not readily dismiss Ace as potential mafia as his quote is tightly linked to the dark/light imagery, but more importantly, his scathing post dismissed accusations against him only based on a "im smart and valuable, ur dumb" kind of thing..argumentum ad hominem?!) In any case, I think we have to vote for the Mayor/Pardoner soon, so it would be useful to know who's running and other info. Procrastinating from doing homework.. ergo a catch up for people lost in the sea of posts/just compiling what has been said so far. Mayor Candidate | Reason to vote | Who they will lynch and why (info objective: as given in their platforms) The Good | The Bad (info subjective: the general publics opinion) BloodyC0bbler | The voice of unity and strength | ? Very experienced | Platform has no substance, therefore suspicious when compared to prev. platforms Chezinzu | N/A (lol) | ? Fresh blood | Pointless spam L | Excellent clue-analyzer (his name is L for gods sake people lol) | Ace I'm guessing? For strong clue-linkage? Also mentioned Chez or an inactive. Very experienced, very successful in the past | Overly aggressive strategy towards Ace? l10f | He has a blue star/is awesome | Mafia member who killed him off last game/Chezinu (joke answers i believe) Fresh? | Has proposed no game plan or given any serious answers. Bill Murray | Liberty, equality, power | Whoever the majority wants Will listen to the public voice | Will just jump on the band-wagon Meeple | Active, prev. experience as mayor turned out well | ? Unbiased, impartial, observant | no criticism so far DoctorHelevetica | He finds it nice to have a special role | Bloodyc0bbler for suspicious platform Fair, will listen to public | no criticism so far I'm personally leaning towards L for mayor but am wary of Ace being innocent and as a valuable asset being killed off so early in game. Show nested quote +As a note to quickstriker, out of say 6 people running, assume 1 from each family will be in the elections. Normally a family would put forth 1 possibly 2 members (this case not as safe as the other family is watching) so most likely 1 from each family, maybe one family put ahead 2. So as BloodyC0bbler has said, we should expect at least two of these candidates to be mafia members? HMM D: SO MANY QUESTIONS SO FEW ANSWERS shit mb citi.zen is also running. citi.zen | Qualified, viligante | ? Experienced, will analyze clues | no criticism so far and Chezinzu.. pointless spam.. or is it?! playing mental mind trix on us i say. I'm a noob at this game.. I just wanted to try.. Being new is so hard... I just don't understand this game... Can you please help someone with fresh blood? lol you're new blood and citi.zen is experienced. niiiiice.
oh my bad i just meant that chez hasn't been a mayor before while citi has. didn't mean to offend, sorry >_<
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2010 16:38 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 16:33 Chezinu wrote:On February 14 2010 16:31 madnessman wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2010 16:21 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 15:38 Zato-1 wrote:On February 14 2010 15:12 madnessman wrote:
As others have mentioned, in the passage there is quite a lot of imagery regarding darkness and light. A lot of players' profiles allude to this in some form or another. So in this regard, getting carried away and everybody jumping on the bandwagon and pointing fingers at individuals whose profiles have a vague connection to these clues may not be the best idea. Well I'll be damned, someone actually made a compelling case for why the suspicion on Ace may be misplaced. Color me impressed. The fact that darkness and light references not only have to do with the twin horsemen that killed Qatol, but go on with the burning house, the shadowy figure that killed Incognito and the radiant being that killed Kennigit... it does raise the possibility that while trying to portray one mafia family with imagery of darkness and the other with light, Incognito unwittingly placed Ace in the crossfire. I am now prepared to admit that the evidence against Ace is insufficient. Well done, madnessman. Haha I did also say this in the next paragraph though: Show nested quote +(That said though, I would not readily dismiss Ace as potential mafia as his quote is tightly linked to the dark/light imagery, but more importantly, his scathing post dismissed accusations against him only based on a "im smart and valuable, ur dumb" kind of thing..argumentum ad hominem?!) In any case, I think we have to vote for the Mayor/Pardoner soon, so it would be useful to know who's running and other info. Procrastinating from doing homework.. ergo a catch up for people lost in the sea of posts/just compiling what has been said so far. Mayor Candidate | Reason to vote | Who they will lynch and why (info objective: as given in their platforms) The Good | The Bad (info subjective: the general publics opinion) BloodyC0bbler | The voice of unity and strength | ? Very experienced | Platform has no substance, therefore suspicious when compared to prev. platforms Chezinzu | N/A (lol) | ? Fresh blood | Pointless spam L | Excellent clue-analyzer (his name is L for gods sake people lol) | Ace I'm guessing? For strong clue-linkage? Also mentioned Chez or an inactive. Very experienced, very successful in the past | Overly aggressive strategy towards Ace? l10f | He has a blue star/is awesome | Mafia member who killed him off last game/Chezinu (joke answers i believe) Fresh? | Has proposed no game plan or given any serious answers. Bill Murray | Liberty, equality, power | Whoever the majority wants Will listen to the public voice | Will just jump on the band-wagon Meeple | Active, prev. experience as mayor turned out well | ? Unbiased, impartial, observant | no criticism so far DoctorHelevetica | He finds it nice to have a special role | Bloodyc0bbler for suspicious platform Fair, will listen to public | no criticism so far I'm personally leaning towards L for mayor but am wary of Ace being innocent and as a valuable asset being killed off so early in game. Show nested quote +As a note to quickstriker, out of say 6 people running, assume 1 from each family will be in the elections. Normally a family would put forth 1 possibly 2 members (this case not as safe as the other family is watching) so most likely 1 from each family, maybe one family put ahead 2. So as BloodyC0bbler has said, we should expect at least two of these candidates to be mafia members? HMM D: SO MANY QUESTIONS SO FEW ANSWERS shit mb citi.zen is also running. citi.zen | Qualified, viligante | ? Experienced, will analyze clues | no criticism so far and Chezinzu.. pointless spam.. or is it?! playing mental mind trix on us i say. I'm a noob at this game.. I just wanted to try.. Being new is so hard... I just don't understand this game... Can you please help someone with fresh blood? lol you're new blood and citi.zen is experienced. niiiiice. Next think you know they will think I'm mafia...uh oh.... + Show Spoiler +On February 10 2010 10:33 redtooth wrote:
KILL CHEZINU AT ALL COSTS On February 13 2010 03:40 redtooth wrote:
chezinu is mafia.
I vote chezinu On February 14 2010 04:54 redtooth wrote:
Suggestion for the Mafia:
If you are chezinu you are dead. On February 14 2010 07:41 redtooth wrote:
just got my role. CHEZINU IS GOING DOWN. On February 10 2010 11:10 Chezinu wrote:
Ok, Night 1 I need the medic to protect me!!! On February 14 2010 05:36 Chezinu wrote:
If you are medic, you will protect chezinu because you are nice. 4 vs 2... this doesn't look good
I already started grouping caller!
[spoiler]Ver , L and Mystlord -- but I'm still in early phase this could change drastically+ Show Spoiler +
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Looks above two posts...*sigh*
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L, saying things like the use of a spear exonerates 789 to me is a bit hasty. Wait and see if the spear is used again. In the last mafia game I was in, there were many irrelevant clues that people focused on. What comes to mind is a clue pointing to derfboy where the victim was sledgehammered, which was completely irrelevant. People focused on the sledgehammer and the description of the killer when the relevant info was that the killer sabotaged the victims house prior to the attack.
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On February 14 2010 16:53 Chezinu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2010 16:38 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 16:33 Chezinu wrote:On February 14 2010 16:31 madnessman wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2010 16:21 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 15:38 Zato-1 wrote:On February 14 2010 15:12 madnessman wrote:
As others have mentioned, in the passage there is quite a lot of imagery regarding darkness and light. A lot of players' profiles allude to this in some form or another. So in this regard, getting carried away and everybody jumping on the bandwagon and pointing fingers at individuals whose profiles have a vague connection to these clues may not be the best idea. Well I'll be damned, someone actually made a compelling case for why the suspicion on Ace may be misplaced. Color me impressed. The fact that darkness and light references not only have to do with the twin horsemen that killed Qatol, but go on with the burning house, the shadowy figure that killed Incognito and the radiant being that killed Kennigit... it does raise the possibility that while trying to portray one mafia family with imagery of darkness and the other with light, Incognito unwittingly placed Ace in the crossfire. I am now prepared to admit that the evidence against Ace is insufficient. Well done, madnessman. Haha I did also say this in the next paragraph though: Show nested quote +(That said though, I would not readily dismiss Ace as potential mafia as his quote is tightly linked to the dark/light imagery, but more importantly, his scathing post dismissed accusations against him only based on a "im smart and valuable, ur dumb" kind of thing..argumentum ad hominem?!) In any case, I think we have to vote for the Mayor/Pardoner soon, so it would be useful to know who's running and other info. Procrastinating from doing homework.. ergo a catch up for people lost in the sea of posts/just compiling what has been said so far. Mayor Candidate | Reason to vote | Who they will lynch and why (info objective: as given in their platforms) The Good | The Bad (info subjective: the general publics opinion) BloodyC0bbler | The voice of unity and strength | ? Very experienced | Platform has no substance, therefore suspicious when compared to prev. platforms Chezinzu | N/A (lol) | ? Fresh blood | Pointless spam L | Excellent clue-analyzer (his name is L for gods sake people lol) | Ace I'm guessing? For strong clue-linkage? Also mentioned Chez or an inactive. Very experienced, very successful in the past | Overly aggressive strategy towards Ace? l10f | He has a blue star/is awesome | Mafia member who killed him off last game/Chezinu (joke answers i believe) Fresh? | Has proposed no game plan or given any serious answers. Bill Murray | Liberty, equality, power | Whoever the majority wants Will listen to the public voice | Will just jump on the band-wagon Meeple | Active, prev. experience as mayor turned out well | ? Unbiased, impartial, observant | no criticism so far DoctorHelevetica | He finds it nice to have a special role | Bloodyc0bbler for suspicious platform Fair, will listen to public | no criticism so far I'm personally leaning towards L for mayor but am wary of Ace being innocent and as a valuable asset being killed off so early in game. Show nested quote +As a note to quickstriker, out of say 6 people running, assume 1 from each family will be in the elections. Normally a family would put forth 1 possibly 2 members (this case not as safe as the other family is watching) so most likely 1 from each family, maybe one family put ahead 2. So as BloodyC0bbler has said, we should expect at least two of these candidates to be mafia members? HMM D: SO MANY QUESTIONS SO FEW ANSWERS shit mb citi.zen is also running. citi.zen | Qualified, viligante | ? Experienced, will analyze clues | no criticism so far and Chezinzu.. pointless spam.. or is it?! playing mental mind trix on us i say. I'm a noob at this game.. I just wanted to try.. Being new is so hard... I just don't understand this game... Can you please help someone with fresh blood? lol you're new blood and citi.zen is experienced. niiiiice. Next think you know they will think I'm mafia...uh oh.... + Show Spoiler +On February 10 2010 10:33 redtooth wrote:
KILL CHEZINU AT ALL COSTS On February 13 2010 03:40 redtooth wrote:
chezinu is mafia.
I vote chezinu On February 14 2010 04:54 redtooth wrote:
Suggestion for the Mafia:
If you are chezinu you are dead. On February 14 2010 07:41 redtooth wrote:
just got my role. CHEZINU IS GOING DOWN. On February 10 2010 11:10 Chezinu wrote:
Ok, Night 1 I need the medic to protect me!!! On February 14 2010 05:36 Chezinu wrote:
If you are medic, you will protect chezinu because you are nice. 4 vs 2... this doesn't look good I already started grouping caller! [spoiler]Ver , L and Mystlord -- but I'm still in early phase this could change drastically + Show Spoiler + you should point out that my quotes were from before the game started, lest someone start mindlessly bandwagoning against us.
also, L please remember that these are Day 1 clues you are analyzing. Day One Clues.
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things like this are why we shouldn't worry way too much about clue analysis on day 1
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On February 14 2010 17:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
L, saying things like the use of a spear exonerates 789 to me is a bit hasty. Wait and see if the spear is used again. In the last mafia game I was in, there were many irrelevant clues that people focused on. What comes to mind is a clue pointing to derfboy where the victim was sledgehammered, which was completely irrelevant. People focused on the sledgehammer and the description of the killer when the relevant info was that the killer sabotaged the victims house prior to the attack. I agree partially. I don't think he's 'innocent', but i think there's enough divergence between the moonlight rider and him to have that clue stick to him. The connection to blindness, the moon, him jumping through walls, the instant death on impact all seem far weaker than the associated links elsewhere.
The spear really was the thing that tipped me over the edge in terms of ruling him out.
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L please remember that these are Day 1 clues you are analyzing. We've never had clues this good on day 1 before. If the clues were garbage and didn't point to people, I'd have reserved my judgement.
I'm pretty sure everyone who's been in multiple of our clue games knows that the size and content of this day 1 post is not normal.
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On February 14 2010 17:16 L wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 17:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
L, saying things like the use of a spear exonerates 789 to me is a bit hasty. Wait and see if the spear is used again. In the last mafia game I was in, there were many irrelevant clues that people focused on. What comes to mind is a clue pointing to derfboy where the victim was sledgehammered, which was completely irrelevant. People focused on the sledgehammer and the description of the killer when the relevant info was that the killer sabotaged the victims house prior to the attack. I agree partially. I don't think he's 'innocent', but i think there's enough divergence between the moonlight rider and him to have that clue stick to him. The connection to blindness, the moon, him jumping through walls, the instant death on impact all seem far weaker than the associated links elsewhere. The spear really was the thing that tipped me over the edge in terms of ruling him out.
I'm wary of terms like exoneration, but pointing out where connections are stronger or weaker are helpful. Naturally the mafia will want to divert clue analysis toward weaker non-mafia connection.
This is exactly what I did in the last mafia game and it was working fabulously until i was painted red and lynched.
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