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On March 12 2019 15:53 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 10:14 Rels wrote:On March 12 2019 09:13 Fecalfeast wrote: My bomb was on chezinu for the record probably why scum was afraid to kill you Thats acualy true. If mafia knows ff is town they kill him if chez is town because its a 2 for 1 shot. Of course ff puts the bomb on the guy claiming his role who wouldnt. Like the logic is so sound no one can dispute today is over not voting chez is a scum claim. Goodbye see you next cycle this ones already over
Wow this is fucking genius.
Vote chez
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On March 12 2019 18:55 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 18:49 Jockmcplop wrote:On March 12 2019 18:47 Onegu wrote:On March 12 2019 18:46 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2019 18:40 Onegu wrote:On March 12 2019 18:39 Acrofales wrote:On March 12 2019 18:37 Onegu wrote: I hate to say this.
Pandain looks a bit better after ace flipped green...
Is it possible he would move the wagon off of ace onto sent. Sure but not sure why he would... Only thing is chez was still I think even in votes when he made his case. But then to shoot ace... If he is scum that is a fucking next lvl play and I give props to him.
Here was my problem with pandain. Shooting HF so early in the day was like really bad for a townie. As town you want to balance getting as much info as possible vs giving town enough time to react. I think 24 hours into the day is the best option, not 5 minutes into the day. And after those NK HF looked alot more townie. I guess town can make a bad shot but meh. I will move pandain up to null/light town for now...
Chez has to flip today boys. We need to know his alignment. We need to know what that wagon looked like. No. We need to lunch scum. Maybe we need to lunch you, you sneaky lurker Im here... Not lurking... Insofar as I have seen, your main push on Chez came from misinterpreting my role. Me explaining how it worked ended with you still saying Chez is scum for non-definite reasons. Now I still have no fucking idea what the hell alignment the brown one is this game, but I really don't trust your intentions right now. Right now I think its really doubtful there are 2 mad hatters. Other then that I think he needs to flip for info on the wagons yesterday. If chez flips town what does that tell us about the wagons yesterday? It basically makes pandain confirmed town. Makes anyone on the chez wagon look bad. Pandain is already confirmed town. Chez wasn't the lynch target by EoD, town was slowly plodding its way to an Ace (TOWN) lynch. Which would probably have put us at l/mylo today. Instead, we lynched scum and have some good prospects for more scummers.
If you want to lynch people for their voting behaviour yesterday, here are your targets:
On March 11 2019 06:55 darthfoley wrote: #Vote: Ace
On March 11 2019 07:50 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote ace
And I'm not giving MZ a pass, because he jumped on sooo late and for such shitty reasons that it didn't matter anymore:
On March 11 2019 07:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ##unvote: wiggles Vote: Sentinel
Sicklucker just looked very very weird:
On March 11 2019 07:59 sicklucker wrote: ##unvote ##vote chezinu
Of these, I still think vivax is town, and SL looks like town doing his own weird shit. DF looks even worse than he did yesterday, and MZ doesn't look any better.
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GG WP Ace and TW. TT is a weird shot. Either attempted blue snipe or he must have been on to something.
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Acro you think it's possible there are two mad hatters? I have been going back and forth on the issue.
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Another big issue is I think FF is more likely than Chez, but my two biggest scum reads are both pushing chez. Either getting wifomed or I'm wrong somewhere. I need to look at NKs.
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2 mad hatters and 2 vigi are very much not very likely.
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On March 12 2019 19:23 Pandain wrote: GG WP Ace and TW. TT is a weird shot. Either attempted blue snipe or he must have been on to something.
Looking through ticktock's filter he doesn't really seem to be 'on to' much of anything. He was having an argument with mocsta but I don't really think that's indicative of anything. He mentions onegu but he's not really pushing it. I reckon it was an attempted blue snipe.
The ace NK is confusing to me. I would have thought he was getting lynched soon anyway.
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On March 12 2019 19:24 Pandain wrote: Acro you think it's possible there are two mad hatters? I have been going back and forth on the issue. I'm not sure. I'm not even sure chez is claiming hatter. He seems confused about it:
On March 10 2019 15:51 Chezinu wrote:Come on.. think about it... if I was a mad hatter, wouldn't I be talking to ticktock all game?
On March 11 2019 12:43 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 10:46 Ace wrote: As of now we have these claimed roles. If any of the information is wrong let me know.
1 Normal Vigilante (1 shot) - Tumbleweed 1 Lurker Vigilante (Can only target players that had less than 5 posts previous day) - Arcofales Mad Hatter with 1 bomb - Fecalfeast Mad Hatter - Chezinu Day Vigilante - Pandain
Known roles:
Marv = Cop Trfel = Doctor Palmar = Backup Cop iamperfection = Veteran BC = Scum Roleblocker
With a closed set up we don't know role numbers, but some things we can surmise. I've stated these concerns in earlier posts but I want to keep this stuff on people's minds.
Most of my thoughts come from how I see a balanced game. This is usually from the idea that Scum doesn't really need much power in their roles to destroy the town. When I see lots of high powered Town Roles I assume scum is compensated somehow.
With what we know right now the Town has a shit ton of KP even if it's 1 shot. We have 5 KP plus the lynch. This isn't really that outlandish on the surface because we started with 36 players. But if we're walking around with that much KP look at what's missing - we've had 1 Doctor flip, and 1 cop flip. The backup cop doesn't count as an investigation role because it does nothing until the cop flips. That means in addition to veteran we've seen 2 protective roles and ONE active investigation role included with 8? total KP, 3 of which are guaranteed to hit Town and come with a role blocker.
No one has come out with any information on night investigations. I highly doubt we only had one information role so someone is holding onto something. This again gives the Town massive power vs the only known Scum role of RB.
So I just don't buy all of these claims.
Pandain's Day Vigi claim seems credible to me. Scum having a Day Vigi when they already have 3 KP doesn't match with what we know so far. I'm supposing mods know about the self-confirmation power of normal vigilantes and how shooting during the day boosts that even more.
TW hasn't been counter claimed on the BC shot. Almost confirmed town.
FF and Chez's claims can't be confirmed w/o rolecop or death lol. Both of them being hatters and Town is just wtf. But luckily these claims coincide with the problem role imo: Acro's lurker vigilante.
I've never seen this role afaik remember. When I first saw it I was like oh shit what a great concept! But then I kept thinking about it and it just doesn't seem to fit at face value. Remember, one of the issues with vigilantes is they are Town aligned but their KP can also hit Town. MAfia doesn't have this issue as they know their teammates and their KP will always hit Town.
So Acro is a Town aligned vigilante and gets to shoot people based on lurking conditions. First, the mods would have to know the issue that comes up if only Town satisfies that condition. You'd have a town aligned vigilante becoming completely anti-Town and killing teammates. Sure, they may want to give players control of dealing with lurkers and we can look at Acro as a mod tool. But, post count isn't a sub for post quality. They'd quickly realize that a potentially valuable pro-Town player would be screwed. However, this isn't the only problem with the role for me.
Damdred + Chezinu + Pandain. Those were his choices Night 2. I highly, highly doubt if this role is true it would drop only Town players into his cross hairs. It would be a strictly anti-town role and we would have to lynch him anyway unless you believe he only has 1 shot. If his role is true Acro should have thought hard about some of this and immediately railroaded Chez or Pandain. And if Pandain is town confirmed day vigilante, this means Chezinu has to be scum. Anyone believing Acro's claim should want Chezinu lynched soon.
Let's see how the night plays out and who comes out with a claim tomorrow.
I believe you are wrong about your Chezinu Role Claim. I know... he is hard to read.
On March 11 2019 13:07 Chezinu wrote: hmm...
Is it too late to role claim that I'm a Bank?
On March 11 2019 13:11 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 13:07 Mocsta wrote:On March 11 2019 13:04 Chezinu wrote: Dear doctors and medics,
Do not protect me. My death will lead to more information... That is only if I die at night. Ace is an amazing investigator.
Caution: bombs can eliminate players that visit the player with the bomb when it goes off. Wtf role si this? Show nested quote +On March 11 2019 13:04 Chezinu wrote: Dear doctors and medics,
Do not protect me. My death will lead to more information... That is only if I die at night. Ace is an amazing investigator.
Caution: bombs can eliminate players that visit the player with the bomb when it goes off. Show nested quote +On February 09 2010 16:02 Incognito wrote: Mad Hatter You may lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 2). If you are killed you will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives, paramedics, or bodyguards). You may remove any number of them from players at any time during the night to get them back, but if a player is lynched with one on them while the you are still alive you lose that bomb for good. Bombs are refunded if the target is killed during the night.
Oh yeah.. it doesn't kill visitors.. does it? That would be so cool!!! We really need to retry this end of the world game with more explosives!
None of this makes any sense. And I am averse to just lynching chez for not making sense, because it isn't *scummy* to not make sense. It's just... nonsensical.
Like. What possible reason does chez have to claim mad hatter as scum? He was under pressure, and I guess it was a claim people might believe, and especially had low chance of being counterclaimed (hatter isn't a very common role here). But then why claim some kind of bizarro hatter where he doesn't even know how it works. Chez has been around long enough to put together a believable claim, and this really wasn't it.
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On March 12 2019 19:37 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 19:23 Pandain wrote: GG WP Ace and TW. TT is a weird shot. Either attempted blue snipe or he must have been on to something. Looking through ticktock's filter he doesn't really seem to be 'on to' much of anything. He was having an argument with mocsta but I don't really think that's indicative of anything. He mentions onegu but he's not really pushing it. I reckon it was an attempted blue snipe. The ace NK is confusing to me. I would have thought he was getting lynched soon anyway.
If he was town it was only a matter of time. I said it before but if he ever lived to day four he needed to be lynched ASAP.
@acro I agree it's nonsensical and he's backtracking now but it also 100% seemed like a serious claim in the beginning.
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Ok, read tubesock.
The earlygame town reads are still there:
On March 02 2019 16:59 Tubesock wrote: I like Chez because he’s entertaining.
I would love for a couple things in this game to be true. We RNG lynch Blazinghand, and that Chezinu hasn’t played with LightningStrike and falls to the rule of LS. Although that’s just the troll in me. I think Chez and LS are townie. This entry to the thread oozes town to me. He looks really bubbly. I know, scum can also be happy to be playing an awesome game of mafia, but this feels like town to me.
On March 03 2019 04:41 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 04:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:25 Tubesock wrote:On March 03 2019 04:20 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 03 2019 04:05 Tubesock wrote: There isn’t anyone I want to lynch.
If I were mayor I’d sheep Holyflare most likely for the 2nd lynch. I'm thinking I'd like to lynch you! Or are you making this guy mayor, Ace? That’s fair. I can vote HF for mayor sure. I don’t see how you could get me wanting Ace mayor out of what I said. You were one of the two names Ace threw out to make someone non-contributing mayor. Figure you're reading closely enough to say what you'd do as mayor, which no one else had mentioned but Ace, but still don't want to put forward an opinion about anyone. Reads scummy to me. When I have a lynch target I’ll let everyone one know. Do you want an opinion from me? Am I and Conversion your only scumreads? Who do you want for mayor and why? This response to pressure seems very natural. Just a "let me do my thing", not getting nervous about it. Never played with tubesock before, but the "just back off mate and I'll do my scumhunting" is generally a pretty townie response to pressure.
Minor red flag here:
On March 03 2019 18:33 Tubesock wrote:Why not RNG Palmar? I know you can rig that shit. I don't get the impression that he thinks Palmar is scum (or town. he hasn't really made up his mind either way at this point, I don't think). He mainly thinks it'd be fun to kill Palmar. However, killing town!Palmar is apparently a hobby for some here (see HF), and TS was proposing this before it was the cool thing to do.
On March 03 2019 18:47 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2019 18:35 Holyflare wrote:On March 03 2019 18:30 Tubesock wrote:On March 02 2019 20:33 Holyflare wrote: If anyone cares my reads align with rsoul. I think. Chez suspicious. Guy posting catch ups was it trfel? Seemed mediocre and not any revelations. Iamp piggybacking me suspicious. Don't care if I like what he's said about people non-posting. That's easy to do.
Didn't like rayn that much tbh. He seems to not be saying much but talking in walls of text and circles.
I dunno I'm sorry I'm a bit shit right now but whatever. On March 03 2019 04:20 Holyflare wrote: Don't really get any of the rayn town reads. He's a complete non entity. Not really a case but you did scumread him. Wouldn't say that's a scum read. If anything it's the scummy side of null and was more an extrapolation of everyone else's mindsets on rayn than a read on him. I just didn't agree with people town reading rayn and didn't understand how they reached that conclusion when he's mediocre af. Ok. If Oats didn’t hilariously get your filter incorrect, or at least say all your posts were serious, would you think he’s any different than his normal grouchy mcgroucherson town self? To me his entrance where every single person in the game is scum is normal town for him. Last I saw him as scum (years ago I know) he threw out maybe 4 scumreads and was a little less abrasive. Much less wave making than this game. This post might have some TMI. I know I didn't like Oats calling over half the game scum with no backup reasoning. Or he might just have a long history of playing with Oats and meta read him off that.
@Oats: what do you think here? Levelheaded townie with a meta read on you? Or scum buddying you here?
D2 onwards: Tube kinda just stops playing.
On March 08 2019 03:32 Tubesock wrote: I don’t see a world we can swap off BH to kill much more likely mafia and not have HF get lynched.
I have two hours of useful consciousness, so if there’s any ideas I’m game. Votes BH for damage control. This is the problem with forcing people onto just two wagons: tube is talking about wanting to lynch Ace or me (two more townies, btw), but doesn't dare take his vote off BH or do much of anything. Is this scum just being lacadaisical because it's two town wagons? Or is it a townie scared that his main townread is gonna get wrecked? I can't tell.
And he hasn't posted for 4 days. How are we supposed to read that? I'm inclined to leave him to get modkilled or start playing again.
Don't think it's a good lynch at all.
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Wait you guys think we have 2 cops, a vet, a doc, 3 vigi, 2 mad hatter?
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Seems like way to much blue...
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Tumble, acro, and paindain all vigi? Thats alot of shots for town to fuck themselves... Like imagine if all are town and tumble missed?
I think there is a scum in there...
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Me and Rels been talking in the QT and concluding that MZ is very likely Mafia based on the night kills. WoS scumread him Tina needed a closer look on him Rayn was scumreading him? (Don't know if he changed his read or kept the read after he said MZ is possible scum) Marv didn't say much on him Koshi was townreading him Iamp ??????? TT: Lynch into MZ and Wiggles Ace: ?????? Plus Rels been scumreading him and I agree with him on that front he’s very likely to flip scum for us. ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
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On March 12 2019 21:34 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Rels been talking in the QT and concluding that MZ is very likely Mafia based on the night kills. WoS scumread him Tina needed a closer look on him Rayn was scumreading him? (Don't know if he changed his read or kept the read after he said MZ is possible scum) Marv didn't say much on him Koshi was townreading him Iamp ??????? TT: Lynch into MZ and Wiggles Ace: ?????? Plus Rels been scumreading him and I agree with him on that front he’s very likely to flip scum for us. ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh Why is rels town?
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On March 12 2019 21:34 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Rels been talking in the QT and concluding that MZ is very likely Mafia based on the night kills. WoS scumread him Tina needed a closer look on him Rayn was scumreading him? (Don't know if he changed his read or kept the read after he said MZ is possible scum) Marv didn't say much on him Koshi was townreading him Iamp ??????? TT: Lynch into MZ and Wiggles Ace: ?????? Plus Rels been scumreading him and I agree with him on that front he’s very likely to flip scum for us. ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
I downgraded MZ from scum to null but it might be worth a third look.
None of this is really conclusive though.
From these night kills there's 2 definite scumreads and one maybe but you can probably find those stats with pretty much any of the remaining players.
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On March 12 2019 21:28 Onegu wrote: Tumble, acro, and paindain all vigi? Thats alot of shots for town to fuck themselves... Like imagine if all are town and tumble missed?
I think there is a scum in there... I don't.
The hatter claims maybe. Still gotta sort out chez vs FF claims. But the vigis seem sorted out.
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Anyways I will go back to bed for a bit since I am tired. I will answer Wiggles post when I am fully awake!
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why is there not 30 votes on chez yet. ff or chez are scum
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On March 12 2019 19:24 Pandain wrote: Acro you think it's possible there are two mad hatters? I have been going back and forth on the issue.
not two town mad hatters no. because mafia would have killed one of them because they placed bombs on each other. very simple stuff honestly get with the program people
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