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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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sicklucker
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Acrofales
Spain18136 Posts
On March 12 2019 22:16 sicklucker wrote: Great rels masoned the most easy to convince townie. Honestly does not say much about his alignment I would do it too. but FF didnt get shot last night so chez is confirmed mafia. I think I will jsut say this in every post untill he is dead Why does FF not getting shot townconfirm him? Two possibilities: 1. He's mafia himself. 2. Mafia believes his claim and fears he has a bomb on one of them. I still need to read FF's filter, but this mindless zerg onto Chez's wagon stinks. Chez looks bad. I agree. But this wagon looks awful. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Sicklucker -he picked up why Chez is scum and FF is town Fecalfeast - bombing Chez is brilliant. I believe his claim and he’s the only hatter. Onegu - feels plus I like his mechanical analysis LightningStrike - Trust of the dead, too active for mafia LS Vivax - he’s alive because he’s useful for mafia, he does not promote town circles. Alakaslam- feels. I used to study Slam. This isn’t like any Slam I’ve ever seen. But feels. Grackaroni - he had a few posts I thought were spot on. Mocsta - probably should be null. Hmm Jockmcplop Meapak_ziph Mr. Wiggles - I think he could be town BUT OMGUS, he half assed went after LS (LS rule), and most the dead wanted his lynch. Including Ticktock. Darthfoley - POE mostly Rels- mafia need a mason to find Traitor, Rsoultin said scum with good reason, and Ticktock, plus I think 8 blues is a bit much. Pandain- I’ll never believe that a town day vig would make this post + Show Spoiler [call 4 HF vig] + On March 08 2019 18:43 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day. I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day. HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points. 1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason? 2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position. However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle. I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch. Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four. Oatsmaster- He townread then scumread Mr. Wiggles before this exchange + Show Spoiler [The Tube Trap] + On March 08 2019 04:42 Tubesock wrote: I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts: Then Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it. Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!! This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia. Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu. I haven’t had internet since Thursday. Apologies. This Thursday and Friday I probably won’t have it again. There were technical difficulties at work. I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On March 12 2019 22:20 Acrofales wrote: Why does FF not getting shot townconfirm him? Two possibilities: 1. He's mafia himself. 2. Mafia believes his claim and fears he has a bomb on one of them. I still need to read FF's filter, but this mindless zerg onto Chez's wagon stinks. Chez looks bad. I agree. But this wagon looks awful. But why would Mafia think FF would be lying about his bomb placement? | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
But why does he move the lynch off of Ace if scum? I guess next lvl plays but meh. He isnt getting lynched today so I will just ignore him for today. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18136 Posts
On March 12 2019 23:05 Tubesock wrote: But why would Mafia think FF would be lying about his bomb placement? No. If mafia thinks FF is a townie hatter and has a bomb on a townie, he is dead. So the two reasons mafia don't shoot him are the ones above. In only one of those two is he town. So I don't see how FF living confirms him as town. I guess add a 3rd: they just want to keep the wifom alive. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On March 12 2019 23:17 Acrofales wrote: No. If mafia thinks FF is a townie hatter and has a bomb on a townie, he is dead. So the two reasons mafia don't shoot him are the ones above. In only one of those two is he town. So I don't see how FF living confirms him as town. I guess add a 3rd: they just want to keep the wifom alive. In my catchup post I laid out 4 scenarios. I agree, FF isn’t confirmed town. I think the most likely scenarios is he is, and Chezinu is mafia. I don’t think FF being town and mafia not shooting him because they think he lied about putting his bomb on Chezinu. There’s no reason for FF to lie about it as town and no reason for mafia to think he would be lying. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18136 Posts
On March 12 2019 23:24 Tubesock wrote: In my catchup post I laid out 4 scenarios. I agree, FF isn’t confirmed town. I think the most likely scenarios is he is, and Chezinu is mafia. I don’t think FF being town and mafia not shooting him because they think he lied about putting his bomb on Chezinu. There’s no reason for FF to lie about it as town and no reason for mafia to think he would be lying. He only claimed the bomb post-flip tho. But I agree with you that it's the obvious play. I'm also trying to make sense of chezinu at all. His whole play since the start of D3 has been a blue-claim and then 100% defense. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On March 12 2019 23:07 Onegu wrote: I dont think I have ever played with pandain. I was scum reading him. But why does he move the lynch off of Ace if scum? I guess next lvl plays but meh. He isnt getting lynched today so I will just ignore him for today. He wouldn’t have known if Sentinel was mafia, so if Pandain was mafia he probably just thought he was starting a new wagon on a scummy looking towny. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9746 Posts
Mind you, I like the idea that ff, chez are both mafia. That would be fun. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18136 Posts
FF's scumlist (other than chezinu) was: 1. Ace 2. Me 3. LS Ace flipped town. I'm town, and LS is very likely town. So if FF is town and chez is town, they had to have a VERY good reason for wanting to kill TT to not take out 2 townies by shooting FF. But FF could very well be mafia doing some bizarre 1:1 play. I've seen it done before. Most notably, Risen in Chrono trigger mafia completely randomly claimed parity cop on me and a townie (I was 3P), giving rise to the most bizarre part of that game (well, other than the scum resurrection at the end). Although at least parity cop is a 2:1 if you play your cards right. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On March 12 2019 23:31 Tubesock wrote: He wouldn’t have known if Sentinel was mafia, so if Pandain was mafia he probably just thought he was starting a new wagon on a scummy looking towny. But why go through the work if you are scum? Seems really easy to let ace die. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18136 Posts
On March 12 2019 23:31 Tubesock wrote: He wouldn’t have known if Sentinel was mafia, so if Pandain was mafia he probably just thought he was starting a new wagon on a scummy looking towny. But why would he go to the trouble? | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
No, my meta read is good on slam rsoultins is bad. Count how many times he has said chupazi, Svengali, or hijole this game(after day post) multiply by (5-day #) then subtract he post count (including pregame) if you are in the negative he is scum. In the positive he is town.[/QUOTE] | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On March 12 2019 23:39 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm coming around to the idea of a chez lynch at the moment. The evidence is piling up against him and tubesock's post is quite convincing. Mind you, I like the idea that ff, chez are both mafia. That would be fun. I thought FF claimed the bomb during the night. That changes things quite a bit about the four scenarios. Have to look at who FF scummed. Maybe they were afraid one of them was the target and he was correct. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On March 12 2019 23:46 Onegu wrote: Also I found my post where I learned to read slam No, my meta read is good on slam rsoultins is bad. Count how many times he has said chupazi, Svengali, or hijole this game(after day post) multiply by (5-day #) then subtract he post count (including pregame) if you are in the negative he is scum. In the positive he is town. Hijole sson (you forgot sson) you see not with the eyes of CHUPAZI, forsooth this can be gamed so easily and would give me the power of Svengali over everyone The blessing of the eyes causes people to trust in the Wisdom of the Crowds which distrusts this condition | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On March 12 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote: That said, unless we have other reasons for believing chezinu is scum (and I'm not saying there aren't: his filter is all RP and there were town voices at the start of the game calling him out that there was something off about his RP), I'm not sure we're not in the scenario where FF is scum and chez is town. I'm quite sure we're not in the scenario where both are town. FF's scumlist (other than chezinu) was: 1. Ace 2. Me 3. LS Ace flipped town. I'm town, and LS is very likely town. So if FF is town and chez is town, they had to have a VERY good reason for wanting to kill TT to not take out 2 townies by shooting FF. But FF could very well be mafia doing some bizarre 1:1 play. I've seen it done before. Most notably, Risen in Chrono trigger mafia completely randomly claimed parity cop on me and a townie (I was 3P), giving rise to the most bizarre part of that game (well, other than the scum resurrection at the end). Although at least parity cop is a 2:1 if you play your cards right. Hmmm. That’s a pretty small pool. I’m still stuck on if FF is town then 1 or more of those four are mafia, and Chezinu is the most likely out of them. It does make him being more likely scum than when I thought he claimed the bomb before nightfall. I’m not sold on the 1 for 1 trade but I absolutely believe people do it. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18136 Posts
On March 13 2019 00:01 Alakaslam wrote: Hijole sson (you forgot sson) you see not with the eyes of CHUPAZI, forsooth this can be gamed so easily and would give me the power of Svengali over everyone The blessing of the eyes causes people to trust in the Wisdom of the Crowds which distrusts this condition This post doesn't count. It's like how chezinu's "seal of townieness" only works as long as people are willing to believe he won't fuck over his own town meta for a single (last) game as scum. The moment you are super self-aware of your "meta" tells, you try to copy them as scum. The reason the "seal of townieness" worked was because people were willing to fuck over their team, and just get lynched in any game they were scum, in order to be able to use their "confirmed town" meta play when town. It was, of course, a total cop-out and not quite sure what the site rules said about such play, but it only works if you never post it as scum, and it definitely shouldn't be believable in this "last game". | ||
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