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Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
January 13 2010 06:04 GMT
#81
On January 13 2010 11:02 Faronel wrote:
My Calc 3 teacher has been telling my class for years we would be able to do this. I never believed him... until now.


I always counted on Calc 3 being the easiest. This semester should be cake right? calc 3, 2 electives and statics. Go engineers
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4212 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 06:22:34
January 13 2010 06:21 GMT
#82
On January 13 2010 13:07 TheNearl wrote:
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On January 13 2010 09:16 starfries wrote:
On January 13 2010 08:39 lMPERVlOUS wrote:
On January 13 2010 08:26 starfries wrote:
And you can solve most any finance problems if you just know how to take derivatives... I think any math major could walk into a engineering/economics/finance/physics class on the first day and have a good stab at the question (not that I'm a math major)


Short of not knowing the correct terminology, and any shortcuts, a math major could probably walk into any other math major's class and at least be able to give it a shot.....


On the first day at least, and it sounds like that's what you did... you did the math the long way and got the right answer, while the prof had magic finance formulas. In the fourth year econ and physics courses I've taken a lot of it is learning shortcuts. If you can set up the right equations for the problem you've basically done most of the hard work...

btw you should definitely stick with engineering, even if you are thinking of doing finance. Half of the recruiters at engineering career are from finance companies looking for smart math kids.


You could have still solved it the same way given a step function and just ignore any negative results, and if it wasn't continuous, then you didn't even have to do calculus, so it sucks that you wasted all the brain power lolollol


What? The values are optimized assuming a continuous function. It wasn't. Meaning Calculus was pretty useless at determining the precise answer (at least from my understanding of it.....).

Explain plz.

On January 13 2010 15:04 Hypnosis wrote:
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On January 13 2010 11:02 Faronel wrote:
My Calc 3 teacher has been telling my class for years we would be able to do this. I never believed him... until now.


I always counted on Calc 3 being the easiest. This semester should be cake right? calc 3, 2 electives and statics. Go engineers


I wish..... I honestly thought I had a good understanding on how to do everything in the class (at least enough to pass), and then the exam came..... Obviously I didn't do well enough on the exam to pass the course.....
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 06:35:44
January 13 2010 06:34 GMT
#83
On January 13 2010 14:57 OpticalShot wrote:
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On January 13 2010 14:10 Chill wrote:
I'm an engineer and the attitude of engineering students is annoying. It's really not that hard get over yourselves.


Can't help it, Engineering Science @ UT - it's more hell than one can imagine, and honestly, the people who survive and endure through this ridiculous program deserve to be considered superior human beings to others, lol. I'm not joking. The pace, depth, and the sheer amount of courses are just plain ridiculous.


My engineer friend goes through phases where he kinda thinks like this, but its part of his overall misanthrope thing he does sometimes. Anyway you can't really say that people who go something grueling are superior to others who didn't do the same thing, you can just say they were superior to those who tried and failed ;p Kinda reminds me of my undergrad school where packaging majors were often looked down upon by engineers because a lot of engineering drop outs went into packaging.
Never Knows Best.
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
January 13 2010 06:35 GMT
#84
On January 13 2010 14:57 OpticalShot wrote:
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On January 13 2010 14:10 Chill wrote:
I'm an engineer and the attitude of engineering students is annoying. It's really not that hard get over yourselves.


Can't help it, Engineering Science @ UT - it's more hell than one can imagine, and honestly, the people who survive and endure through this ridiculous program deserve to be considered superior human beings to others, lol. I'm not joking. The pace, depth, and the sheer amount of courses are just plain ridiculous.



What the hell man!? We just spent an entire thread explaining why this attitude is ridiculous.



Also, I had a huge LOL at "it's not your fault it's not your fault"
Each day gets better : )
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4212 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 06:54:28
January 13 2010 06:53 GMT
#85
Ella - give him a break. It's all in his head.

An excellent definition of an Engineer

An Engineer is one who passes as an exacting expert on the strength of being able to turn out, with prolific fortitude, strings of incomprehensible formulae calculated with micrometric precision from extremely vague assumptions which are based on debatable figures acquired from inconclusive tests and incomplete experiments, carried out with instruments of problematic accuracy, by persons of doubtful reliable and rather dubious mentality with the particular anticipation of disconcerting and annoying everyone outside their own faculty.


Without that kind of attitude, you cannot be an engineer
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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
January 13 2010 07:00 GMT
#86
On January 13 2010 15:53 lMPERVlOUS wrote:
Ella - give him a break. It's all in his head.

An excellent definition of an Engineer

Show nested quote +
An Engineer is one who passes as an exacting expert on the strength of being able to turn out, with prolific fortitude, strings of incomprehensible formulae calculated with micrometric precision from extremely vague assumptions which are based on debatable figures acquired from inconclusive tests and incomplete experiments, carried out with instruments of problematic accuracy, by persons of doubtful reliable and rather dubious mentality with the particular anticipation of disconcerting and annoying everyone outside their own faculty.


Without that kind of attitude, you cannot be an engineer

Amen to that.
If I didn't think anything else than engineering science was far inferior as an undergraduate program, I would have dropped out of engsci already and went into some other major.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
January 13 2010 07:11 GMT
#87
fuck y'all engineering kids, im double math/physics with a minor in japaneeeeeeeese
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imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
January 13 2010 09:10 GMT
#88
engineering is awesome we destroy stuff
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pubbanana
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3063 Posts
January 13 2010 09:23 GMT
#89
I used to hate engineering students because they always act like they're smarter and better than me. Then I realized that they are and I stopped caring. I go to community college, I major in German (both of my parents are German, my sister and I were raised in Suriname and grew up speaking German, so I thought it would be easy), and I quit the only job I ever held which was stacking jeans at Old Navy.

So, if you're in any type of engineering program, congratulations: You are better than pubbanana.
Wachet, stehet im Glauben, seid männlich und seid stark.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4212 Posts
January 13 2010 13:27 GMT
#90
On January 13 2010 18:23 pubbanana wrote:
I used to hate engineering students because they always act like they're smarter and better than me. Then I realized that they are and I stopped caring. I go to community college, I major in German (both of my parents are German, my sister and I were raised in Suriname and grew up speaking German, so I thought it would be easy), and I quit the only job I ever held which was stacking jeans at Old Navy.

So, if you're in any type of engineering program, congratulations: You are better than pubbanana.


Dude, that's a piss poor view on it.....

And, at one point, I had dropped out of high school, with no intentions on going back. Don't give up, man. If you want it, it's yours for the taking.
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Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 14:04:01
January 13 2010 14:00 GMT
#91
Engineering is easy if you are smart. Most aren't smart and therefore think that it is hard. The smarter you are the easier the courses gets relative the soft sciences, it is even easier than those if you are high enough. Like, it is easier to double major in physics/maths than taking a lot of social science in between and just take one of those.

I think the main problem with engineering degrees is that a lot of non mathematical persons enter those degrees since they adore the work engineers do instead of entering because they have particular talent in with the mediums engineers work in. Maths and physics degrees do not have the same kind of drop-out problem.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 14:23:31
January 13 2010 14:21 GMT
#92
On January 13 2010 15:53 lMPERVlOUS wrote:
Ella - give him a break. It's all in his head.

An excellent definition of an Engineer

Show nested quote +
An Engineer is one who passes as an exacting expert on the strength of being able to turn out, with prolific fortitude, strings of incomprehensible formulae calculated with micrometric precision from extremely vague assumptions which are based on debatable figures acquired from inconclusive tests and incomplete experiments, carried out with instruments of problematic accuracy, by persons of doubtful reliable and rather dubious mentality with the particular anticipation of disconcerting and annoying everyone outside their own faculty.


Without that kind of attitude, you cannot be an engineer

nah, but with that attitude, you can be a huge dink. you'll find in the real world, people have short tolerances for fresh grads who think they're big shit because they have a engineering degree (wow!!!!).
everyone you work with will have an eng degree too. and most of them won't be douches, because they grew up

and cambium what you wrote is typical bs
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Chromyne
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada561 Posts
January 13 2010 14:52 GMT
#93
Do you go to Waterloo? If so, Mandatory MSCI261 or equiv. + Calc could work (of course I'm sure other schools do the whole ECON deal). IMO, wait until Calc IV =(.
Soli Deo gloria.
phase
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States399 Posts
January 13 2010 16:40 GMT
#94
On January 13 2010 23:00 Klockan3 wrote:
Engineering is easy if you are smart. Most aren't smart and therefore think that it is hard. The smarter you are the easier the courses gets relative the soft sciences, it is even easier than those if you are high enough. Like, it is easier to double major in physics/maths than taking a lot of social science in between and just take one of those.

I think the main problem with engineering degrees is that a lot of non mathematical persons enter those degrees since they adore the work engineers do instead of entering because they have particular talent in with the mediums engineers work in. Maths and physics degrees do not have the same kind of drop-out problem.


Disagree on the whole being physically smart enough.

Engineering is easy if you are a patient listener with an open mind to question what you are hearing and receive criticism yourself (and if you have good work ethic, although I think that that's just a plus). A lot of people would do well in engineering if they just open their ears and minds to the material a bit.

Also, a very realistic reason why you are in engineering is because it's easier to find engineering jobs and because your median starting B.S. degree salary is like at least 10k higher than other majors.
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4212 Posts
January 13 2010 18:22 GMT
#95
On January 13 2010 23:00 Klockan3 wrote:
Engineering is easy if you are smart. Most aren't smart and therefore think that it is hard. The smarter you are the easier the courses gets relative the soft sciences, it is even easier than those if you are high enough. Like, it is easier to double major in physics/maths than taking a lot of social science in between and just take one of those.

I think the main problem with engineering degrees is that a lot of non mathematical persons enter those degrees since they adore the work engineers do instead of entering because they have particular talent in with the mediums engineers work in. Maths and physics degrees do not have the same kind of drop-out problem.



What?

One of my good friends here is in pre-med. He's admitted that he couldn't do the classes I have. I can't do the biology courses that he takes.

He is far smarter than I am..... He's got a very good chance of passing the MCAT. Heck, he's got a very good chance at doing very well on it. I would be surprised if he got turned down for med school.

People are wired differently. That's what it comes down to. It's not about being "smarter".....
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sassy
Profile Joined December 2009
240 Posts
January 13 2010 18:57 GMT
#96
in my experience philosophy/history majors scoff at everything else T_T
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 13 2010 19:10 GMT
#97
On January 13 2010 15:35 ella_guru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 14:57 OpticalShot wrote:
On January 13 2010 14:10 Chill wrote:
I'm an engineer and the attitude of engineering students is annoying. It's really not that hard get over yourselves.


Can't help it, Engineering Science @ UT - it's more hell than one can imagine, and honestly, the people who survive and endure through this ridiculous program deserve to be considered superior human beings to others, lol. I'm not joking. The pace, depth, and the sheer amount of courses are just plain ridiculous.



What the hell man!? We just spent an entire thread explaining why this attitude is ridiculous.



Also, I had a huge LOL at "it's not your fault it's not your fault"

Hahaha. The problem is people in soft degrees are very modest and will always say 'oh your degree is so much harder than mine.' It's devaluing to what we really gain in each of our specific paths which are leading to exactly where we personally want to go. "Hard" degrees are a lot of grinding, and a lot of studying, but I don't think they're literally difficult to obtain if you really devote yourself to them. The people who fail those degrees fail for the same reasons some people fail 'soft' degrees. They party and drink when they should be studying. The only difference is sometimes you can get a crappy but passing mark in a soft degree when you party and drink a lot. But then those are the people who have a hard time finding a job when they graduate anyway. If I spent 8 hours a day studying math instead of doing my readings, I'd probably be pretty good at math The thing that makes English 'easy' is that I could also just look at class notes and summaries and still get a C if I were satisfied with that.

It's where you wanna go in life, and what you're willing to do to get there. Then luck. It gets annoying when someone brags about that, since basically anyone successful does it.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
January 13 2010 19:21 GMT
#98
On January 13 2010 14:57 OpticalShot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 14:10 Chill wrote:
I'm an engineer and the attitude of engineering students is annoying. It's really not that hard get over yourselves.


Can't help it, Engineering Science @ UT - it's more hell than one can imagine, and honestly, the people who survive and endure through this ridiculous program deserve to be considered superior human beings to others, lol. I'm not joking. The pace, depth, and the sheer amount of courses are just plain ridiculous.

Well I went to Queens and it was fine. I can't speak about UofT but unless there's a huge disparity in the courses and difficulty between the two programs I think a lot of engineers are huge babies just looking for acknowledgement.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
January 13 2010 19:23 GMT
#99
On January 13 2010 15:53 lMPERVlOUS wrote:
Ella - give him a break. It's all in his head.

An excellent definition of an Engineer

Show nested quote +
An Engineer is one who passes as an exacting expert on the strength of being able to turn out, with prolific fortitude, strings of incomprehensible formulae calculated with micrometric precision from extremely vague assumptions which are based on debatable figures acquired from inconclusive tests and incomplete experiments, carried out with instruments of problematic accuracy, by persons of doubtful reliable and rather dubious mentality with the particular anticipation of disconcerting and annoying everyone outside their own faculty.


Without that kind of attitude, you cannot be an engineer

Sure you can because that statement is exaggerrated to the point of comedy. It's also great that you're telling people who are something what they should be when you aren't that yet.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
January 13 2010 19:27 GMT
#100
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