EPT[GSL 2019] Super Tournament 2 - Day 3 - Page 15
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
On October 05 2019 22:49 lolfail9001 wrote: Any good series today? TY vs Parting, Game 2 Hero vs Classic, Game 3 probably | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23279 Posts
On October 05 2019 23:25 swarminfestor wrote: TY vs Parting, Game 2 Hero vs Classic, Game 3 probably I’m still not sure if that was actually a good game, I did enjoy it but I’m really not sure what the hell Parting was doing. Continuous gateway aggression off a bunch of bases, can see what he was thinking but he didn’t even upgrade his units particularly quickly, nor did he transition at all. Was definitely fun though | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On October 06 2019 00:23 Wombat_NI wrote: I’m still not sure if that was actually a good game, I did enjoy it but I’m really not sure what the hell Parting was doing. Continuous gateway aggression off a bunch of bases, can see what he was thinking but he didn’t even upgrade his units particularly quickly, nor did he transition at all. Was definitely fun though He wanted to brute force through with infinite lower tech units off of a huge economy. People from every race have done that against in different situations over the years. It was on the verge of working too, it's pretty wild that TY held on for so long. He lost his 4th base twice, had to give it up for free once. It looked like PartinG was going to strangle him. At some point it was 6 base vs 3 base and PartinG had better units (except for the banshees). That's pretty ridiculous to come back from with mech vs Protoss. Especially when you're stuck defending on your half of the map almost the entire time. PartinG should have transitioned earlier. He only started doing that when TY was about to take his 6th base. But it's kind of a tough call to make to transition when you feel like you're perpetually on the verge of maybe killing them. If TY hadn't done such a good job keeping the banshees alive through every fight PartinG's style would have worked for sure. | ||
Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2427 Posts
On October 06 2019 00:23 Wombat_NI wrote: I’m still not sure if that was actually a good game, I did enjoy it but I’m really not sure what the hell Parting was doing. Continuous gateway aggression off a bunch of bases, can see what he was thinking but he didn’t even upgrade his units particularly quickly, nor did he transition at all. Was definitely fun though Yeah, in term of the decision made by both players, I agreed that the game may not considered "good" after all. But, it was sure entertaining to see both players spare minutes fighting back and forth and losing their units comparably. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 06 2019 00:37 Elentos wrote: He wanted to brute force through with infinite lower tech units off of a huge economy. People from every race have done that against in different situations over the years. It was on the verge of working too, it's pretty wild that TY held on for so long. He lost his 4th base twice, had to give it up for free once. It looked like PartinG was going to strangle him. At some point it was 6 base vs 3 base and PartinG had better units (except for the banshees). That's pretty ridiculous to come back from with mech vs Protoss. Especially when you're stuck defending on your half of the map almost the entire time. PartinG should have transitioned earlier. He only started doing that when TY was about to take his 6th base. But it's kind of a tough call to make to transition when you feel like you're perpetually on the verge of maybe killing them. If TY hadn't done such a good job keeping the banshees alive through every fight PartinG's style would have worked for sure. I agree with wombat I usually dont like questioning the play of a SC2 legend, but while Parting's strategy was sound, his tactics were bad for a player of his caliber. While TY was on 4 bases, parting did not once attempt to send prisms into the 6 o clock base, or even thru the 6 o cluck base into the the main. He kept trying to brute force his way into the tank line. If you choose to go with the gateway flood you MUST incorporate warp prism harass. A turtle mech terran has all of it's insane power concentrated at one small point/region. The goal is to abuse this and attack other areas. Parting did none of that. Parting also built too many archons, aka the worst unit u can build against 200/200 mech. If parting simply built a 2nd warp prism he wouldve ended TY imo. I agree with you that even after that blunder, he did not transition fast enough. going phoenix vs mech at that point in the game is suicide | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
I'm sad Shine didn't show the resources/units lost near the end of the game because that must have been ridiculous. | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23279 Posts
On October 06 2019 00:37 Elentos wrote: He wanted to brute force through with infinite lower tech units off of a huge economy. People from every race have done that against in different situations over the years. It was on the verge of working too, it's pretty wild that TY held on for so long. He lost his 4th base twice, had to give it up for free once. It looked like PartinG was going to strangle him. At some point it was 6 base vs 3 base and PartinG had better units (except for the banshees). That's pretty ridiculous to come back from with mech vs Protoss. Especially when you're stuck defending on your half of the map almost the entire time. PartinG should have transitioned earlier. He only started doing that when TY was about to take his 6th base. But it's kind of a tough call to make to transition when you feel like you're perpetually on the verge of maybe killing them. If TY hadn't done such a good job keeping the banshees alive through every fight PartinG's style would have worked for sure. He was floating a lot of gas and dumping it in Archons. Even when he was sticking to pure gate aggression he could at least have got to 3/3 way faster. Not transitioning to other tech, questionable through our eyes but he did almost break TY a bunch of times, fair enough. Being behind in upgrades though just seems a massive oversight on his part. | ||
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On October 06 2019 03:15 Wombat_NI wrote: He was floating a lot of gas and dumping it in Archons. Even when he was sticking to pure gate aggression he could at least have got to 3/3 way faster. Not transitioning to other tech, questionable through our eyes but he did almost break TY a bunch of times, fair enough. Being behind in upgrades though just seems a massive oversight on his part. I guess he forgot about 3/3 or in some sort of adrenaline rush didn't think he needed it until it got too expensive. He was up in upgrades for the longest time after all. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23279 Posts
Either do that, or push at the front door with a bunch of 2/2 then 3/3 chronoed upgraded gateway units and trade more efficiently, or transition to higher tech. Parting just kept attacking with pure gateway that wasn’t even ahead in upgrades, but eventually fell behind in them. It made for a nailbiting game for sure, but only because Parting’s play was so lacking in any of these domains. Ok he’s on a bad streak but put Trap in Parting’s position and he just crushes TY, or Stats looking at his games against Maru’s mech. TY’s style was cool but, tbh just bad really. He couldn’t hold against prisms if they’d be employed, his composition wouldn’t be good against a Protoss who transitioned well to higher tech. He almost got broken anyway, despite all this. | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
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outscar
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Elentos
55456 Posts
On October 06 2019 03:22 Wombat_NI wrote: Also as Beserk said there was a real lack of prisms to try and pull TY apart too. Either do that, or push at the front door with a bunch of 2/2 then 3/3 chronoed upgraded gateway units and trade more efficiently, or transition to higher tech. Parting just kept attacking with pure gateway that wasn’t even ahead in upgrades, but eventually fell behind in them. It made for a nailbiting game for sure, but only because Parting’s play was so lacking in any of these domains. Ok he’s on a bad streak but put Trap in Parting’s position and he just crushes TY, or Stats looking at his games against Maru’s mech. TY’s style was cool but, tbh just bad really. He couldn’t hold against prisms if they’d be employed, his composition wouldn’t be good against a Protoss who transitioned well to higher tech. He almost got broken anyway, despite all this. PartinG was ahead minimum 1 upgrade on the ground units for over 15 minutes. Defending warp prism harass would have been easy, he had a dozen 2/2 speed banshees. Defending warp prism harass combined with a frontal assault would have been extremely hard. But that's true for whatever style of Terran you play. And yes, mech is absolute trash, that's why TY still almost lost on the only map that's somewhat okay for mech TvP. | ||
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