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Onegu
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Pandain
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Acrofales
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Chezinu, the veteran The claims: + Show Spoiler [preamble] + On March 10 2019 10:49 Chezinu wrote: Already did earlier. Seriously the brown claimed blue this game. It's like the end of the world or something. On March 10 2019 10:51 Chezinu wrote: Would be so funny if wiggle and vivax had bombs on thems. Up to this point, nobody really knew what to make of chez's claims, except FF, who picked it up, naturally, being the real hatter, as a truthful hatter claim. He sniffed out that this was a weird claim, and counterclaimed the shit out of it. What he didn't know was that chez was fake-claiming as the town veteran, and the moment he gets counterclaimed, instead of doubling down, he starts recanting, but only part of the claim: On March 10 2019 11:35 Chezinu wrote: I'm a veteran at this game. When I'm up for lynch, it forces me to play like never before. So, the mission town had in voting for me has been accomplished. I am playing now. Mad hatters's bombs don't go off when lynched.. only when killed at night. On March 11 2019 12:43 Chezinu wrote: I believe you are wrong about your Chezinu Role Claim. I know... he is hard to read. On March 10 2019 11:32 Chezinu wrote:  Getting lynched is lame. Everyone said they were going to shoot me... sigh... How am I supposed to use my abilities if I get lynched? Claims a role that requires getting shot at. On March 10 2019 15:51 Chezinu wrote: Come on.. think about it... if I was a mad hatter, wouldn't I be talking to ticktock all game? On March 11 2019 13:04 Chezinu wrote: Dear doctors and medics, Do not protect me. My death will lead to more information... That is only if I die at night. Ace is an amazing investigator. Caution: bombs can eliminate players that visit the player with the bomb when it goes off. On March 11 2019 13:11 Chezinu wrote: Oh yeah.. it doesn't kill visitors.. does it? That would be so cool!!! We really need to retry this end of the world game with more explosives! This is all... very weird if he's scum that just got counterclaimed. Scum that gets counterclaimed don't back down. They insist that there are 2 hatters in the game, that FF is lying or something else. They don't just kinda ignore the counterclaim. Not even chezinu. So why back down, but in such a weird way? Because he wanted scum to waste KP on him. Note, there are numerous references to veteran incongruently scattered around his filter, which may just be talking about TL veterans, veteran players, or be breadcrumbing his role. The biggest one is the one he quoted earlier, but there are more. Of course, it's chezinu the brown, he who speaketh in riddles, so good luck deciding if they're breadcrumbs or just weird use of language. But they exist. But the kicker is this: Chezinu knows he was never gonna get scumshot at night, so he claimed a role that scum does want to shoot. By claiming hatter, with bombs on probable townies, scum would totally shoot the shit out of him, and he'd soak up KP, exactly as he is intended to. His confusion about the role is because he never bothered to actually research hatters, and when counterclaimed kinda just dropped it. He was still playing at it halfheartedly during the night, but the big play he had imagined was already dead in the water. The next day, when he doesn't end up dead, he gives up and posts the true role claim. Could this all be an elaborate plot by a scum!Chezinu to save his bacon after his fakeclaim failed? Maybe, but nothing about his behaviour around the fakeclaim makes sense. He isn't calling FF out on it, he isn't imploring town that there are really two hatters, and he isn't pushing the matter at all. Scum doesn't just give up on fakeclaims. They insist, and wheedle. So chezinu is a veteran. Can there be two veterans and a medic in a 35player game? I'm inclined to say yes. Chezinu the black, or Chezinu the red: if he's an sk/survivor with a bulletproof vest, or a mafia veteran, claiming hatter and trying to get shot doesn't make sense. The whole mindset is to survive, and avoiding getting shot is still the safest way of doing that, not using your bulletproof vest to soak a bomb. Mafia makes even less sense, because why not just shoot FF, and if the bomb is on chezinu, he survives, and if it's on someone else in FF's list of scumspects, it's a 2-for-1. Ez pickings, and a far better shot than TT. So, Chezinu is green, not brown, and town may rejoice! The implications: The fact that scum didn't shoot FF, means they already figured this shit out. They knew Chezinu was town and didn't kill FF anyway. Why not? Because they had figured out that it wouldn't be a 2-for-1 because they got chezinu's breadcrumbs. So next best solution: leave both alive and push the lynch to be between them on D4. Guess who is really adamant about that? Onegu. Now, you say, nobody knew that, and it's obvious to lynch between the claim and the fake claim as a townie too. I grant you that, which makes everything Onegu has done today NAI (although I specifically went back to the start of the day to figure out who was taking the "easy way out" and focusing exclusively on the FF <> Chezinu situation, and one name really jumped out; guess whose). So lets make a list of everything Onegu has done this game: D1. Nothing D2. Nothing D3. Where it gets interesting. He starts with pushing Pandain after he dayvig's HF, because there is "no way town does that". In particular, look at this post: On March 09 2019 22:43 Onegu wrote: Not true at all. Would you have shot him if you had a day vigi? After the flips he was obv town. This just reeeeeeeeks of TMI. Note that this is from a guy who has not mentioned Palmar a single time in his filter, and has a grand total of two posts talking about HF. HF's alignment was definitely not obvious to me based on the flips, and even if you did think HF was town, did the N2 nightkills help you with that in the slightest. There is scum knowledge shining through in this post, in order to push for his lynch on Pandain. The rest of the day, he is waffling about Chez. He leaps onto the wagon when my role is misunderstood. Jumps off when I clarify, and leaps back on at the slightest opportunity. Has he ever explained the read? No. The only reason is the fakeclaim. Nothing else. Then we get: On March 11 2019 08:40 Onegu wrote: ONCE AGAIN TO HAMMER THIS HOME NO ONE GETS ANY TOWN CRED FROM THAT LYNCH. This is.... not good. Even if you believe scum didn't know sentinel was one of them, it was still good scumhunting to find sentinel. Even if you think the best you can credit the case with was scum-aligned-survivor, some people still look good for finding that. And Pandain looks best. Trying to remove that from the equation is anti-town play. Moreso, because he just doesn't want people townreading Pandain, who he still sees as lynchbait. On March 12 2019 18:41 Onegu wrote: I feels since day three I have been one of the more active players... Maybe I am wrong... In terms of activity, this may have been true (didn't check), but in terms of usefulness or transparency? Onegu has played his cards close to his chest. During D3 he posted about: pandain, and chezinu. That's it. Narrow focus. No scumhunting. Just latching onto these and trying to get them lynched. During N3 he kept up his laser focus on pandain and chezinu, and adds in muddying the waters around the sentinel lynch. That is it. There is no searching for the rest of the scumteam. No investigation. Nothing that townies do. This is not a town Onegu. This is a scum Onegu. KILL ONEGU FOR TOWN JUSTICE | ||
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Acrofales
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Onegu
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First point I still don’t see why mentioning Palmar means anything and no one has said why. Second HF did look better after the flips. Nor was I the only one to say he looked better. Again YAY we lynched scum. Sure took some scum hunting from town. But it also very much could have been scum pushing a VT Lynch off of scum chez as the chez and ace votes were close and they got a very easy switch to make sure they lynched what they thought was town. And how does me making the thread aware of the fact that scum shouldn’t know who sent is scummy. See my post above on how things should have went... Also I have changed my Pandain read since then yet you leave this out. And how would I see him as Lynchbait if I am scum? He was being hard town read by most of the thread... saying I would have thought of Pandain as Lynch bait is just false... Not sure how I haven’t been transparent or useful... I have posted all my thoughts on things I felt relevant. | ||
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Pandain
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My scum team right now is onegu slam mz rels. The fact three of them were pushing Chez also puts him into the town column. | ||
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Onegu
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On March 13 2019 20:59 Pandain wrote: Why did you peace out during the sentinel lynch? You posted in the hour before the deadline but never commented on it despite it being the most important thing at the time Honest answer. I had no real feelings on him and was playing a game. Game went longer than I thought. | ||
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Onegu
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Acrofales
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On March 09 2019 09:08 Ace wrote: Some of his reasons were good. He just happened to be your scum buddy :'( There was no "instant reading HF as town". He was maybe coming around here: On March 09 2019 09:28 Ace wrote: Wow. Ah well. All that fun trying to lynch HF is now down the drain. But I don't really see where he was giving a clear townread off of BC getting shot until after HF was shot as well. He afterwards claims he instantly read HF as town, but at the time he clearly didn't "instantly". As for SL, he's still in the game, but what I find in his filter is this: On March 09 2019 09:17 sicklucker wrote: Ok i sapose holyscum is town from night actions maybe. Let the fun begin Not very confident. And I myself was definitely not convinced BC wasn't just bussing HF, but I do admit, I wasn't looking for associations after the daypost, and only really started playing D3 the next morning after the dayvig did his thing. | ||
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Pandain
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You can say HF was more likely town after the flip; I agree in general but he still did a whole bunch of scummy shit the two days before. You saying after the flips that it was a foregone conclusion he is town. That is not the uncertainty of a townie; it's the certainty of a scum. | ||
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Onegu
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On March 10 2019 06:04 Acrofales wrote: Yeah, sure. I had a half-baked plan of making ppl think I had more bullets and got weird lists, to make scum RB and shoot me, but messed it up already and their RB is dead. I had 1 bullet and could shoot anyone who didn't vote it had less then 5 posts during the day. I whined to the hosts that I couldn't use it n1 as nobody met the requirements, but n2 it was more useful. Judging by the last post I should have shot the brown. I haven't gotten to why yet, tho :p Please make this more clear. During day 2 if someone didn’t vote and had less than 5 posts? Or could it have been just not vote or they voted but didn’t make 5 posts? Second did you have to keep track or did hosts send you a list? | ||
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Onegu
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On March 13 2019 21:20 Pandain wrote: The problem is you didn't just "Think" I was more scummy or even entertain the possibility that it could just be a bad shot. You said I was "confirmed scum" and that it was obvious. You can say HF was more likely town after the flip; I agree in general but he still did a whole bunch of scummy shit the two days before. You saying after the flips that it was a foregone conclusion he is town. That is not the uncertainty of a townie; it's the certainty of a scum. I usually deal in absolutes as town and tunnel hard. My mind doesn’t normally change once it makes up its mind. | ||
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Onegu
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Doesn’t really matter I stopped scum reading you already though. | ||
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Onegu
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On March 09 2019 13:50 Rels wrote: Yeah for the scum death! But there goes my town circle And lol @ 3 townies hard townreading HF + 1 scum hard pushing HF dying. HF is town and scum are trying to ML him again Here is another person btw. | ||
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ExO_
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Also hi, it turns out I'm not dead! | ||
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Onegu
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On March 13 2019 21:31 ExO_ wrote: ##vote onegu Also hi, it turns out I'm not dead! ?!?! | ||
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Pandain
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Onegu
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On March 13 2019 21:20 Onegu wrote: Please make this more clear. During day 2 if someone didn’t vote and had less than 5 posts? Or could it have been just not vote or they voted but didn’t make 5 posts? Second did you have to keep track or did hosts send you a list? Not really going to talk more until this is answered @acro | ||
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