HF: Moved off: Slam, BC Moved on: Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar: Moved off: Mocsta Moved on: Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, BC, Blazinghand
Seems obvious that BC didn't want dirty hands with a Palmar kill. And sentinel is obviously self-preservation. But I don't really know what to make of the rest.
From the general behaviour, my gut says that scum don't know sentinel is scum and aren't trying to protect him by voting HF. They also don't feel like getting their hands dirty lynching Palmar (as evidenced by BC jumping off) despite it being their most desirable outcome. So our best bet is to hunt for people who try to make Palmar look bad, but don't vote HF in D1.
There's probably 1 scum on the HF wagon (beside sentinel), but I don't get the feeling that they really tried here. This was town derping about, imho.
People who judiciously steered clear of both wagons: darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster, chezinu, onegu, rels
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote: K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.
Summary of the night:
##mayor Palmar
zzz
this is why the sent push is pointless
Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.
And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.
36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.
And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?
Though props for not being that guy at least.
People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.
Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.
Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
Oh... I was just going to pretend to think Palmar is townie cause I really think him going after Sent if a really mafia Palmar thing to do if Sent was mafia.
Best make the mafia think you don't know to much if you want to survive the night.
This is... pretty terrible. I missed it earlier, but Chezinu clearly doesn't care about who becomes mayor as he sits all by his lonesome on his own mayor wagon. And this is his "read" on Palmar. I am starting to warm up to the Chezinu lynch.
But I wasn't intending to fixate on Chez. Lets move on.
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
I don't think Vivax or TT are sketch but yea, there are some questionable names on that wagon.
Why isn't Palmar pushing for a Mocsta mayor lynch considering he grilled him for like 3 pages over stuff? I guess I can understand why not Conversion considering Conversion is a leading wagon, but the fact that Palmar has been around but hasn't backed off the Sentinel idea is bonkers.
We should be voting HF or Iamp as mayor imo
Throws shade. Does nothing. Also scum. This is too easy!
Oatsmaster Seems to avoid saying anything about Palmar directly, but not in a scummy way. He's reading the thread, he calls palmar out when he doesn't agree. I don't really see much either way here. Definitely not throwing shade like the above two.
Onegu Cntrl-f Palmar: 0 results. Uh oh.
Onegu hasn't quoted a post by Palmar. He has not talked to Palmar, and he has not talked about Palmar. Not once in this entire game. This also means he hasn't talked about the mayor kill by HF. Serious red flags going up here, as that is probably still the most momentous event in the game (maybe equalled by TW's vigi kill on BC and Pandain's dayvig, but still top 3).
Rels Doesn't mention reads on Palmar D1. But his D1 filter is like 7 posts or so, and half of those are fluff. Not mentioning Palmar doesn't seem like a big deal, as he doesn't mention most people. Still a bit suspect.
Conclusions:
DF, Chez and Onegu come away with quite a lot of egg on their face.
Man I wish I was scum because I am so fucking terrifying no one will read my filter
On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho.
Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person.
I still think FF is scum.
I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town.
[b]I have no idea how to read slam[/b{
TS could be scum.
Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims?
On March 12 2019 23:46 Onegu wrote: Also I found my post where I learned to read slam
No, my meta read is good on slam rsoultins is bad. Count how many times he has said chupazi, Svengali, or hijole this game(after day post) multiply by (5-day #) then subtract he post count (including pregame) if you are in the negative he is scum. In the positive he is town.
On March 13 2019 08:04 Vivax wrote: Okay so I just spent an hour reading the last 15-20 pages. I get why y'all are annoyed with me for low activity but that's just the way the cookie has crumbled.Don't expect cases cuz I'm on one handed mobile
I don't understand why everyone is shocked Ace got NK'd. I'm pretty sure he's some old
FULL STOP THIS IS TOO ANNOYING
So you're telling me you wrote this on a phone, one handed.
You put in spaces after the commas, you capitalize everything correctly. You even quote a goddamn post.
DF is lying guys. There is no human being on this earth patient enough to put up with all that shit one handed. Hell, I've tried retyping this on a computer with my right hand and by the time I stopped, 2:55 had passed.
If df actually did what he claimed to have done, then he'd probably have needed more time than that. And on top of it, he'd have gone insane by the time he finished.
Just try it out for yourself. Also bring a volunteer in to do it on mobile.
On March 13 2019 06:55 darthfoley wrote: Okay so I just spent an hour reading the last 15-20 pages. I get why y’all are annoyed with me for low activity but that’s just the way the cookie has crumbled. Don’t expect cases cuz I’m on one handed mobile
I don’t understand why everyone is shocked Ace got NK’d. I’m pretty sure he’s some old school legend and he had just beaten a lynch. Mafia was probably just afraid he’d come out guns blazing. TW was an obvious kill; TT I thought had been finally Town and doing the TT thing of being in his own bubble and pushing things that people didn’t interact with. Of any of them, he’s the guy I’d peg as dying for having correctly identified scum.
Definitely getting to the point where having vixax and Acro around w/ only one scum flipped on D4 is sus. I’m moreso sus of Acro because there was a lot of heat on him D1, he wiggles out of it, hasn’t really been scum read since, claimed blue and is still living. Compare that to Ace who survived one round of lynching and was immediately kaput. Plus he’s pushing me today instead of trying to figure out FF/Chez. I know that means nothing to you guys, but I’m easy lynch bait this far into the game (deservedly so). I still fail to see his issue with my handling of the mayor vote D1, but he tries to make that some coup de grace.
Part of me still thinks that we caught MZ warly day one and somehow talked ourselves out of it days later. He pulled out some ExO quote from his filter but misrepresented it for another easy lynch candidate. Also
On March 13 2019 03:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:40 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho.
Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person.
I still think FF is scum.
I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town.
I have no idea how to read slam
TS could be scum.
Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims?
This is the most shallow reasoning of me being scum ever. In a game where ONE scum has been lynched. I haven’t been active enough to push wagons, and even if I did I’m part of a town that has almost exclusively pushed town wagons. Acro and MZ pushing me with little substance besides, “he’s inactive!” when we have two mad hatter sort of claims and neither one got targeted last night is poo poo. Sure it might be OMGUS but it’s apparently the last TL mafia game so sue me.
I feel like I have no idea what Rels or Mocsta have posted about anything. Rels seems too cordial and Mocsta too sensitive. But tbf I haven’t read huge chunks of the game.
From my understanding of how the claims went down, plus what SL said, Chez is probably scum and should be lynched.
Oats and Grack feel unconstrained from mafia agenda and feel Town. FF is probably legit unless they really are on some last game 3D chess. L I think ExO is just a town like me who got overwhelmed and decided they didn’t care as much as they expected to; we had similar reactions to a few events in the game.
Onegu/Wiggles/TS/etc I haven’t read enough of them to know. If you put s rope around my neck and forced me to choose, wiggles RP feels authentic and townie, TS has been so far under the radar that he may have become the radar
On March 13 2019 11:15 LightningStrike wrote: Dear faithful host: What you think of Moscta's KP stuff from this page? Sincerely, LS
Your host is not sure exactly how we're supposed to be reading the spreadsheets that were provided by local accountant turned crime fighter, Mocsta. For the original analysis, we at the show will assume the simplest solution until evidence to the contrary surfaces:
Mafia have had what looks like 3 KP the last three cycles
Either the traitor didn't count for KP or the loss of one traitor + one mafioso wasn't enough to reduce KP (former seems more likely than latter)
The veteran was role-blocked on N1. It's possible another KP was involved, but there's no evidence of this (no claim, no unclaimed KP role flips) and we do have evidence that a RB existed (BC flip)
Given Mocsta's post (included for reference), this would be Option 2, Option 1, Option 1 for the nights.
On March 13 2019 11:29 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Given the ongoing Brown Bomber case, we at the Dead Zone Show have assembled a crack investigative team to look into some of the allegations surrounding Chezinu. After hours of research, interviews, and fact-checking, we have managed to put together the following piece of evidence which is sure to blow the case wide open once again:
On March 12 2019 08:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Day 4
I would include some flavor text here, but it got delayed.
Tumblewood the Town Delayed Vigilante has died. (Cannot shoot on first night. Single bullet.) Tictock the Vanilla Townie has died. Ace the Vanilla Townie has died.
You have 48 hours to determine the next lynch. The day ends on Wednesday, Mar 13 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
On March 12 2019 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote: My bomb was on chezinu for the record
For the less astute amongst you, we direct your attention towards the dates and times highlighted above in red. As we can clearly see, local demolitions expert Fecalfeast made his post regarding the placement of explosives under Chezinu's cardboard box over an hour after the daily news had been delivered. Therefore, the timeline positing that scum were able to see where Fecalfeast had decided to lay his bombs before deciding whether to shoot him is incorrect.
Overall, we are saddened by yet another lynch partially driven by incorrect facts. We recall when people were pushing for Chezinu's death last cycle based on the claim that a 'Lurker Vigilante' would need to have at least one scum in their list despite Acrofales having given a clear description of how the targets had been chosen. The fact that dearly departed Ace had latched on to that piece of misinformation shows that even the best amongst us can fall victim to not reading the danged thread.
Nobody thought or thinks I claimed before the night post but if I'm counterclaiming someone who do you think im putting my bomb on?
We would like to point out at least one person who explicitly thought that FF's target came out before the Day post:
On March 12 2019 22:16 sicklucker wrote: Great rels masoned the most easy to convince townie. Honestly does not say much about his alignment I would do it too. but FF didnt get shot last night so chez is confirmed mafia. I think I will jsut say this in every post untill he is dead
Why does FF not getting shot townconfirm him? Two possibilities:
1. He's mafia himself. 2. Mafia believes his claim and fears he has a bomb on one of them.
I still need to read FF's filter, but this mindless zerg onto Chez's wagon stinks. Chez looks bad. I agree. But this wagon looks awful.
But why would Mafia think FF would be lying about his bomb placement?
No. If mafia thinks FF is a townie hatter and has a bomb on a townie, he is dead. So the two reasons mafia don't shoot him are the ones above. In only one of those two is he town. So I don't see how FF living confirms him as town.
I guess add a 3rd: they just want to keep the wifom alive.
In my catchup post I laid out 4 scenarios. I agree, FF isn’t confirmed town. I think the most likely scenarios is he is, and Chezinu is mafia. I don’t think FF being town and mafia not shooting him because they think he lied about putting his bomb on Chezinu. There’s no reason for FF to lie about it as town and no reason for mafia to think he would be lying.
On March 12 2019 23:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm coming around to the idea of a chez lynch at the moment. The evidence is piling up against him and tubesock's post is quite convincing.
Mind you, I like the idea that ff, chez are both mafia. That would be fun.
I thought FF claimed the bomb during the night. That changes things quite a bit about the four scenarios. Have to look at who FF scummed. Maybe they were afraid one of them was the target and he was correct.
Given that information about Acro's role had to be repeated several times in thread by multiple people before it was no longer being used to push a Chezinu lynch, we do not consider attention to detail a strong suit of the members of our town, and there are likely more people who have made the same mistake.
As for the counter-claim angle, your host was under the impression that you would have put the bomb on your strongest scum read, especially given that the Chezinu claim seemed more likely to be trolling than a serious one. You said this yourself before the day post:
On March 11 2019 13:04 Chezinu wrote: Dear doctors and medics,
Do not protect me. My death will lead to more information... That is only if I die at night. Ace is an amazing investigator.
Caution: bombs can eliminate players that visit the player with the bomb when it goes off.
Wtf role si this?
On February 09 2010 16:02 Incognito wrote: Mad Hatter You may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove any number of them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them while the you are still alive you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night.
Oh yeah.. it doesn't kill visitors.. does it? That would be so cool!!!
We really need to retry this end of the world game with more explosives!
For the record this is not like my role at all and I'm pretty sire chez is trolling at this point
On March 11 2019 05:08 Pandain wrote: I guarantee if I was scum shooting HF would be the last thing I do. That man was literally lynch bait on fire.
no scum wanted him dead . your definitely suspect. nk's made him town if you thought about ti logically like many of us did. If you had read the thread you would have realized everyone who was scum reading him including me suddenly town read him. but you decided to shoot him very scummy. very anti town.
I decided not to kill you tho and I honestly cant remember why. Oh ya day vig for mafia is less likely then town day vig. your safe bub
sicklucker pandain scumteam lol
"It's super scummy for a couple reasons but since your role is more likely town IMO (in a game with weird random roles that said it was normal) you're safe..." Seems pretty dismissive
On March 11 2019 06:32 Tumblewood wrote: FF who have you bombed
It's only one person per night and I get the bomb back if i don't die so it's irrelevant but ok
N1 i put it on HF
N2 I put it on onegu but changed it closer to deadline to ace
So, if the bomb placement was based on your reads, it could have been on any of Ace, Onegu, Pandain, SL, LS, Acro, or Chezinu (who you did vote for the lynch). If scum were playing conservatively based on your reads, then any of those (besides Ace) could have been the deterrent to your untimely demise.
Lastly, there is this question that we missed before diving your filter:
On March 11 2019 06:47 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm just wondering how chezinu thought to claim mad hatter you know? Random claim for fun that awkwardly happened to have a counterclaim?
Though it shames us to admit it, the delusion of being a bomber was placed in Chezinu's head by none other than your hosts at the Dead Zone Show!
On March 10 2019 10:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: You said the same thing about Vivax apparently:
On March 06 2019 13:56 Chezinu wrote: I'm going with the I die you die tactic.
On March 06 2019 13:46 Chezinu wrote: Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax Vivax
It is great to have ammunition against the mafia so that they don't kill ya!!!
Is this about to turn into a hostage negotiation?
It appears to us that Chezinu read our worried question into his threats of violence and ran with it, adopting the moniker of the Brown Bomber and wreaking terror on the citizens of Liquidia. This is why we at least consider the claim to be bunk, since it came out after we put it in Chezinu's head, and the claim had many inconsistencies and things made up about it on the fly. That it resulted in a real blue claim was an unintended side-effect.
On March 13 2019 13:04 Mocsta wrote: The problem with the seal is.. everyone is 5-10 years older. Its not like there is memento value in all of this to behold and cherish.
I still want tubesock out for ego stroking purposes. but yeah, not really fussed between the two.
On March 12 2019 13:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Well folks, that's all the time we have for tonight's edition of the Dead Zone Show. Sweet dreams Liquidia. Remember to send in your fan mail and we'll be sure to read it out on air during the next show.
Our paths will cross again soon!
Dear Dead Zone Show:
I have found it strange that my inability to read anyone has caused me to go slowly from universal townreadedness (how would I say that? Oh from being generally regarded as townie) to a stronger and more universal scum read from my fellows. My alignment didn’t change; So I have to ask, is not the General methodology this town is using, somewhat of a failure? Can we agree on that? What then, is a reliable metric to use to find criminals, without as much risk of the costly error of assigning a sentence to the innocent?
Also, how can one who has found that spending the time to pick up a $100.00 bill would cost him more than he would make keeping it, prove innocence quickly and concisely?
I posit this is impossible, and ask that people read my filter. Is it so bad?
What is your take? Are the eyes of Svengali upon my filter?
I posit I lack the skill.
But
May this town Mowglify. Despite how our bagheeras are all deeply entranced (shot) mayhap we can push kaa
But I digress
Your host agrees that it has been hard to keep green friends for long in this violent period of upheaval. We all have some people that we can trust, or that our gut tells us are allies, but we can only rely on that so far.
At a certain point we have to delve in to the darker parts of our society, to expose the rank belly of corruption that underlies our fair town. It is important to differentiate between those who have dark intentions behind their words and violence in their hearts than those poor souls who are genuinely confused and lost amidst the turmoil.
We ourselves at the Dead Zone Show look for those who veil their intentions behind layers of misdirection, and who change conviction at the first sign of resistance or opportunity. These people often change their masks, but if you keep a close eye out you can sometimes glimpse the monster that lays beneath.
We must admit we have not paid the closest attention to your own writings, which is interesting as they prove quite long at 18 pages. Overall, you have not stuck out to us so far this game as a problem. Perhaps at a later time we'll do a more in-depth read, but for now consider yourself solidly null. Does this free you from the bonds of green and red that held you? Let our read fill you with determination to follow your own heart and root out scum wherever they live. We're looking forward to it.
EPT
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