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Why the F*ck am I in Engineering?

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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4209 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-13 00:39:47
January 12 2010 20:00 GMT
#1
I set my alarm this morning for 7:45 am. I decided to hit snooze a few times, even though my first class was at 8:30..... So, I was late for class.

I walked into the very first class for this course this semester. The prof sees me walk in, and before I get to any seat, and shouts at me to hold on. He points at the example question on the screen and asks me to solve it before I can sit down.

I can't remember the exact question, but it is involving the buying and selling of bonds, and optimizing the investment to gain the largest monetary return above the MARR.

So, first thing I do is setup the equations properly (making them if needed). The price of the bond vs the interest rate of them can be simplified into a single equation, for instance.

I then take the gradient of the two equations that I cannot further simplify. I find where these are equal to zero, which are the optimized positions (having already clarified that I was excluding any interest rate equal to 0 or below, since the interest rate and price of the bond are in an inverse relationship, among other things). All this time, the prof is just letting me do my thing.

I find two local maximums/minimums/saddle points/inflection points/whatever else they can be, and I also find that as any of the variables approach infinity, or zero, the return on the investment approaches zero. So, I then check the derivative of the gradients to figure out what they are. Both end up being local maximums, so, as such, I plug both answers into the equation for the profit, and find that both are very close values, but one is larger. The question is dealing with hundreds of millions of dollars btw. The difference between these two answers is less than 60 dollars. One of the interest rates I found was around 4.5%, the other was around 5.5%, and the Par for the bond was 5%.

Anyways, when I give him my answer, he goes onto the next slide. The answer that he found was through a very simple formula, after making a certain assumption based on the situation at hand. He looked at me and said "you clearly didn't do the reading I assigned through the email", or something of the sort. The answer he got was the 4.5% answer. It earned a bit of laughter from the rest of the class.

I look around, and I don't see anyone I recognize from any of my other classes. Something is starting to feel wrong about this.....

I then looked at the answers I had, and saw that the one for 5.5% that I had was actually the higher value, not the lower. I ask him to check the answer using the numbers I found. He also got a higher value than using his equations to find the numbers for it.

At this point, he's actually looking a little shocked. I then ask him what class this actually is.

"ADM 4 _ _ _" A fourth year financial management class.

I tell him "Oops, I'm in the wrong class. I'm a second year engineering student".....

He laughs at this, and tells me that if I gave that answer on a test, he'd give me more than 100% on that answer. He then goes to pour over why his method gave him a different answer, even though they were stupidly close, and little point in actually figuring out why they were different.....

I leave, and step into the classroom I'm supposed to be in (right next door). I've missed nearly 30 minutes of that class.....

Why the fuck did I go into engineering? I'm failing, or coming close to it in my classes, and that looked like a fucking breeze.....

Oh, wait, I remember. I'm in it for this:

[image loading]


That's right bitches! One ring to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them!

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 13 2010 09:32 lMPERVlOUS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 09:16 starfries wrote:
On January 13 2010 08:39 lMPERVlOUS wrote:
On January 13 2010 08:26 starfries wrote:
And you can solve most any finance problems if you just know how to take derivatives... I think any math major could walk into a engineering/economics/finance/physics class on the first day and have a good stab at the question (not that I'm a math major)


Short of not knowing the correct terminology, and any shortcuts, a math major could probably walk into any other math major's class and at least be able to give it a shot.....


On the first day at least, and it sounds like that's what you did... you did the math the long way and got the right answer, while the prof had magic finance formulas. In the fourth year econ and physics courses I've taken a lot of it is learning shortcuts. If you can set up the right equations for the problem you've basically done most of the hard work...

btw you should definitely stick with engineering, even if you are thinking of doing finance. Half of the recruiters at engineering career are from finance companies looking for smart math kids.


Actually, I'm not that brilliant in math..... It just happened that I understand optimization techniques really well. I still failed Cal III after all..... And, having thought of it, I think I figured out how I made a mistake.....

I assumed that the years were a continuous variable (even though they weren't)..... I should have assumed it was a step function, which would have made the question unsolvable (at least, I don't have a clue how to solve that)..... If the prof's formulas were to take that into account (not that I see how that would be accomplished, but I dunno), his answer may have been higher than mine would have been.....

Fuck.....

EDIT - Actually, now I'm not sure how I got the same answer as the prof? Maybe I was close enough to an integer?



****
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-12 20:08:15
January 12 2010 20:03 GMT
#2
You have a very bizarre sense of priorities ^_^.

Though this story has some great things in it. Thanks for sharing.


My program gets me this

[image loading]



What does YOURS get you!? Let's compare notes.
Each day gets better : )
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
January 12 2010 20:05 GMT
#3
yeah business/finance classes are if you understand basic calculus.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
kaisr
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada715 Posts
January 12 2010 20:06 GMT
#4
hahaha you just shit all over that class.
Blyf
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Denmark408 Posts
January 12 2010 20:08 GMT
#5
Interesting read. By the title I thought you'd be an engineering student frustrated with his choice of education... Like me.
"ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" - Charles Darwin --- wtf? begets isn't a word. quit trying to make up words, fuckface. - Some idiot --- D3 Evelynn main with a side of Ashe/Tristana
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4209 Posts
January 12 2010 20:12 GMT
#6
On January 13 2010 05:03 ella_guru wrote:
You have a very bizarre sense of priorities ^_^.

Though this story has some great things in it. Thanks for sharing.


My program gets me this

[image loading]



What does YOURS get you!? Let's compare notes.


I do have a very bizarre sense of priorities. That's why I'm going to the LAN on the weekend instead of going out to another party I was invited to, which could likely get me laid..... Ah, well.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
January 12 2010 20:15 GMT
#7
Wait, arent you in civil engineering....?
Each day gets better : )
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
January 12 2010 20:15 GMT
#8
Lol, engineering sounds awesome; hmm
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4209 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-12 20:21:46
January 12 2010 20:17 GMT
#9
On January 13 2010 05:15 ella_guru wrote:
Wait, arent you in civil engineering....?


Yes. The class I was on my way to was on surveying.
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
January 12 2010 20:18 GMT
#10
That one doesn't really count : (
Each day gets better : )
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
January 12 2010 20:21 GMT
#11
On January 13 2010 05:03 ella_guru wrote:
You have a very bizarre sense of priorities ^_^.

Though this story has some great things in it. Thanks for sharing.


My program gets me this

[image loading]



What does YOURS get you!? Let's compare notes.

Your program gets you a guitar? You know you can just buy those, right?
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4209 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-12 20:24:55
January 12 2010 20:23 GMT
#12
On January 13 2010 05:18 ella_guru wrote:
That one doesn't really count : (



why not?
~ \(ˌ)im-ˈpər-vē-əs\ : not capable of being damaged or harmed.
TheNearl
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada48 Posts
January 12 2010 20:24 GMT
#13
On January 13 2010 05:21 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 05:03 ella_guru wrote:
You have a very bizarre sense of priorities ^_^.

Though this story has some great things in it. Thanks for sharing.


My program gets me this

[image loading]



What does YOURS get you!? Let's compare notes.

Your program gets you a guitar? You know you can just buy those, right?


Its a magic guitar ^_^
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
January 12 2010 20:26 GMT
#14
On January 13 2010 05:24 TheNearl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 05:21 Chill wrote:
On January 13 2010 05:03 ella_guru wrote:
You have a very bizarre sense of priorities ^_^.

Though this story has some great things in it. Thanks for sharing.


My program gets me this

[image loading]



What does YOURS get you!? Let's compare notes.

Your program gets you a guitar? You know you can just buy those, right?


Its a magic guitar ^_^


I doubt it. Magic doesn't exist
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
January 12 2010 20:28 GMT
#15
On January 13 2010 05:21 Chill wrote:

Your program gets you a guitar? You know you can just buy those, right?


Yes but mine is especially lovely. It's a magic guitar!

Impervious is just famed for his pride in engineering, though I think it's a bit unfounded in that we should just enjoy our own pursuits instead of LOLShitting on everyone else.

It's very unbecoming. I mean, if we all went to school to do the most 'labour intensive' major on paper, it wouldn't be civil engineering. Excellence in ANY subject is difficult.
Each day gets better : )
ella_guru
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada1741 Posts
January 12 2010 20:29 GMT
#16
On January 13 2010 05:26 Foucault wrote:





I doubt it. Magic doesn't exist



It does if you believe, of course ^_^.
Each day gets better : )
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
January 12 2010 20:29 GMT
#17
But dude! The opposite happens for me! My professor was a purely theoretical "black magic" kind of economist who didn't feel it was appropriate to actually talk about math. Made my head explode.
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
TheNearl
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada48 Posts
January 12 2010 20:30 GMT
#18
On January 13 2010 05:26 Foucault wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2010 05:24 TheNearl wrote:
On January 13 2010 05:21 Chill wrote:
On January 13 2010 05:03 ella_guru wrote:
You have a very bizarre sense of priorities ^_^.

Though this story has some great things in it. Thanks for sharing.


My program gets me this

[image loading]



What does YOURS get you!? Let's compare notes.

Your program gets you a guitar? You know you can just buy those, right?


Its a magic guitar ^_^


I doubt it. Magic doesn't exist

Oh, sorry I forgot. Thanks for pointing that out
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
January 12 2010 20:33 GMT
#19
damn right
order of the engineer
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4209 Posts
January 12 2010 20:36 GMT
#20
On January 13 2010 05:33 KOFgokuon wrote:
damn right
order of the engineer


That's just a copycat of us Canadians you know.....

The real story!
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