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On February 03 2010 07:57 StarsPride wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 07:55 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:On February 03 2010 06:40 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 06:38 StarsPride wrote:
You should look at the knife Related deaths in the UK and compare it to u.s sir
id rather be shot once then be stabbed 5+ times (Nothing to do with gunlaws) I was talking to a SEAL officer the other day, he told me about his first kill in Iraq. He went up behind an insurgent, slit his throat (he didn't die, still screaming), then to kill him asap without alerting guards, they had to make him bleed out. So his friend held the guys mouth so he couldn't scream, and they stabbed him in the genitals repeatedly. Yeah, I'd rather be shot too. I'm afraid to ask, but I have to.... Why the genitals? I have no clue, the dude was laughing about the story the entire time. It's my personal belief that anyone that signs up for the U.S. military right now, is just blood thirsty. And trust me, the exact question you asked, has been in my head since then. you have a very unhealthy view of the people who protect your freedoms.
conservative much? imo if we were all rationalist there would be no need for world armies
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On February 03 2010 07:57 StarsPride wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 07:55 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:On February 03 2010 06:40 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 06:38 StarsPride wrote:
You should look at the knife Related deaths in the UK and compare it to u.s sir
id rather be shot once then be stabbed 5+ times (Nothing to do with gunlaws) I was talking to a SEAL officer the other day, he told me about his first kill in Iraq. He went up behind an insurgent, slit his throat (he didn't die, still screaming), then to kill him asap without alerting guards, they had to make him bleed out. So his friend held the guys mouth so he couldn't scream, and they stabbed him in the genitals repeatedly. Yeah, I'd rather be shot too. I'm afraid to ask, but I have to.... Why the genitals? I have no clue, the dude was laughing about the story the entire time. It's my personal belief that anyone that signs up for the U.S. military right now, is just blood thirsty. And trust me, the exact question you asked, has been in my head since then. you have a very unhealthy view of the people who protect your freedoms.
I'm not going to get into a debate about the war going on right now, I'm just going to say I see, and know enough people that are signing up for the military, just so they can go fight and kill people in Iraq.
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On February 03 2010 07:57 StarsPride wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 07:55 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:On February 03 2010 06:40 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 06:38 StarsPride wrote:
You should look at the knife Related deaths in the UK and compare it to u.s sir
id rather be shot once then be stabbed 5+ times (Nothing to do with gunlaws) I was talking to a SEAL officer the other day, he told me about his first kill in Iraq. He went up behind an insurgent, slit his throat (he didn't die, still screaming), then to kill him asap without alerting guards, they had to make him bleed out. So his friend held the guys mouth so he couldn't scream, and they stabbed him in the genitals repeatedly. Yeah, I'd rather be shot too. I'm afraid to ask, but I have to.... Why the genitals? I have no clue, the dude was laughing about the story the entire time. It's my personal belief that anyone that signs up for the U.S. military right now, is just blood thirsty. And trust me, the exact question you asked, has been in my head since then. you have a very unhealthy view of the people who protect your freedoms.
The war in Iraq isn't really about US' citizens freedom right now. The argument could be made that the US infringe on Iraq's freedom.
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On February 03 2010 07:57 TS-Rupbar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 07:52 arb wrote:On February 03 2010 07:35 TS-Rupbar wrote:On February 03 2010 07:29 Unstable wrote:
@TS-Rupbar : Get your facts right.
More people are injured in traffic-related accidents than people whom are injured in gun-related ones.
Guns are not illegal in Sweden, though a person must have the proper permits to own them.
Sweden is one of the countries in Europe which has the highest amounts of firearms per capita.
Having government control what a persona can, or cannot own is an infringement on personal freedom. Of course they are, but that's because there are far more cars than guns. No guns in Sweden are used for self-defence. They are used for hunting and not designed to hurt humans. A hunting rifle is far less effective at killing people than a handgun. So what? Lots of people use many guns for hunting different kinds of animals. The statistics are skewed. They are obviously skewed that way in America too, but not nearly as heavily. It is, but that the law stops me from raping my grandmother is also an infringement on personal freedom. EDIT: replaced "firearm" with "handgun" you realise everything you said is pretty much what ive been saying the whole time minus self defense, which some people do use them for here too.. To own a gun in Sweden, you need to go to courses. They are also not designed to hurt people. A semi automatic rifle is much more dangerous than a hunting rifle. Because weapons for self defense are designed to hurt people, they are MUCH more suited to be used in malicious deeds than hunting rifles. The car argument is very bad, because cars have a purpose and there is a reason for why no one wants to ban them. I can understand the self defense argument even though I don't agree with it. The car one is just really stupid.
i see what you mean. however personally i think that everyone should take a safety course before being allowed to purchase a firearm anyway(me + most ppl i know have) however some hunting rifles are semi automatic so i disagree about them being more dangerous, not all of them are bolt action or muzzle loaders.. all guns can kill people just some(for example) the ak-47 arent designed for anything other than killing, while some guns are designed for things such as hunting and self defense.
yeah i dont ge the car argument either..
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On February 03 2010 08:00 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 07:57 StarsPride wrote:On February 03 2010 07:55 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:On February 03 2010 06:40 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 06:38 StarsPride wrote:
You should look at the knife Related deaths in the UK and compare it to u.s sir
id rather be shot once then be stabbed 5+ times (Nothing to do with gunlaws) I was talking to a SEAL officer the other day, he told me about his first kill in Iraq. He went up behind an insurgent, slit his throat (he didn't die, still screaming), then to kill him asap without alerting guards, they had to make him bleed out. So his friend held the guys mouth so he couldn't scream, and they stabbed him in the genitals repeatedly. Yeah, I'd rather be shot too. I'm afraid to ask, but I have to.... Why the genitals? I have no clue, the dude was laughing about the story the entire time. It's my personal belief that anyone that signs up for the U.S. military right now, is just blood thirsty. And trust me, the exact question you asked, has been in my head since then. you have a very unhealthy view of the people who protect your freedoms. I'm not going to get into a debate about the war going on right now, I'm just going to say I see, and know enough people that are signing up for the military, just so they can go fight and kill people in Iraq.
I also know a lot of people who need the money for college. Believe it or not, some people are also proud of their country and feel they should serve for there country. There are a lot of reasons people join the military, don't make them out to be a bunch of blood lusting ogres.
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On February 03 2010 08:04 zerglingsfolife wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 08:00 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:57 StarsPride wrote:On February 03 2010 07:55 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:On February 03 2010 06:40 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 06:38 StarsPride wrote:
You should look at the knife Related deaths in the UK and compare it to u.s sir
id rather be shot once then be stabbed 5+ times (Nothing to do with gunlaws) I was talking to a SEAL officer the other day, he told me about his first kill in Iraq. He went up behind an insurgent, slit his throat (he didn't die, still screaming), then to kill him asap without alerting guards, they had to make him bleed out. So his friend held the guys mouth so he couldn't scream, and they stabbed him in the genitals repeatedly. Yeah, I'd rather be shot too. I'm afraid to ask, but I have to.... Why the genitals? I have no clue, the dude was laughing about the story the entire time. It's my personal belief that anyone that signs up for the U.S. military right now, is just blood thirsty. And trust me, the exact question you asked, has been in my head since then. you have a very unhealthy view of the people who protect your freedoms. I'm not going to get into a debate about the war going on right now, I'm just going to say I see, and know enough people that are signing up for the military, just so they can go fight and kill people in Iraq. I also know a lot of people who need the money for college. Believe it or not, some people are also proud of their country and feel they should serve for there country. There are a lot of reasons people join the military, don't make them out to be a bunch of blood lusting ogres.
so if im proud of my nation i should take up arms and slay the infidel?
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A good solution would be to not raise the price of every kind of ammunition. Ammunition only used for sport and hunting activities could have a low price. If you use ammunition for self defense, you wouldn't need many bullets anyway and the cost doesn't matter.
I will now stop posting in this thread unless something really interesting comes up. I feel like I have said what I feel is important and that I'm just going to troll people if I keep responding to every single post. Everything I've said so far is what I believe and it was only my intention to be sarcastic in one post (the squirrel one).
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On February 03 2010 08:06 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 08:04 zerglingsfolife wrote:On February 03 2010 08:00 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:57 StarsPride wrote:On February 03 2010 07:55 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:On February 03 2010 06:40 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 06:38 StarsPride wrote:
You should look at the knife Related deaths in the UK and compare it to u.s sir
id rather be shot once then be stabbed 5+ times (Nothing to do with gunlaws) I was talking to a SEAL officer the other day, he told me about his first kill in Iraq. He went up behind an insurgent, slit his throat (he didn't die, still screaming), then to kill him asap without alerting guards, they had to make him bleed out. So his friend held the guys mouth so he couldn't scream, and they stabbed him in the genitals repeatedly. Yeah, I'd rather be shot too. I'm afraid to ask, but I have to.... Why the genitals? I have no clue, the dude was laughing about the story the entire time. It's my personal belief that anyone that signs up for the U.S. military right now, is just blood thirsty. And trust me, the exact question you asked, has been in my head since then. you have a very unhealthy view of the people who protect your freedoms. I'm not going to get into a debate about the war going on right now, I'm just going to say I see, and know enough people that are signing up for the military, just so they can go fight and kill people in Iraq. I also know a lot of people who need the money for college. Believe it or not, some people are also proud of their country and feel they should serve for there country. There are a lot of reasons people join the military, don't make them out to be a bunch of blood lusting ogres. so if you im proud of my nation i should take up arms and slay the infidel?
Yes.
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On February 03 2010 08:07 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 08:06 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On February 03 2010 08:04 zerglingsfolife wrote:On February 03 2010 08:00 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:57 StarsPride wrote:On February 03 2010 07:55 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:On February 03 2010 06:40 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 06:38 StarsPride wrote:
You should look at the knife Related deaths in the UK and compare it to u.s sir
id rather be shot once then be stabbed 5+ times (Nothing to do with gunlaws) I was talking to a SEAL officer the other day, he told me about his first kill in Iraq. He went up behind an insurgent, slit his throat (he didn't die, still screaming), then to kill him asap without alerting guards, they had to make him bleed out. So his friend held the guys mouth so he couldn't scream, and they stabbed him in the genitals repeatedly. Yeah, I'd rather be shot too. I'm afraid to ask, but I have to.... Why the genitals? I have no clue, the dude was laughing about the story the entire time. It's my personal belief that anyone that signs up for the U.S. military right now, is just blood thirsty. And trust me, the exact question you asked, has been in my head since then. you have a very unhealthy view of the people who protect your freedoms. I'm not going to get into a debate about the war going on right now, I'm just going to say I see, and know enough people that are signing up for the military, just so they can go fight and kill people in Iraq. I also know a lot of people who need the money for college. Believe it or not, some people are also proud of their country and feel they should serve for there country. There are a lot of reasons people join the military, don't make them out to be a bunch of blood lusting ogres. so if you im proud of my nation i should take up arms and slay the infidel? Yes.
mhm i love this country
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Calgary25954 Posts
On February 03 2010 07:31 TS-Rupbar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 07:20 Chill wrote:On February 03 2010 07:18 TS-Rupbar wrote:On February 03 2010 07:07 GeneralStan wrote:
While there are certainly downfalls that come from having widespread ownership of guns, it is these downfalls that are the price of freedom.
People in the US like to talk about the price of freedom, (which they use to justify the war in Iraq and other things that literally have nothing to do with our freedom) , and the costs associated with gun ownership are that price.
Maybe everybody having guns is a bad thing. Maybe its unsafe.
But I would much rather live in a country where the government stays out of the business of individuals, a government that trusts mature adults to make decisions that they will live with, rather than a nanny state that tries to restrict every little thing that could ever be harmful.
Even in the most gunslinging part of this country, you are much more likely to die in a traffic fatality. Yet nobody suggests banning cars.
While this may be a controversial opinion, I believe that freedom is more valuable than some lives. Seriously... You're more likely to die in a traffic fatality because there are many more cars, maybe? Also, cars actually have a purpose other than killing people. They are useful. I have never ever in my whole life met anyone that would like to own a gun for self-defence in Sweden. Why? There are (almost) no guns and the average criminal has no means of getting their hands on a gun. Why? Guns are illegal. Banning weapons has nothing to do with freedom. I cannot understand that argument, as that would mean you would rather live in an anarchy. The thing with the US' gun control is also that not only mature adults have access to guns. That mature adults cannot have guns is an incredibly low price to pay for idiots not owning guns. To people saying that lots of gun-related deaths are suicide, I really believe that guns "promote" suicide in the sense that it often is a spur of the moment thing. It is so much easier to kill yourself with a gun than by any other means. You're really reaching here. Clearly we can all see there's some cost/benefit to giving up freedom for safety. There's no need to take it to this extreme. People choose to be on both sides of the fence. What extreme? I'm not trying to be condescending, but I would very much like to hear why my arguments are more extreme than one suggesting that gun control restricts your freedom.
Banning weapons has nothing to do with freedom. I cannot understand that argument, as that would mean you would rather live in an anarchy.
Banning anything, by definition, restricts freedom. Saying you can't understand that argument is extreme.
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On February 03 2010 08:04 zerglingsfolife wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 08:00 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:57 StarsPride wrote:On February 03 2010 07:55 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:On February 03 2010 06:40 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 06:38 StarsPride wrote:
You should look at the knife Related deaths in the UK and compare it to u.s sir
id rather be shot once then be stabbed 5+ times (Nothing to do with gunlaws) I was talking to a SEAL officer the other day, he told me about his first kill in Iraq. He went up behind an insurgent, slit his throat (he didn't die, still screaming), then to kill him asap without alerting guards, they had to make him bleed out. So his friend held the guys mouth so he couldn't scream, and they stabbed him in the genitals repeatedly. Yeah, I'd rather be shot too. I'm afraid to ask, but I have to.... Why the genitals? I have no clue, the dude was laughing about the story the entire time. It's my personal belief that anyone that signs up for the U.S. military right now, is just blood thirsty. And trust me, the exact question you asked, has been in my head since then. you have a very unhealthy view of the people who protect your freedoms. I'm not going to get into a debate about the war going on right now, I'm just going to say I see, and know enough people that are signing up for the military, just so they can go fight and kill people in Iraq. I also know a lot of people who need the money for college. Believe it or not, some people are also proud of their country and feel they should serve for there country. There are a lot of reasons people join the military, don't make them out to be a bunch of blood lusting ogres.
Eh, being proud of the U.S. right now is a bit silly. But parts of the military do help pay for colleges, you're right, I still think signing up for the military while were in the middle of a war is a bit crazy.
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On February 03 2010 08:06 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 08:04 zerglingsfolife wrote:On February 03 2010 08:00 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:57 StarsPride wrote:On February 03 2010 07:55 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 07:40 FrozenArbiter wrote:On February 03 2010 06:40 PanN wrote:On February 03 2010 06:38 StarsPride wrote:
You should look at the knife Related deaths in the UK and compare it to u.s sir
id rather be shot once then be stabbed 5+ times (Nothing to do with gunlaws) I was talking to a SEAL officer the other day, he told me about his first kill in Iraq. He went up behind an insurgent, slit his throat (he didn't die, still screaming), then to kill him asap without alerting guards, they had to make him bleed out. So his friend held the guys mouth so he couldn't scream, and they stabbed him in the genitals repeatedly. Yeah, I'd rather be shot too. I'm afraid to ask, but I have to.... Why the genitals? I have no clue, the dude was laughing about the story the entire time. It's my personal belief that anyone that signs up for the U.S. military right now, is just blood thirsty. And trust me, the exact question you asked, has been in my head since then. you have a very unhealthy view of the people who protect your freedoms. I'm not going to get into a debate about the war going on right now, I'm just going to say I see, and know enough people that are signing up for the military, just so they can go fight and kill people in Iraq. I also know a lot of people who need the money for college. Believe it or not, some people are also proud of their country and feel they should serve for there country. There are a lot of reasons people join the military, don't make them out to be a bunch of blood lusting ogres. so if you im proud of my nation i should take up arms and slay the infidel?
Don't try to simplify something complicated like that. You can join the army in non combat positions if you don't want to fight.
Some people want to pay back the country that they have been raised in with military service.
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Calgary25954 Posts
On February 03 2010 07:57 TS-Rupbar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 07:52 arb wrote:On February 03 2010 07:35 TS-Rupbar wrote:On February 03 2010 07:29 Unstable wrote:
@TS-Rupbar : Get your facts right.
More people are injured in traffic-related accidents than people whom are injured in gun-related ones.
Guns are not illegal in Sweden, though a person must have the proper permits to own them.
Sweden is one of the countries in Europe which has the highest amounts of firearms per capita.
Having government control what a persona can, or cannot own is an infringement on personal freedom. Of course they are, but that's because there are far more cars than guns. No guns in Sweden are used for self-defence. They are used for hunting and not designed to hurt humans. A hunting rifle is far less effective at killing people than a handgun. So what? Lots of people use many guns for hunting different kinds of animals. The statistics are skewed. They are obviously skewed that way in America too, but not nearly as heavily. It is, but that the law stops me from raping my grandmother is also an infringement on personal freedom. EDIT: replaced "firearm" with "handgun" you realise everything you said is pretty much what ive been saying the whole time minus self defense, which some people do use them for here too.. To own a gun in Sweden, you need to go to courses. They are also not designed to hurt people. A semi automatic rifle is much more dangerous than a hunting rifle. Because weapons for self defense are designed to hurt people, they are MUCH more suited to be used in malicious deeds than hunting rifles. The car argument is very bad, because cars have a purpose and there is a reason for why no one wants to ban them. I can understand the self defense argument even though I don't agree with it. The car one is just really stupid.
So your argument is that if something is dangerous, it needs to have a purpose not to be banned? And a hobby isn't enough of a purpose?
Edit: Okay great I see you're "not talking anymore" so that's fun.
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On February 03 2010 08:11 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Don't try to simplify something complicated like that. You can join the army in non combat positions if you don't want to fight.
Some people want to pay back the country that they have been raised in with military service.
seems like somewhat flawed logic. Im going to repay the country that helped me grow by throwing myself into a battlefield?
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Calgary25954 Posts
On February 03 2010 08:16 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 08:11 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Don't try to simplify something complicated like that. You can join the army in non combat positions if you don't want to fight.
Some people want to pay back the country that they have been raised in with military service.
seems like somewhat flawed logic. Im going to repay the country that helped me grow by throwing myself into a battlefield?
I'm not going to be politically correct when dealing with you: Don't be retarded.
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On February 03 2010 08:16 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 08:11 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Don't try to simplify something complicated like that. You can join the army in non combat positions if you don't want to fight.
Some people want to pay back the country that they have been raised in with military service.
seems like somewhat flawed logic. Im going to repay the country that helped me grow by throwing myself into a battlefield?
most people i know all agree that dying for your country to defend the united states from tearany(sp?) and opression is like the greatest honor anyone can acomplish in their lives.
however just knowing that you helped th erest of country sleep at night seems like youre pretty much paying the country back imo.
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On February 03 2010 08:12 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 07:57 TS-Rupbar wrote:On February 03 2010 07:52 arb wrote:On February 03 2010 07:35 TS-Rupbar wrote:On February 03 2010 07:29 Unstable wrote:
@TS-Rupbar : Get your facts right.
More people are injured in traffic-related accidents than people whom are injured in gun-related ones.
Guns are not illegal in Sweden, though a person must have the proper permits to own them.
Sweden is one of the countries in Europe which has the highest amounts of firearms per capita.
Having government control what a persona can, or cannot own is an infringement on personal freedom. Of course they are, but that's because there are far more cars than guns. No guns in Sweden are used for self-defence. They are used for hunting and not designed to hurt humans. A hunting rifle is far less effective at killing people than a handgun. So what? Lots of people use many guns for hunting different kinds of animals. The statistics are skewed. They are obviously skewed that way in America too, but not nearly as heavily. It is, but that the law stops me from raping my grandmother is also an infringement on personal freedom. EDIT: replaced "firearm" with "handgun" you realise everything you said is pretty much what ive been saying the whole time minus self defense, which some people do use them for here too.. To own a gun in Sweden, you need to go to courses. They are also not designed to hurt people. A semi automatic rifle is much more dangerous than a hunting rifle. Because weapons for self defense are designed to hurt people, they are MUCH more suited to be used in malicious deeds than hunting rifles. The car argument is very bad, because cars have a purpose and there is a reason for why no one wants to ban them. I can understand the self defense argument even though I don't agree with it. The car one is just really stupid. So your argument is that if something is dangerous, it needs to have a purpose not to be banned? And a hobby isn't enough of a purpose? Edit: Okay great I see you're "not talking anymore" so that's fun.
Yes, that is my argument. If you need guns for a hobby, I think it's a fair compromise to use guns that aren't very good at hurting humans.
About the extreme part, I think that some (most) weapons are too dangerous to be allowed. Knives that are only used to hurt people (means they aren't suitable for a good purpose like carpenting or cooking) are also banned in Sweden. Everyone agrees with that decision as well. I can understand that banning for example weed could infringe on someone's freedom. Banning dangerous weapons (guns suitable for harming people) is, imo, not an infringement on freedom.
To be fair, you didn't respond until some time after I responded to you. Please don't pull that card. It's 00:16 AM here and I'm going to bed. It's not about running away.
EDIT: Misworded some stuff
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On February 03 2010 08:20 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 08:16 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On February 03 2010 08:11 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Don't try to simplify something complicated like that. You can join the army in non combat positions if you don't want to fight.
Some people want to pay back the country that they have been raised in with military service.
seems like somewhat flawed logic. Im going to repay the country that helped me grow by throwing myself into a battlefield? I'm not going to be politically correct when dealing with you: Don't be retarded.
What chill means by this is, he just stated there are military positions without being on the battlefield.
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On February 03 2010 08:21 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 08:16 DreaM)XeRO wrote:On February 03 2010 08:11 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Don't try to simplify something complicated like that. You can join the army in non combat positions if you don't want to fight.
Some people want to pay back the country that they have been raised in with military service.
seems like somewhat flawed logic. Im going to repay the country that helped me grow by throwing myself into a battlefield? most people i know all agree that dying for your country to defend the united states from tearany(sp?) and opression is like the greatest honor anyone can acomplish in their lives. however just knowing that you helped th erest of country sleep at night seems like youre pretty much paying the country back imo.
tyranny btw.
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On February 03 2010 08:16 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2010 08:11 zerglingsfolife wrote:
Don't try to simplify something complicated like that. You can join the army in non combat positions if you don't want to fight.
Some people want to pay back the country that they have been raised in with military service.
seems like somewhat flawed logic. Im going to repay the country that helped me grow by throwing myself into a battlefield?
Alright. I wanted to say that there are various reasons why people join the military. Another poster thought that they are all blood lusting killers. I'm simply providing other reasons why people would sign up. My Grandpa was in the Korean War. My Dad was in the Vietnam War. Sometimes I feel like I should follow in their footsteps and serve my country. It pisses me off when people talk shit about our armed forces like they aren't people. They are people with different reasons for joining the military. Maybe they want to escape a small town and get out into the world. Maybe they want to go to the army to mature into a better person. It's so elitist to think that you know better than that individual person. I'm getting too emotional about this, I don't want to mess up the topic anymore. PM me if you want to keep discussing.
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