EPTOn August 29 2009 11:46 deathgod6 wrote:
That would be no fun if go.go doesn't get back on a team! No more bm CCs!
That would be no fun if go.go doesn't get back on a team! No more bm CCs!
never worry, skyhigh will save the day!
[News] go.go FAILS to negotiate with WeMade - Page 6
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Perguvious
United States1783 Posts
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On August 29 2009 05:28 OSWater wrote: What probably happened was that wemade couldn't afford such a player as go.go. The secret to go.go being in Sparkyz is that they built two gaming houses, one for the team and one for go.go. Also, his contract states that other players can bribe go.go for wins in tournaments and proleague. Without this, nobody would ever win against this player. In this economic hardship no other team could even think about go.go, so I guess we were all fools to consider this. The man is exceedingly wealthy and is probably more respected than the president of Korea. After all, he did create the sun, stars and our universe. All praise Lord go.go and the tidings he brings. thread just got good | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On August 29 2009 10:42 Aegraen wrote: It's bigger than 0% is it not? I suppose you would rather keep the current state of SC static. Gotcha! Anyways, not like you need to go to college when your minimum salary is upwards of 350k+ a year, and you get a Pension after 2-3-4 years depending on sport. You misinterpreted what I wrote. You made it seem as if every athlete who gets drafted has a college degree. Many don't. Many of these guys leave as sophomores and juniors (and in the rare cases, after a year) and there are no guarantees. They could have an injury plagued career. They could just straight up not adjust. There are no guarantees. In this situation (StarCraft, now), none of these kids are stupid. Not only are they good, but a lot of them could probably get a good ride to a school of their choice. They'll all be able to do college or carry a career after this point in time. Why shouldn't they stay with the money flow now and just go to college at a later date. I agree that the current state of this free agency is absolute shit, but I'm just pointing out a flaw in your logic. | ||
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GoSu
Korea (South)1773 Posts
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snorlax
United States755 Posts
On August 29 2009 02:56 Braintricks wrote: This is so ridiculous. They should be allowed agents, and agents that are knowledgeable in the scene. Artosis: interested in a new career path? When seeing your favorite team icon I actually had to click on it to know that it was woonjing, god its like the first I've ever seen. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9101 Posts
Lol at the way this looks in the sidebar: [News] go.go FAILS... ..so harsh! | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27113 Posts
On August 29 2009 10:09 Aegraen wrote: What I wouldn't give for a system similar to all professional sports in which you go to college play the sport, get your degree and then get drafted onto a team. That should be the model they follow. Um... 95% of MLB players don't go to college, 99% of NHL players don't go, and NBA players go for ONE SEMESTER to fill the mandatory year. Only in football do students generally stay 4 years, and even then it isn't mandatory. Basically you don't know what you are talking about. Again. | ||
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ZergZoul
Mexico408 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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AlwaysGG
Taiwan952 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On August 29 2009 13:28 Manifesto7 wrote: Um... 95% of MLB players don't go to college, 99% of NHL players don't go, and NBA players go for ONE SEMESTER to fill the mandatory year. Only in football do students generally stay 4 years, and even then it isn't mandatory. Basically you don't know what you are talking about. Again. I will concede I should have been more precise. Yes, Hockey doesn't, and many NBA players come out of College. College Basketball is huge and most of the draftees are actually college players. Of course the top 5 always has at least one HS player, but that is not indicative of the draft at all. You're also dead wrong on MLB. Go through this, you will see at least 60% of the players drafted are collegiate players. http://www.mymlbdraft.com/2008/ Go through all the years yourself. Check it. I'll make it easy, just a sample: Top 30 from 2008 Draft: Collegiate - 24 High School - 6 | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27113 Posts
And yes, Americans go through college for MLB, but after taking that 60% of the draft, please add the number of players that are signed outside America. Approximately 40 percent of the players in organized baseball were born outside the United States. Most of those players sign during the summer when they are 16 years old, a signing bonanza that begins annually on July 2. - from SI My 95% may be an exageration, but if only 60% of the draft went to college (and no number on how many actually graduate, only 40% of NFL players graduate), and the draft only makes up 60% of the players, that makes a minority. Again, you don't know what you are talking about. You argue through google, not through knowledge. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On August 29 2009 14:39 Manifesto7 wrote: Actually there are zero HS basketball draftees, since they all have to wait until they are 19 now. That is why they attend one year of university (or play oveseas). The vast majority of NBA draftees leave before graduating. And yes, Americans go through college for MLB, but after taking that 60% of the draft, please add the number of players that are signed outside America. - from SI My 95% may be an exageration, but if only 60% of the draft went to college (and no number on how many actually graduate, only 40% of NFL players graduate), and the draft only makes up 60% of the players, that makes a minority. Again, you don't know what you are talking about. You argue through google, not through knowledge. Yes, I was talking prior to the new rule inception. http://www.nba.com/history/draft_round1_2000s.html Obviously you keep saying I have no clue what I'm talking about, when it is the opposite. The results of the drafts are right there! Secondly, many players who go to college to play, don't get drafted, but they get a free college education because of the sport. You don't think that would foster and encourage number one: - A more competitive environment (More incentives, larger player base, etc.) - A more positive outlook on the whole of the Sport Every professional sport has a collegiate athletics program. Does everyone who goes to school for these sports get drafted and complete college? Certainly not everyone. Do a great percentage? Yes, of course. Do those who don't get drafted, get something out of the sport? Hell yes, an education. Only a baffoon would not support the inception of SC as a college sport into their programs. What reasons do you have to be against this? Are you arguing purely based on you thinking, I think every single player in every sport that has a collegiate program has a degree? Jesus christ, I'm not sure what I said to give you that impression. Yeah, those players who sign outside the US? You know what their living conditions are like? Even a 10,000$ contract is like hitting the jackpot. Ever read up on Alex Rodriguez and how he grew up? Many Dominican Republic players, Curacao, etc. grew up very impoverished. It's a betterment to their situation. Obviously, I would be talking about first world countries.....where the luxuries of an Education can be sought and obtained. A rundown: I presented a case because of the success of other professional sports introducing the players into the collegiate life and aspect before going pro (Not all, of course, but the vast majority), into the E-Sports / SC realm and it received harsh criticism, possibly not on the merit, but on some misguided attempt to marginalize me by seeking to disprove whatever "number" he thought I came up with. Look, we can stop arguing semantics, I will lay out the draft figures right in front of you if you want to continue, but seriously are you, or are you not opposed to collegiate SC programs for the entry way into the sport like every other major sport? PS. I happen to know from personal experience also, as I could have gone on to college with a scholarship to play Baseball, but I was an idiot and decided not to and I was in an area with the best teams in the Country and knew many of the players (Tampa Catholic, etc.). Everyone was focused on playing college baseball number one for the experience and number two as a jumping stone to the minors. Of course there are exceptions, but you're talking about the best 5% in the country. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27113 Posts
Are you arguing purely based on you thinking, I think every single player in every sport that has a collegiate program has a degree? Jesus christ, I'm not sure what I said to give you that impression. What I wouldn't give for a system similar to all professional sports in which you go to college play the sport, get your degree and then get drafted onto a team. That should be the model they follow. Probably your own words. I suggest you look at Sumo or Tennis, which are aligned much more closely with SC than team sports, and examine how those sports operate compared to professional SC. That will give you a much clearer picture into how things operate in parallel sports. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27113 Posts
On August 29 2009 15:11 benjammin wrote: what odds would someone lay me on sc becoming a collegiate sport in korea? 1000-1? There are progamer programs already in some Korean universities. However, look at Tennis as an example. There are collegiate tennis players, but the vast majority left school to pursue tennis full time. The most successful tennis players are not the ones who finished college. What Aegeran fails to understand is that while university is great, AS A PROFESSIONAL you will get better results in an intensive environment such as tennis academies or progaming houses. The top players are the best because they are in the field, not because they go to college. If you just want to be in a club and go to university, that is one thing. If you want to be a champion, it is not the best environment. That is why people are against his argument. | ||
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rei
United States3593 Posts
On August 29 2009 15:17 Manifesto7 wrote: Probably your own words. lol so pwned,... again and again, time after time. puts a smile on my face. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
A large part of the reason why athletes go to college in the USA is because the ages simply happen to line up pretty well. Even LeBron and Dwight Howard (probably the best first seasons for high school players ... also Amare) were merely very good players their first season, nothing like say what Flash was at 15 or Jaedong at 17. Yes, there are rules now for the NBA in terms of draft age (and there's always been a rule in the NFL) but it's not really the biggest hindrance. The reason why a lower proportion of baseball and hockey players go to college is because while an 18 year old can't play in the MLB, they are fully capable of playing A-ball, and similar examples apply to the NHL. | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
On August 29 2009 11:44 errol1001 wrote: You might not make 150k straight out of college, but that doesn't matter. You could make that much towards the end of your career. You lose those years, the ones at the end of your career. Not the ones at the start. It wouldn't matter if was all there was to it. But starting your career later is going to hurt your career. This is what I was going to say. As much as I don't like go.go for his bm, I feel bad for him potentially losing his ability to be a progamer because of his parents. Instead of allowing players freedom, FA puts intense pressure on players with the threat of having no team. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
On August 29 2009 18:56 Vivi57 wrote: This is what I was going to say. As much as I don't like go.go for his bm, I feel bad for him potentially losing his ability to be a progamer because of his parents. Instead of allowing players freedom, FA puts intense pressure on players with the threat of having no team. Agreed. Being a progamer is hard enough since you're pretty much throwing away your future, especially if you're not a known player. Kespa really has to stop throwing its weight around like this, it's so obnoxious and isn't helpful to e-sports at all =/ | ||
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