"to stop the guns we must stop the bullets"

"to stop the guns we must stop the bullets" - Page 10

Romantic

United States1844 Posts

February 03 2010 15:53 GMT

#181

California legitimately has some gun problems my friend. That said, unless the Constitution is amended to prohibit guns (which won't happen, government can try but i'll guarantee that there are a LOT of gun owners that will refuse to register & locate weapons) there shouldn't be controls.

When arguing freedom vs security, I tend to often side with freedom.

Cloud

Sexico5880 Posts

February 03 2010 16:03 GMT

#182

On February 03 2010 08:09 Chill wrote:

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On February 03 2010 07:31 TS-Rupbar wrote:

On February 03 2010 07:20 Chill wrote:

On February 03 2010 07:18 TS-Rupbar wrote:

On February 03 2010 07:07 GeneralStan wrote:
While there are certainly downfalls that come from having widespread ownership of guns, it is these downfalls that are the price of freedom.

People in the US like to talk about the price of freedom, (which they use to justify the war in Iraq and other things that literally have nothing to do with our freedom) , and the costs associated with gun ownership are that price.

Maybe everybody having guns is a bad thing. Maybe its unsafe.

But I would much rather live in a country where the government stays out of the business of individuals, a government that trusts mature adults to make decisions that they will live with, rather than a nanny state that tries to restrict every little thing that could ever be harmful.

Even in the most gunslinging part of this country, you are much more likely to die in a traffic fatality. Yet nobody suggests banning cars.

While this may be a controversial opinion, I believe that freedom is more valuable than some lives.

Seriously... You're more likely to die in a traffic fatality because there are many more cars, maybe? Also, cars actually have a purpose other than killing people. They are useful.

I have never ever in my whole life met anyone that would like to own a gun for self-defence in Sweden. Why? There are (almost) no guns and the average criminal has no means of getting their hands on a gun. Why? Guns are illegal.

Banning weapons has nothing to do with freedom. I cannot understand that argument, as that would mean you would rather live in an anarchy.

The thing with the US' gun control is also that not only mature adults have access to guns. That mature adults cannot have guns is an incredibly low price to pay for idiots not owning guns.

To people saying that lots of gun-related deaths are suicide, I really believe that guns "promote" suicide in the sense that it often is a spur of the moment thing. It is so much easier to kill yourself with a gun than by any other means.

You're really reaching here. Clearly we can all see there's some cost/benefit to giving up freedom for safety. There's no need to take it to this extreme. People choose to be on both sides of the fence.

What extreme? I'm not trying to be condescending, but I would very much like to hear why my arguments are more extreme than one suggesting that gun control restricts your freedom.

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Banning anything, by definition, restricts freedom. Saying you can't understand that argument is extreme.

See?, this is the problem, we have grown so accustomed to this shitty world of us that we have forgotten what freedom truly is; now it has become a mere whim, an eventuality, it has become the opposite of necessity; and is now what always is and always is the same.

Freedom is rebellion, it's negation when the load upon us becomes unbearable, a neigh against a burden. It is negation but it is not saying no to one thing for prefering the other in a supermarket, nor is it saying no to necessity.

It is not freedom of choice, because that just means conformity towards what already exists. It is freedom of disappointment, the ability to go against the poverty of what is real.

It is not being opposed to necessity, it is being opposed against communion because there is no harmony between people and this world. Freedom is opposing to the world and its rules for considering them badly designed, unjust. In Borbolla's words it is not the freedom-of-action, because that merely is a combination of our own strength and the world's ductibility and limited by definition; nor is it that absolute ontological freedom called freedom-of-being; but it is the freedom-of-the-being: rebellious action for not communing with the world's roots.

Zoler

Sweden6339 Posts

February 03 2010 16:13 GMT

#183

Iraq war is nothing about the US "freedom".

semantics

10040 Posts

February 04 2010 04:13 GMT

#184

On February 02 2010 23:33 ggrrg wrote:
That's a first step. But there are a few more to go until the US gets rid of that obsolete relic in their Constitution.

Only problem is that there is conflicting data on crime to gun laws in the US. Although there are high injury and death caused by your own gun oddly enough the stats show that crime is lower in stats for the most part where gun laws are most lax. :D food for thought

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