On March 12 2019 23:46 Onegu wrote: Also I found my post where I learned to read slam
No, my meta read is good on slam rsoultins is bad. Count how many times he has said chupazi, Svengali, or hijole this game(after day post) multiply by (5-day #) then subtract he post count (including pregame) if you are in the negative he is scum. In the positive he is town.
Hijole sson (you forgot sson) you see not with the eyes of CHUPAZI, forsooth this can be gamed so easily and would give me the power of Svengali over everyone
The blessing of the eyes causes people to trust in the Wisdom of the Crowds which distrusts this condition
This post doesn't count.
It's like how chezinu's "seal of townieness" only works as long as people are willing to believe he won't fuck over his own town meta for a single (last) game as scum.
The moment you are super self-aware of your "meta" tells, you try to copy them as scum.
The reason the "seal of townieness" worked was because people were willing to fuck over their team, and just get lynched in any game they were scum, in order to be able to use their "confirmed town" meta play when town. It was, of course, a total cop-out and not quite sure what the site rules said about such play, but it only works if you never post it as scum, and it definitely shouldn't be believable in this "last game".
On March 12 2019 21:34 LightningStrike wrote: Me and Rels been talking in the QT and concluding that MZ is very likely Mafia based on the night kills. WoS scumread him Tina needed a closer look on him Rayn was scumreading him? (Don't know if he changed his read or kept the read after he said MZ is possible scum) Marv didn't say much on him Koshi was townreading him Iamp ??????? TT: Lynch into MZ and Wiggles Ace: ?????? Plus Rels been scumreading him and I agree with him on that front he’s very likely to flip scum for us. ##Unvote ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
Why is rels town?
Out of all the players he choose me to get the qt. If he was scum he should of went for someone who seriously thinks is a traitor or a town leader. I trusting my early read on rels as well which I did he have him town day 1. As scum he also loves to buddy up with town leaders and he not really doing that given that he gave me the qt.
On March 12 2019 13:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Faithful listener LS said the following in an interview earlier today:
On March 12 2019 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Can we talk about vivax? He should be 100% gone by now also 1000% gone.
I wanna say the ace kill means that scum knew that sent was mafia
The bolded is likely true.
We here at the Dead Zone Show would like to reach out to LightningStrike and Oatsmaster for comment. Could you please expand on this point for our fine citizens listening at home?
We believe the question of whether scum knew about Sentinel's treacherous qualities is relevant to the case of the mysterious drifter known as Onegu.
After the Sentinel lynch Onegu was quick to come in and passionately throw around the idea that scum had no idea who Sentinel was. We don't know how they could be so sure of that fact. Wouldn't only scum know for certain?
As scum that could be a misdirection play to keep town from focusing more on the other D3 wagons.
We eagerly await your response.
Mainly because of mechanical play: If scum didn't know who the traitor was they wouldn't of shot Ace 99% of the time. Ace was lynchable which makes him a bad kill and especially because of his flip we were given what was the wagons for Day 3 outside of Chez. Side note: Rels in the qt did say that both MZ and Chez are almost certainty are scum but Chez did his tell for me unless he decides to break it in this game.
On March 12 2019 23:00 Tubesock wrote: Acrofales - confirmed Sicklucker -he picked up why Chez is scum and FF is town Fecalfeast - bombing Chez is brilliant. I believe his claim and he’s the only hatter. Onegu - feels plus I like his mechanical analysis LightningStrike - Trust of the dead, too active for mafia LS Vivax - he’s alive because he’s useful for mafia, he does not promote town circles. Alakaslam- feels. I used to study Slam. This isn’t like any Slam I’ve ever seen. But feels. Grackaroni - he had a few posts I thought were spot on. Mocsta - probably should be null. Hmm
Jockmcplop Meapak_ziph Mr. Wiggles - I think he could be town BUT OMGUS, he half assed went after LS (LS rule), and most the dead wanted his lynch. Including Ticktock. Darthfoley - POE mostly Rels- mafia need a mason to find Traitor, Rsoultin said scum with good reason, and Ticktock, plus I think 8 blues is a bit much. Pandain- I’ll never believe that a town day vig would make this post + Show Spoiler [call 4 HF vig] +
On March 08 2019 18:43 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day.
I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day.
HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points.
1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason?
2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position.
However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle.
I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch.
Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four.
It’s so incredibly overexplainy for someone who is going to shoot Holyflare.
On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts:
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it.
Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!!
This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia.
Oatsmaster, who waffles on Mr. Wiggles, immediately takes Wiggles word without hesitation or investigating the truthfulness of either mine or Wiggles filter and says I’m scum. This of course was based on a flat lie that Oatsmaster didn’t bother at all to investigate. He shouldn’t have trusted Wiggles word as he didn’t show any indication that he strongly townread Wiggles. A town always distrusts, and when I confronted Oats, he was just “oh I’m wrong, whoops” and then just did whatever he was doing. I would think town would question Wiggles a bit after that. Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu. I haven’t had internet since Thursday. Apologies. This Thursday and Friday I probably won’t have it again. There were technical difficulties at work.
I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours.
Decided to take a look at Insane Mafia 1 and 2 and there were a bunch blues in each game. But we have some Vanilla's here compared to either one of those games. Hmmm
On March 12 2019 23:00 Tubesock wrote: Acrofales - confirmed Sicklucker -he picked up why Chez is scum and FF is town Fecalfeast - bombing Chez is brilliant. I believe his claim and he’s the only hatter. Onegu - feels plus I like his mechanical analysis LightningStrike - Trust of the dead, too active for mafia LS Vivax - he’s alive because he’s useful for mafia, he does not promote town circles. Alakaslam- feels. I used to study Slam. This isn’t like any Slam I’ve ever seen. But feels. Grackaroni - he had a few posts I thought were spot on. Mocsta - probably should be null. Hmm
Jockmcplop Meapak_ziph Mr. Wiggles - I think he could be town BUT OMGUS, he half assed went after LS (LS rule), and most the dead wanted his lynch. Including Ticktock. Darthfoley - POE mostly Rels- mafia need a mason to find Traitor, Rsoultin said scum with good reason, and Ticktock, plus I think 8 blues is a bit much. Pandain- I’ll never believe that a town day vig would make this post + Show Spoiler [call 4 HF vig] +
On March 08 2019 18:43 Pandain wrote: Hey everyone. For those who don't know me, I'm pretty sure it's pretty obvious to tell when I'm town or not when I'm actually playing. Expect to see a hell of a lot more activity, and actually I was pretty up to date with the whole part of day 2 when I asked Kita to replace after I saw AMG was similarly overwhelmed like me the first day.
I won't dwell on the past too much, but Holyflare 100% needs to be vigi'd tonight. It was remarkable watching the last day.
HF talk has already spammed the thread and later tonight I'm going to be looking into others, but I want to emphasize two points.
1. Fake claimed for no town reason . I don't care about fake claims in general ,I used to do it all the time. However, when Town does it it's because they have a reason to (and holyflare already established he did not just do it for the "Lolz".) There was no reason to fake-claim, and honestly I'm not sure about how it benefits mafia but it sure as hell makes no sense from a town perspective. Also can we just kill people who outright lie for no reason?
2. Furthermore, HF dying gives a huge amount of information. If he's mafia, I actually think we can start wrapping up the game because HF has been at the center of the thread and voting thread for both days. If he actually does just turn out to be a balls-out crazy town, I think it's very safe to say a good amount of mafia probably voted for him after he made his intentions clear to vote Palmar. Either way, town is in a good position.
However, I am pleading for a vigilante to end the job. The information best helps us if we know it at the start of the day cycle.
I'm actually not even certain I would support a Holyflare day 3 lynch.
Also just FYI BC and Ace need to die with fire if either of them live to day four.
It’s so incredibly overexplainy for someone who is going to shoot Holyflare.
On March 08 2019 04:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Mafia boi
If wriggles does the same thing as you in that his case on you can be applied to him, and you are town, doesn’t that mean he’s also town? How does it mean he’s mafia
I never scumread him. So, it’s hilarious you are saying I’m scum for this, but apparently Wiggles is somehow town for doing exactly that. Take a look at my two posts:
On March 06 2019 18:52 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles, you’ve been scumming me since before I even scummed Trfel. Yet you’ve never voted me. Why not? You seem pretty convinced, you have some others who agree. Think about what you say because I’m going to have great satisfaction copy and pasting things from your case on me in my defense.
On March 06 2019 21:47 Tubesock wrote: Wiggles is funny to me. I feel like I can just take his case on me, and find/replace his name for mine and submit it with equal fervor. Plus we voted on both wagons so we can’t be too far off.
Why do you think i wrote the big and bold?? It’s a fucking trap and you fell right into it.
Oatsmaster didn’t bother to read anything more than the single post and looking for “reads” at the shallowest of levels. You went straight to Tube is mafia because of this “slip” you found. Yet you had no idea it was a trap and you fell into it!!!
This action on your part is representative of your entire game. You are mafia.
Oatsmaster, who waffles on Mr. Wiggles, immediately takes Wiggles word without hesitation or investigating the truthfulness of either mine or Wiggles filter and says I’m scum. This of course was based on a flat lie that Oatsmaster didn’t bother at all to investigate. He shouldn’t have trusted Wiggles word as he didn’t show any indication that he strongly townread Wiggles. A town always distrusts, and when I confronted Oats, he was just “oh I’m wrong, whoops” and then just did whatever he was doing. I would think town would question Wiggles a bit after that. Chezinu - there’s four scenarios concerning the Great FF/Chezinu Mad Hatter Debate of 2019. 1)Both are Mafia. This would be so goddamn genius. Lynch one they flip mafia and the other is confirmed town with 0% chance of being questioned for not being NK’d. Having a backup Cop flip day one and HF going on how this is a themed game I can see a world where Chez and FF think up this shit. Especially if Sicklucker is mafia also. They’re all crafty. But I think it is unnecessary and considering there’s only two dead mafia, I think it’s unlikely. But yolo end of era plays. HF tried one. 2) Fecalfeast/Chezinu- a one for one would be a complete waste. Almost zero chance. 3) both town- possible. Mafia could hold the shot on FF hoping they could mlynch Chezinu, and then shoot FF if he places a bomb on a mafia friendly target the next night. Seems needlessly risky for two free dead towns. 4)FecalfeastCezinu- mafia would never shoot in this instance unless for some crazy bad reason they thought FF was lying about his bomb. I think this is by far the most likely situation. My vote will not waver from Chezinu. I haven’t had internet since Thursday. Apologies. This Thursday and Friday I probably won’t have it again. There were technical difficulties at work.
I’m caught up, going to be rereading stuff. I’ll be here for several hours.
HF: Moved off: Slam, BC Moved on: Mocsta, [UoN]Sentinel, Pandain, sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, Fecalfeast, iamperfection, Damdred, ExO_, Trfel
Palmar: Moved off: Mocsta Moved on: Conversion, Alakaslam, LightningStrike, BC, Blazinghand
Seems obvious that BC didn't want dirty hands with a Palmar kill. And sentinel is obviously self-preservation. But I don't really know what to make of the rest.
From the general behaviour, my gut says that scum don't know sentinel is scum and aren't trying to protect him by voting HF. They also don't feel like getting their hands dirty lynching Palmar (as evidenced by BC jumping off) despite it being their most desirable outcome. So our best bet is to hunt for people who try to make Palmar look bad, but don't vote HF in D1.
There's probably 1 scum on the HF wagon (beside sentinel), but I don't get the feeling that they really tried here. This was town derping about, imho.
People who judiciously steered clear of both wagons: darthfoley, Tumblewood, Koshi, Oatsmaster, chezinu, onegu, rels
On March 03 2019 16:26 Acrofales wrote: K, 1 1/2 hours of morning posts before I'm sailing all day again.
Summary of the night:
##mayor Palmar
zzz
this is why the sent push is pointless
Why is this pointless? Walk me through it. I disagree with lynching sent (although I do want him dead). I'm all for putting that responsibility squarely on Palmar's shoulders.
And no, waiting til n1 to start playing the game seriously is not acceptable as town.
36? players. You either believe him about his role pm blahness or don't. If you don't, by all means push it. If you do it's boring. People won't lynch Chez on the assumping he can be vig'd. So can this guy.
And mostly it's an easy thing to agree with and excuse not doing anything else, innit?
Though props for not being that guy at least.
People won't lynch Chez because they don't think he's obviously scum. So if you want to lynch Chez make a better case than he's RPing the brown, because if you actually read his posts there's some decent amount of effort into understanding the game there, IMHO.
Sent is different. Let's assume he's telling the truth. In that case the only ppl who know his alignment are scum. If he's scum then they'll try to save him and if he isn't they'll try to kill him. Lynching him is not the best option, because there's far too much confusion in that wagon to get any information.
Now let's assume he's lying. I can't think of a town reason for doing this, and so he's scum. The rest is similar to above.
Enters Palmar: he claims to feel strongly about killing sent. So let him do it. All you need to decide is if Palmar is townie enough. But if we decide Palmar is townie enough to be mayor then he is free to kill whoever he likes. He sticks with sentinel and sentinel flips scum? We win, yay! Sheep Palmar into Armageddon. Sentinel flips town? We figure out if Palmars policy lynch is an ideological thing or a scum thing. Either way, we get information about Palmar out of this, which is a great thing to get out of D1.
Oh... I was just going to pretend to think Palmar is townie cause I really think him going after Sent if a really mafia Palmar thing to do if Sent was mafia.
Best make the mafia think you don't know to much if you want to survive the night.
This is... pretty terrible. I missed it earlier, but Chezinu clearly doesn't care about who becomes mayor as he sits all by his lonesome on his own mayor wagon. And this is his "read" on Palmar. I am starting to warm up to the Chezinu lynch.
But I wasn't intending to fixate on Chez. Lets move on.
On March 05 2019 06:38 Holyflare wrote: Palmar (11): Palmar, Ticktock, Meapak_Zipphh, Acrofales, Vivax, WaveofShadow, Grackaroni, Conversion, Alakaslam, Trfel, Blazinghand
How has this guy got 11 people voting for him when his sole policy is only to kill Sentinel who doesn't even look bad?
Almost the entirety, if not THE entirety of this wagon is the sketchiest people in this game. It's even growing!
I don't think Vivax or TT are sketch but yea, there are some questionable names on that wagon.
Why isn't Palmar pushing for a Mocsta mayor lynch considering he grilled him for like 3 pages over stuff? I guess I can understand why not Conversion considering Conversion is a leading wagon, but the fact that Palmar has been around but hasn't backed off the Sentinel idea is bonkers.
We should be voting HF or Iamp as mayor imo
Throws shade. Does nothing. Also scum. This is too easy!
Oatsmaster Seems to avoid saying anything about Palmar directly, but not in a scummy way. He's reading the thread, he calls palmar out when he doesn't agree. I don't really see much either way here. Definitely not throwing shade like the above two.
Onegu Cntrl-f Palmar: 0 results. Uh oh.
Onegu hasn't quoted a post by Palmar. He has not talked to Palmar, and he has not talked about Palmar. Not once in this entire game. This also means he hasn't talked about the mayor kill by HF. Serious red flags going up here, as that is probably still the most momentous event in the game (maybe equalled by TW's vigi kill on BC and Pandain's dayvig, but still top 3).
Rels Doesn't mention reads on Palmar D1. But his D1 filter is like 7 posts or so, and half of those are fluff. Not mentioning Palmar doesn't seem like a big deal, as he doesn't mention most people. Still a bit suspect.
Conclusions:
DF, Chez and Onegu come away with quite a lot of egg on their face.
On March 12 2019 08:08 sicklucker wrote: What im not surprised at all by these nks. They just are lyncing down the vet list with goid rep (ace) i think most sane people townread tick.
Why were these night kills unsurprising but the night 2 ones were bad? What's your thought process there?
On March 13 2019 02:09 Onegu wrote: Uhhh I felt like shit, then went to the hospital. I didn’t mention multiple people at all. Why does this make egg on my face?
EPT
