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plated.rawr
Norway1675 Posts
Move to Norway indeed. I got my foreskin cut a couple years ago at a public clinic here, and the entire thing including my cab fare home cost me about 400nok, which equates to about 50 USD. Damn those socialist democracies, making life comfortable for its citizens! | ||
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Adeny
Norway1233 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On July 31 2009 11:28 Ingenol wrote: Not sure I'd say it's "one of the shittiest" but I definitely agree in its current incarnation it is a very poor system as our friend here is unfortunately finding out. Where I differ is that I would see it fixed by going to a completely privatized system (it's not even close to that now in any sense whatsoever, so don't take that tack) rather than completely nationalized. Missing the point btw. The problem isn't that its privatized or nationalized. The problem is the middlemen of the insurance companies. Their hundreds of thousands of employees is what's making everything cost so much. Eliminate the leeches = fixed. | ||
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NokCha
Korea (South)410 Posts
On July 31 2009 20:40 FirstProbe wrote: That's retarded, and you know it. How indecent are you. You sicken me. Health care is incredibly expensive to provide and nothing will change that. I doubt they've charged you more than they would any other case - however, its not fair that the cost hasn't been correctly conveyed to you. The estimate you got was probably the surgical fee. In a private system, that doesn't account for the pathology, anaesthesiology, and other hospital stay related bills. If you can imagine that the drugs and equipment alone cost several hundred dollars, let alone the anaesthetic fee, then you'll begin to appreciate the size of the bill you've gotten. I already have a receipt saying i paid $400 for the anesthesia and it says on the check receipt that it was for anesthesia(Its even in the name of the company). The anesthesia fee was included in the 1500 dollar total and the surgical fee itself cost me around 600 dollars. while the rest was the facility fee. I understand the cost for anesthesia but wtf -_-? 1100 dollars for a 5-15 minute operation? I already found out the doctor himself charged me full price when he told me that he gave me a discount because of my financial status. He said the fee was 600 dollars for the operation and that 600 dollars was a highly discounted price and he would normally never give such a discounted price. I called again under a anonymous number and asked the price for a standard circumcision and they told me it was 600 dollars. I'm not trying to be rude or ignorant but if i had known the operation was gonna cost another $1000, i would've definitely waited it out or changed my mind. I just feel really cheated -_-; | ||
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Mickey
United States2606 Posts
As someone stated before hand, they gave you an estimate, which probably didn't include lab fees/etc.. However, I do think you should of received fair warning of what you were actually going to pay. That's my problem with your situation. I mean you understood you had to pay out of your pocket, but the important thing you needed to know was the complete cost of your procedure including everything. If the doctor/staff told you that the initial bill was the COMPLETE cost then they are in the wrong. I understand where you are coming from, and I can totally relate that you feel cheated. If I was you I'd get legal representation, or maybe there's a non-profit group that takes cases like this. I really have no idea, but hopefully you get this mess sorted out. Also, what's with people bitching at this guy for supposedly "crying" over the bill? He's aggravated over the additional fees that were clearly not presented to him when he asked for the sum of the operation. Anyone one of us would be outraged if we were in his situation. This isn't about the state of health care, this is about an individuals right to be properly told what he's paying for and how much. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On July 31 2009 20:40 FirstProbe wrote: That's retarded, and you know it. How indecent are you. You sicken me. Health care is incredibly expensive to provide and nothing will change that. I doubt they've charged you more than they would any other case - however, its not fair that the cost hasn't been correctly conveyed to you. The estimate you got was probably the surgical fee. In a private system, that doesn't account for the pathology, anaesthesiology, and other hospital stay related bills. If you can imagine that the drugs and equipment alone cost several hundred dollars, let alone the anaesthetic fee, then you'll begin to appreciate the size of the bill you've gotten. How is that retarded? And how is it indecent? They are blatantly ripping him off, why is it retarded to take a course of action that gets them to back off? the doctors don't own the hospital | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 31 2009 11:04 Chef wrote: The only operation that is hard to get in a nationalized health care system is organ transplants. And those are hard to get in a privatized system too, although you can artificially bump yourself up the list. But if you break your arm or you need a circumcision or whatever, you'll be pretty happy with national health care. Lots of people I know who would be financially ruined if they'd had to pay for their healthcare. This myth that Nationalized Healthcare is free needs to be put to an end. It's not free. You pay in increased taxes. You pay more for an inferior system that can deny you based on artificial outliers such as Age, needs, how many on the list, etc. Why anyone would give any beaurocrats so much power over your life I have no idea. I repeat; nationalized healthcare is NOT free. You pay in massive increased taxes and then its still not even enough to pay for the system as evidenced by both Britain and Canada who are running massive shortfalls on their healthcare systems. Lastly, you may enjoy your system now, when you are young and in good health, but when you get older and waiting an extra month or two for an operation means life and death, or when they deny you because it costs 5,000$ to do the operation and the government deems you only living for another year so it doesn't pass the cost:benefit analysis and you don't get the treatment/surgery, etc. you sure won't be liking it then. Point is, be self-sufficient. Government is not benevolent. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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NokCha
Korea (South)410 Posts
On August 02 2009 06:39 CharlieMurphy wrote: wow, couldn't you get on some kind of low pro insurance to cover some of those costs? I've been rejected from 5 health insurance companies because my mom has too many health complications. Update: I called the company and they told me that i was "knocked out" for too long during the operation. Thats why they were charging me another 700 dollars. -_-? I'm so confused. They said the operation was supposed to take 1 hour but i was out for 2 hours. How the hell do i have any control over that :[. Is there anything i can do? Or am i screwed? I can't even pay for some of my college classes if this debt goes through. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On August 02 2009 11:46 ShinSa.NokCha wrote: I've been rejected from 5 health insurance companies because my mom has too many health complications. Update: I called the company and they told me that i was "knocked out" for too long during the operation. Thats why they were charging me another 700 dollars. -_-? I'm so confused. They said the operation was supposed to take 1 hour but i was out for 2 hours. How the hell do i have any control over that :[. Is there anything i can do? Or am i screwed? I can't even pay for some of my college classes if this debt goes through. Hospitals are notorious for negotiating prices and payments akin to buying a car. Simply put, you payed for the Anesthesia all ready, they can't double bill you. Don't pay it. You have the proof, they can't garnish your wages for the amount you owe. (Hospitals are known for reducing what you owe if you can't pay. That 700$ in a few months will be knocked down to 400, then a few months later 200, etc. In the end, don't pay.) Also, each person reacts differently to the Anesthesia some get knocked out longer than others. You don't pay for the amount of time, you pay for the amount used. Time is irrelevant. | ||
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Verilan
United States67 Posts
On August 02 2009 08:28 Aegraen wrote: This myth that Nationalized Healthcare is free needs to be put to an end. It's not free. You pay in increased taxes. You pay more for an inferior system that can deny you based on artificial outliers such as Age, needs, how many on the list, etc. Why anyone would give any beaurocrats so much power over your life I have no idea. I repeat; nationalized healthcare is NOT free. You pay in massive increased taxes and then its still not even enough to pay for the system as evidenced by both Britain and Canada who are running massive shortfalls on their healthcare systems. Lastly, you may enjoy your system now, when you are young and in good health, but when you get older and waiting an extra month or two for an operation means life and death, or when they deny you because it costs 5,000$ to do the operation and the government deems you only living for another year so it doesn't pass the cost:benefit analysis and you don't get the treatment/surgery, etc. you sure won't be liking it then. Point is, be self-sufficient. Government is not benevolent. Way to scarecrow it up there Aegraen. I don't think a single person before you in this thread touted nationalized healthcare as free, and I've never heard anyone argue for it as free. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On August 02 2009 12:14 Verilan wrote: Way to scarecrow it up there Aegraen. I don't think a single person before you in this thread touted nationalized healthcare as free, and I've never heard anyone argue for it as free. Really? That seems to be the rallying cry for the impoverished in this country who pay no taxes, or for the bottom 60% who only pay 1% of the tax burden. Also, read the post I responded to. It very much says "free" by implying. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On August 02 2009 11:52 Aegraen wrote: Hospitals are notorious for negotiating prices and payments akin to buying a car. Simply put, you payed for the Anesthesia all ready, they can't double bill you. Don't pay it. You have the proof, they can't garnish your wages for the amount you owe. (Hospitals are known for reducing what you owe if you can't pay. That 700$ in a few months will be knocked down to 400, then a few months later 200, etc. In the end, don't pay.) Also, each person reacts differently to the Anesthesia some get knocked out longer than others. You don't pay for the amount of time, you pay for the amount used. Time is irrelevant. I'm assuming the time of the anesthesiologist is being used to make sure you are recovering from it (it is a somewhat dangerous thing to be knocked out) and monitoring you as you come to. This is somewhat equivalent to a mechanic charging 30$ for an oil and filter change. This oil and filter cost like 7$ for them, and even if you do it yourself its gonna cost like 15$ at most. They charge for their labor obviously. Because Time is money. Regardless, that's bullshit. Don't pay it. What are they gonna do about? | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
your reason for not having any is complete bullshit | ||
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
But I think you should try to find out if you can get something done because of the huge discrepancy between estimate and the actual fees. | ||
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