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Hungary3932 Posts
 Nice idea with the gas being hidden under the temples. There are a lot of suboptimal gas positions though. Also, the rush distance seems painfully short, doesnt it make the map Z imba? Maybe you could make some very low hp wall in the middle pathway? | ||
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4619/crystalizedq.jpg) the orange recangles are spots with opening needs. I feel that in the case of any really strong contain in the middle of the map, depending on how narrow it is in gameplay, with this idea of opening those four spots the contains could have less chance of winning due to small center. The green lines are the line of travel that can be taken if these new spots are re-touched. The two recangles attached to the higher ground would have 2 new ramps added. and the Rectangle covering the Crystalists could be removed, or just add a small opening something like bluestorm, or the size of longinus. If not that then a normal opening about the size of the rectangle. YES, the opening on crystalist make it as big as the rectangle, if not then your taste is good, But! now we add mineral line to that as a wall! so that way late game it does become an opening, :D | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
On December 03 2009 23:48 wishbones wrote: the orange recangles are spots with opening needs. I feel that in the case of any really strong contain in the middle of the map, depending on how narrow it is in gameplay, with this idea of opening those four spots the contains could have less chance of winning due to small center. The green lines are the line of travel that can be taken if these new spots are re-touched. The two recangles attached to the higher ground would have 2 new ramps added. and the Rectangle covering the Crystalists could be removed, or just add a small opening something like bluestorm, or the size of longinus. If not that then a normal opening about the size of the rectangle. YES, the opening on crystalist make it as big as the rectangle, if not then your taste is good, But! now we add mineral line to that as a wall! so that way late game it does become an opening, :D Ok so add two new wide ramps to the high ground, and remove those crystalist so it become's open'd up, But if you dont want to have it completely opened all game, then add a mineral line to where the crystals used to be, each mineral having about 32 minerals per Field. This way that location will become more useable later on for flanks in very sticky predicaments that look like its gg for you. You can secretly set up flanks and still come back with this new look. Maybe im wrong, but try it! i cant create it, it always tells me error. So if u could do that, ill dl and try it for sure. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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CaptainPlatypus
United States852 Posts
I think wishbones' suggestion is a good one - it'll make the game both more stable (pushes will actually be flankable in the midgame) and less prone to locking up (pushes will still be possible when both players have massive armies). One thing I'm both excited about and slightly leery of is an extremely short rush distance, coupled with a relatively open natural. This will keep all games from being robotic 4 hatch before pool versus 12 nexus or whatever, but I think it might be dramatic enough to have a far higher proportion of cheese than you probably want. I'd consider slightly narrowing the natural (either with terrain or some sort of partial neutral-building/mineral wall) or just walling off the middle lane (I'd recommend something low hit points and unstacked to minimize stylistic impact). This wouldn't be particularly major, especially combined with wishbones' ramp suggestion, but it would add a crucial few seconds to the rush distance. Actually, I'd consider walling the two potential new ramps that're adjacent to the main lane as well. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
New update ![[image loading]](http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg356/Grobyc_/crystal.jpg) - Protoss temple changed to Xel naga temple, since the old temple only had 1500 life, which is pretty easy to kill by the time you would take your third gas anyway. - Added new ramps to the high ground near the middle - Removed a crystal wall near the middle - fixed some misc things that differed between the symmetry of the map like path width etc. - Added some more crystals on cliffs around the map for appearance. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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RedTerror
New Zealand742 Posts
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CaptainPlatypus
United States852 Posts
EDIT BELOW The best "fix" I can think of (to increase the rush distance) is to put a permanent crystal wall at both ends of the middle lane (where it splits to each base's natural and 3rd), with a gap closed by mineral patches or one to four generators. This has less impact than, say, remapping everything to have a slightly less direct center path, without making everything completely ugly. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
tbh, it isn't exactly a horrible thing if the rush distance is close. its a 2 player map so you can scout cheese right away, and you can rush in any mu, so it's not imba for a certain race. do you guys think it is pretty good TvP/PvT wise now? there's quite a bit of paths, and ingame they are relatively large as well. many different directions to expand as well. | ||
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CaptainPlatypus
United States852 Posts
On December 04 2009 12:46 Grobyc wrote: pathing is fine, there is terrain under the crystals. i've tested it as well. tbh, it isn't exactly a horrible thing if the rush distance is close. its a 2 player map so you can scout cheese right away, and you can rush in any mu, so it's not imba for a certain race. do you guys think it is pretty good TvP/PvT wise now? there's quite a bit of paths, and ingame they are relatively large as well. many different directions to expand as well. The close rush distance is more a stylistic choice I guess, I was recommending that more as someone addicted to long macro games than as someone who thinks your map's imbalanced.  Looks good PvT, though I'd have to disagree about the expansion directions - I think 95+% of games will see a left/right split, with the third being taken at the temple location and the fourth in the corner. Nothing wrong with that, though. TvZ I don't see any problems either, though I don't play this matchup so it's harder to judge. Wide natural could potentially make sunken breaks pretty powerful? ZvP the wall is just a touch awkward (two spots where lings can fit through is no good), but not gamebreakingly so. The main unique feature I see is that the third is so close to the nat, and the fourth to the third, that defending against pushes (with either race, but particularly as protoss because this is mostly a versus-five-hatch-hydra issue) is extremely easy. If he pushes up the middle, fall back to your third. If he attacks your nat anyway, he's not outmaneuvering you, he's just setting up to be flanked. If he follows you to your third, you get to fight with your static defense and your reinforcements flanking him. Similarly, you can reinforce your fourth from your third with no serious problems. Still, that'll lead to long, interesting games, not any imbalance for one race or another, so I'm happy. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
I did a little more bit of modifying, mainly small things, but now you can create a perfect wall PvZ at your nat with your forge and gateway. Also, you can wallin TvP at your nat as well now with 2 depots and a rax. all pictures are shown in OP. the final version download links are up as well. | ||
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
Who is up for a game vs me on it? will provide replays ;D EDIT: OH BTW LOL, change the fucking 5 main ramp? like srsly? how fucked up is that lolololol i mean you used completely different tiles at the top...wtf Change it and ill play it ;D | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/2ls7k8l.jpg) Especially the top(not needed for wall-in). The bottom is also possible to look better even with proper wall-in, i think :D | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + also it's incredibly ironic that kona grinds out a map a week and nobody has really used his yet | ||
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