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Why the F*ck am I in Engineering? - Page 6
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Impervious
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"BOOOOOOOM STFU" on it though. | ||
Chill
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ghostWriter
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On January 14 2010 04:21 Chill wrote: Well I went to Queens and it was fine. I can't speak about UofT but unless there's a huge disparity in the courses and difficulty between the two programs I think a lot of engineers are huge babies just looking for acknowledgement. Dunno, it seems that people in science and engineering have a much harder time keeping a good grade average than everyone else. In my school, not sure about others, the curve for introductory science courses sucks since they're trying to weed out the people who won't be able to handle medical school. | ||
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OpticalShot
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Impervious
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Reflex
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On January 14 2010 04:10 Chef wrote: Hahaha. The problem is people in soft degrees are very modest and will always say 'oh your degree is so much harder than mine.' It's devaluing to what we really gain in each of our specific paths which are leading to exactly where we personally want to go. "Hard" degrees are a lot of grinding, and a lot of studying, but I don't think they're literally difficult to obtain if you really devote yourself to them. The people who fail those degrees fail for the same reasons some people fail 'soft' degrees. They party and drink when they should be studying. The only difference is sometimes you can get a crappy but passing mark in a soft degree when you party and drink a lot. But then those are the people who have a hard time finding a job when they graduate anyway. If I spent 8 hours a day studying math instead of doing my readings, I'd probably be pretty good at math  The thing that makes English 'easy' is that I could also just look at class notes and summaries and still get a C if I were satisfied with that.It's where you wanna go in life, and what you're willing to do to get there. Then luck. It gets annoying when someone brags about that, since basically anyone successful does it. I mostly agree with what you have to say. Except for the study + grind = good grade part. It takes a great amount of discipline, both physical and mental, to do well in engineering (other majors as well, of course), but especially in engineering. One slip up on one final exam worth 60% of your grade and you can say goodbye to your pretty GPA. I guess in a way this reflects reality, since engineering is applied science. Once you get out of school you're in the real world applying what you've learned, and one little slip up could not only cost your career but other peoples' lives also. In an ideal world, study + diligence would produce a good grade but in engineering it simply depends on the depth of your understanding. Some people can understand the material in an hour or two while others spend a week grinding through the material without really knowing what they are doing. It's impossible to bullshit your way through courses -in the end, the people who claim they know what they are doing but really don't just expose themselves, usually by failing. | ||
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Reflex
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TheNearl
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On January 13 2010 15:21 lMPERVlOUS wrote: What? The values are optimized assuming a continuous function. It wasn't. Meaning Calculus was pretty useless at determining the precise answer (at least from my understanding of it.....). Explain plz. I wish..... I honestly thought I had a good understanding on how to do everything in the class (at least enough to pass), and then the exam came..... Obviously I didn't do well enough on the exam to pass the course..... When you said step function, I thought you meant the unit step haha But yeah, no calc for sure, If it were discrete then you would just solve it in a discrete way...one step at a time(its long and not fun). Assuming continuous, if you did it right, would give you an answer thats close though. | ||
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Impervious
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Fuck no. Now I'm staying away from finance..... EDIT - I do know how to use the unit step function though. It's not quite the same here..... | ||
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Hypnosis
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On January 14 2010 01:40 phase wrote: Disagree on the whole being physically smart enough. Engineering is easy if you are a patient listener with an open mind to question what you are hearing and receive criticism yourself (and if you have good work ethic, although I think that that's just a plus). A lot of people would do well in engineering if they just open their ears and minds to the material a bit. Also, a very realistic reason why you are in engineering is because it's easier to find engineering jobs and because your median starting B.S. degree salary is like at least 10k higher than other majors. Never say anything is "easy" until you pass with zero effort, I read that and don;t listen to a word you say man. I know you have valid points though just don;t say such blatantly ignorant shit like "this major is easy". No major is easy ok? | ||
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TheNearl
Canada48 Posts
On January 14 2010 12:13 lMPERVlOUS wrote: See, that's just it - the number of years goes to infinity..... It would be impossible to model it without a computer. However, I could put some arbitrary limit on the maximum time it takes for the bonds to mature (say 30 years.....), and then solve using each and every one of those steps (30 year limit would be 60X the work, roughly)..... Fuck no. Now I'm staying away from finance..... EDIT - I do know how to use the unit step function though. It's not quite the same here..... Well, technically the unit step sort of applies here, since we have to assume that we start at t=0 lololol | ||
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Chef
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On January 14 2010 12:39 Hypnosis wrote: Never say anything is "easy" until you pass with zero effort, I read that and don;t listen to a word you say man. I know you have valid points though just don;t say such blatantly ignorant shit like "this major is easy". No major is easy ok? Easy is a very relative term. No point in getting offended about it. He probably just means easy as in the average human being could do it. Lots of people only think of something as hard when they have doubt in their success (I'm one of those people). Whether or not it takes a lot of time doesn't factor into their interpretation of difficulty, unless it takes so much time that they don't think they'll have enough. I consider my major easy because I have zero doubt that if I show up to class and do my work I'll do okay. | ||
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phase
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On January 14 2010 12:39 Hypnosis wrote: Never say anything is "easy" until you pass with zero effort, I read that and don;t listen to a word you say man. I know you have valid points though just don;t say such blatantly ignorant shit like "this major is easy". No major is easy ok? I was just saying that it was easy to put myself in context to what I was responding to (check nested quotes). Normally, I wouldn't say anything is easy (except protoss, *grrrrrrrr, nerdrage*), I'd say something like, not as hard as people make it out to be. And I also didn't make any statements saying that some major was easier than another major. :o Anyways, I wrote my previous segment because I feel that I have an easier time in engineering (4th year EECS @ UC Berkeley) than some of my peers, and I was analyzing some of my study/learning habits and comparing it to some of my peers' study/learning habits. It's not like I'm some douchebag from another random major that randomly comes in saying Engineering is easy :O | ||
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fight_or_flight
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On January 13 2010 23:00 Klockan3 wrote: Engineering is easy if you are smart. Most aren't smart and therefore think that it is hard. The smarter you are the easier the courses gets relative the soft sciences, it is even easier than those if you are high enough. Like, it is easier to double major in physics/maths than taking a lot of social science in between and just take one of those. I think the main problem with engineering degrees is that a lot of non mathematical persons enter those degrees since they adore the work engineers do instead of entering because they have particular talent in with the mediums engineers work in. Maths and physics degrees do not have the same kind of drop-out problem. I've noticed the opposite. I'm both EE and physics, and I've noticed that in EE there is a spectrum of students, ranging from very smart to kind of smart. In physics however, there are two types of students. Smart and dumb. The dumb ones couldn't get accepted into engineering (which is competitive) so they went into physics (which isn't competitive). So a significant portion of physics students are engineering rejects. What amazes me about them is that they pass their physics classes through what I see as sheer willpower. As a side note, I found engineering to be harder than physics. Physics is actually kind of easy. Once you understand the tricks, you use them over and over again in every class. The classes are usually only 3 or 4 credits, no lab. The hw is just a couple problems. Engineering on the other hand is a nightmare sometimes. I mean damn. Every class is 5 credits and they all have labs, where you have to build/simulate things and turn in a report. There are like 20 problems every week, each of which might be more than a page long. There are no little mathematical tricks that will make your problem easy. You have to write a matlab program to solve your problem and/or do painful analysis of a large problem. Don't even get me started on verilog, cadence, FEA, HFSS and all the other things you have to learn during "lab". Or the digital design capstone....which has students in the lab 24 hours a day for the last 1/3 of the quarter. CS students had it rough too. They were the only ones around in the labs while we were doing our EE projects all night, doing their operating systems class or whatever it was. So yea, physics is easy if you are smart. Engineering is hard (painful) whether you're smart or not. | ||
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Jonoman92
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Kinda wish I was doing premed. Chemistry/Biology is way more fun than physics which is a bit dry. But 8+ years of school sounds like ughhh. | ||
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psion0011
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i pretty much skip all my classes and pass with no effort except for a couple days of studying during exam period | ||
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Faronel
United States658 Posts
@ fight or flight...when you say sheer willpower, do you mean like they study hard and learn it well enough to pass any test, or do you mean they do bullshit assignments? | ||
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obesechicken13
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On January 14 2010 16:22 psion0011 wrote: engineering is hella easy, and i'm in waterloo (graduating in 3 months) i pretty much skip all my classes and pass with no effort except for a couple days of studying during exam period Sorry for the bump... Is waterloo an easy school? What specific engineering major are you in? Can you give us an example of one of your easy exams? And if you are real, how the f*** do you study for your exams (and don't tell me it's with a magic guitar). | ||
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QuickStriker
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