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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
On August 29 2009 02:30 JWD wrote: a) parents must approve contracts and b) players are not allowed agents are awful. Essentially these rules make parents into agents. THIS. It forces the Pro gamers to have agents that do NOT know much about the industry, and obviously want as much for their child as possible, not exactly professional. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 29 2009 07:51 iamho wrote: yes, because progamers will make so much money in 20 years Fixed. As I said before, the likely outlook on this is looking out for the long-term. While they might make more money NOW than a college graduate, progaming is a young and volatile industry, and combined with the rapid deterioration of a player's skill past their early 20s, there is little to no job security in the long run. It seems that unless you're making enough money to secure your financial future over the next 20-30 years (or at least enough to make up for the lack of job security), it would be considered better to find a line of work that has long-term security (which is why Jaedong's parents want him to get an education in a computer-related field). IMO this is not an unreasonable line of thinking to have, and treating these parents like they're crazy seems pretty out of line. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Anyways, FA fails hard. | ||
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
It is the FA system for Proleague that is the main issue. Too much concessions to corporations and no freedom for the players. There is no point to a FA system that restricts the players so much. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
He was the second best Terran in proleague and people somehow think he's worse than go.go? Not Light's fault he runs into Jaedong then Yarnc when trying to qualify for OSL while gogo faces Juni. Can't see the full story here but the parents do seem to be pretty unreasonable. go.go is definitely not of Light's caliber, a fluke starleague ro8 notwithstanding. Mind also has proven that he's a very strong player when in form. go.go simply isn't on the same level. | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
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imDerek
United States1944 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On August 29 2009 08:01 ShaperofDreams wrote: I believe the real question is "Why is Kespa so demanding?" Although I do agree that gogo's parents don't really understand that he is not up up par with Mind/Light and thus does not deserve their salary. I don't think JD's parents were too demanding I just think they understood how important he is/how he is sacrificing his education. Just because you don't go to college when you are 18 / 19 / 20 doesn't mean you are "sacrificing your education". Seriously, right now he isn't sacrificing anything. I'm not sure how much 150M is in US, but I'm guessing upwards of 150k+. (Since Flash, etc. get 200+) You tell me, what job pays 150k+ with a BS? Make the money now, then go to college. In the end you have made more money. SC > School, for such high calibre players. I do agree that it's a huge sacrifice for B-Teamers and frankly, not ever worth it. Now, if they could stay at home and practice with A-Team over Internet then that would be a sacrifice since you could go to school and be on the B-Team. What I wouldn't give for a system similar to all professional sports in which you go to college play the sport, get your degree and then get drafted onto a team. That should be the model they follow. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On August 29 2009 08:09 TheYango wrote: Fixed. As I said before, the likely outlook on this is looking out for the long-term. While they might make more money NOW than a college graduate, progaming is a young and volatile industry, and combined with the rapid deterioration of a player's skill past their early 20s, there is little to no job security in the long run. It seems that unless you're making enough money to secure your financial future over the next 20-30 years (or at least enough to make up for the lack of job security), it would be considered better to find a line of work that has long-term security (which is why Jaedong's parents want him to get an education in a computer-related field). IMO this is not an unreasonable line of thinking to have, and treating these parents like they're crazy seems pretty out of line. I know this might be a stretch, but you can go to school after playing SC when the money is not sufficient for the time invested. Simply retire then go to school. I'm curious where the written rule is that if you don't go to college before your 21 or 22 that you will never graduate college or succeed. I have real life examples in my own family to disprove this horrid notion. Stay in the line of work that pays more NOW, and then when it doesn't pay so well go to school. You have lost no time. There are hardly any jobs with a BS and no experience that you make over 100k+. Good luck finding one! On subject of FA and Go.go: This system is absolutely horrendous, but it serves the purpose it was created for as was alluded to by a previous poster. To keep player prices down. It's a rigged system. Also, whats the legal age in KR? 18 here in the States. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On August 29 2009 10:09 Aegraen wrote: What I wouldn't give for a system similar to all professional sports in which you go to college play the sport, get your degree and then get drafted onto a team. That should be the model they follow. You... might want to read up on your professional sports drafts... why don't you look up the numbers for how many players who enter the draft actually finish their degree programs one day. I'll give you a hint: It's not as high as you're making it seem to be. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On August 29 2009 10:30 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: You... might want to read up on your professional sports drafts... why don't you look up the numbers for how many players who enter the draft actually finish their degree programs one day. I'll give you a hint: It's not as high as you're making it seem to be. It's bigger than 0% is it not? I suppose you would rather keep the current state of SC static. Gotcha! Anyways, not like you need to go to college when your minimum salary is upwards of 350k+ a year, and you get a Pension after 2-3-4 years depending on sport. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
1) As mentioned above many times, the players aren't allowed agents and FA rules pretty much force parents to be involved. 2) Our perspective on the players is different from that of the parents. The parents care about the actual person, while we're focus on the player. While most of you see Jaedong retiring from sc as the least desirable outcome, the parents see Jaedong overworked and missing an education without even receiving a fair wage as the worst outcome. 3) While the players can get an education later in life, it's not just about being behind in academics by 2 or 3 years. These kids are stuck in a room playing one video game all day. They are missing out on a lot of experiences and learning opportunities. The parents are right to think that this is not worth it unless the players are paid a certain amount of money, and that retirement may be a better option. Lastly, remember that most of what we know about how the players feel about playing sc and their lives in general comes from interviews and second-hand sources. We don't really get to see what's really happening with the players while the parents are much closer to the situation. You guys could be right that the parents are screwing up, but we just don't have enough information to be able to make that judgment right now. We have no idea what is going on in the players' personal lives. | ||
NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
If some interesting trades had emerged and no one had gotten burned in the process it would have been a great facet for mixing up proleague and the teams themselves, but as it is it's just been a total failure which highlighted the element of eSports I understand, but do not care for - times when it's just all about the money. | ||
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Perguvious
United States1783 Posts
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errol1001
454 Posts
You could make that much towards the end of your career. You lose those years, the ones at the end of your career. Not the ones at the start. It wouldn't matter if was all there was to it. But starting your career later is going to hurt your career. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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deathgod6
United States5064 Posts
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