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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
March 12 2019 17:20 GMT
#7341
On March 13 2019 02:10 Onegu wrote:
Honestly I have read like 10 pages total from before night 2...



And I won’t, best you will get is a filter dive...
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 12 2019 17:24 GMT
#7342
On March 12 2019 21:34 LightningStrike wrote:
Me and Rels been talking in the QT and concluding that MZ is very likely Mafia based on the night kills.
WoS scumread him
Tina needed a closer look on him
Rayn was scumreading him? (Don't know if he changed his read or kept the read after he said MZ is possible scum)
Marv didn't say much on him
Koshi was townreading him
Iamp ???????
TT: Lynch into MZ and Wiggles
Ace: ??????
Plus Rels been scumreading him and I agree with him on that front he’s very likely to flip scum for us.
##Unvote
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh

Looking back at his filter Rayn was really nailing his town reads. I see what looks like potentially pretty strong reason from Rayn to scum read MZ for his Sentinel read.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17991 Posts
March 12 2019 17:28 GMT
#7343
On March 13 2019 02:12 Onegu wrote:
I don’t get


Cntrl-f Palmar: 0 results. Uh oh.

Onegu hasn't quoted a post by Palmar. He has not talked to Palmar, and he has not talked about Palmar. Not once in this entire game. This also means he hasn't talked about the mayor kill by HF. Serious red flags going up here, as that is probably still the most momentous event in the game (maybe equalled by TW's vigi kill on BC and Pandain's dayvig, but still top 3).


Rels was away all of D1 as well. He talks about palmar and discusses what he thinks aobut HF shivving him. You... don't. Searching specifically for any kind of critical thinking about HF dropping a nuke on Palmar gives us:

On March 09 2019 21:32 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2019 21:29 Vivax wrote:
Idk why scum killed marv, Koshi and Iamp on N1 over the likes of rayn, HF who were town.

So I went back to reading their opinions before the phase ended and extrapolated something like:

Marv -> mentions acro
Iamp -> Mentions 1gu
Koshi -> Mentions wiggles and sentinel

Could be they were onto something there.



I would guess because everyone wanted to lynch HF after is mayor miss... I mean seriously...


On March 09 2019 22:43 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2019 22:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 09 2019 22:38 Onegu wrote:
On March 09 2019 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 09 2019 22:12 Onegu wrote:
Or tell me why my logic is bad?

Don't think scum would have a day vig especially when it would instant win in LYLO/MYLO as someone mentioned plus he had replaced out and replsced back in thus less likely chance he's scum I think.



This isnt a normal game. Possible scum get a 1 shot on day 3. Why should town make that shot though. Doesnt make sense. Only scum take that shot.

Second that is meaningless. Mean I shit I forgot the game started. Get replaced. Come back hey I wanted to play. AMG doesnt want to play scum or some shit comes up. Pandain comes back.

HF should always been shot by a vig of any sort though so we had info on the mayor wagon Day 1 and the Day 2 lynch.....



Not true at all. Would you have shot him if you had a day vigi? After the flips he was obv town.



There is remarkably little evidence that onegu was trying to figure out what the hell the mayor stuff was all about. This, btw, is the result of cntrl-f HF AND cntrl-f mayor. He isn't even bothering to figure out HF when he's up for lynching on D2...

Also, 0 mention of BH. That's the mayor elections, the fallout thereof and the D2 lynch all completely absent.

And yes, I realize you were legitimately afk. But your catch-up includes no analysis at all of what happened, or how people responded to what happened. It's like you're playing as if the game started at the beginning of D3... which is probably true for scum. Because D1 and D2 was utterly boring for them:

D1 Lynch wagons:
Trfel, BH, Conversion, Acrofales, Iamperfection

D1 Mayor wagons:
HF, Palmar, Iamperfection
All 3 with intentions to kill someone scum (probably) thought was town as well.

D2 Lynch wagons:
BH, HF

Why would scum even feign playing? They didn't have to do *anything*. Town was tearing itself apart. And probably would have continued to do so on D3 if not for those meddling chil... Pandain.

So... yeah. Being afk for the first 7 days (realtime) of the game is a rather convenient excuse if you're scum.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
March 12 2019 17:40 GMT
#7344
Also normal for Onegu as town...
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 12 2019 17:41 GMT
#7345
On March 05 2019 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2019 15:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The only snag in my mind is why did he even bother telling the thread. If he legitimately hasn't read his role PM what advantage does it buy him as town to tell the thread about it. Like if you want your play to be "neutral" (which as palmar noted is a strategy that is inherently advantageous to mafia) why tell the thread what you're doing. That said I like the idea of policy lynching someone playing a strategy that is blatantly anti town. I'm going to vote Palmar for mayor and suspend my own campaign.

Why did you write this sentence?

On March 05 2019 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am like 99% sure that Meapak knows Sentinel is town.


I am trying to wrap my mind around this here and am going in circles a bit. From how I read it you think Sentinel might be not reading his role PM as scum to get an advantage but he is neutralizing his advantage by telling people?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 12 2019 17:43 GMT
#7346
Ya rayn had some good reasons on MZ god I wish we can lynch 2 people today >.<
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
March 12 2019 17:45 GMT
#7347
I wish I had a nuke.

@hosts give me a nuke!
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 12 2019 17:47 GMT
#7348
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 12 2019 17:54 GMT
#7349
No I think that's wrong. Getting 2 kills for 1 isn't worthwhile if Chez is town and can be used as a potential counterwagon/mislynch. He's unlikely to be able to clear himself if he is town.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
March 12 2019 17:54 GMT
#7350
On March 05 2019 08:49 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 08:47 darthfoley wrote:
I don’t think Trfel reacts like this if he’s mafia before deadline. He’s trying to be heard and sounds genuinely offended that people aren’t interacting with him.

I would think he would try and throw shade on anyone at this point but he isn’t


I generally agree with this same sentiment.

Looks like its Blazing Hand for the Lynch. It sucks cuz it looks like he's just town giving up to me but there's literally no other choice right now.



On March 08 2019 05:35 ExO_ wrote:
I’m at work, I’ve been busy this week and will stay busy until the weekend as my boss is in town until tomorrow. Looks like HF and BH, and between the 2 Id rather lynch BH. Will hang around for 10 mins or so

This is what I hate about the whole "well we gotta consolidate on lynch" mindset bc here we have a guy who says he thinks BH is just town giving up but then he votes him bc "there's no other choice"

On March 05 2019 08:50 ExO_ wrote:
##Vote Blazinghand


On March 08 2019 05:36 ExO_ wrote:
##Vote: Blazinghand


Then somehow, despite reading BH as green, he gets to "I'd rather lynch BH than HF" like why would you vote for someone you're townreading.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
March 12 2019 18:00 GMT
#7351
On March 13 2019 02:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 03 2019 15:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The only snag in my mind is why did he even bother telling the thread. If he legitimately hasn't read his role PM what advantage does it buy him as town to tell the thread about it. Like if you want your play to be "neutral" (which as palmar noted is a strategy that is inherently advantageous to mafia) why tell the thread what you're doing. That said I like the idea of policy lynching someone playing a strategy that is blatantly anti town. I'm going to vote Palmar for mayor and suspend my own campaign.

Why did you write this sentence?

Show nested quote +
On March 05 2019 16:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am like 99% sure that Meapak knows Sentinel is town.


I am trying to wrap my mind around this here and am going in circles a bit. From how I read it you think Sentinel might be not reading his role PM as scum to get an advantage but he is neutralizing his advantage by telling people?

My point was if your goal is to be neutral, why tell the thread about it because it instantly highlights your play. So therefore if you haven't actually read it, just read the damn thing bc you've given up the advantage you thought you might get if you had rolled scum. So while not reading your roll PM is scummy, by telling the thread he kinds gave away the advantage from it.

Idk if that makes it more understandable, it makes sense in my head.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 12 2019 18:01 GMT
#7352
On March 13 2019 02:54 Grackaroni wrote:
No I think that's wrong. Getting 2 kills for 1 isn't worthwhile if Chez is town and can be used as a potential counterwagon/mislynch. He's unlikely to be able to clear himself if he is town.

Getting 2 kills I think would likely get them to LYLO/MYLO area from the look of things why not get the kill if Chez is town?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
March 12 2019 18:03 GMT
#7353
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.

Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.

Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 12 2019 18:06 GMT
#7354
On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.

Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.

Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.

It's the last game most likely for TL Mafia and Rels brought up the point that he could break his meta for the final hurrah. Why you don't believe FF's claim?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 12 2019 18:06 GMT
#7355
On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.

Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.

Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.

Why would ff casually cc chez?
No gg, No skill.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 12 2019 18:11 GMT
#7356
On March 13 2019 03:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.

Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.

Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.

Why would ff casually cc chez?

+1
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
March 12 2019 18:11 GMT
#7357
On March 13 2019 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.

Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.

Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.

It's the last game most likely for TL Mafia and Rels brought up the point that he could break his meta for the final hurrah. Why you don't believe FF's claim?

Because I had a pretty strong red read on FF. Besides this town so far has been remarkably willing to accept role claims (that's neither good nor bad, I've just been part of towns in the past that were suspicious as shit of all claims). Besides hatter is a great scum claim bc it conveniently explains why you don't get NK'd and vigis are more nervous to shoot you.

I also don't like Rel for town very much, the traitor role has already flipped and someone pointed out scum mason would be a great role for helping the mafia team find the traitor.

Similarly I absolutely do not under any circumstances consider pandain townconfirmed, especially since he wasnt shot last night and tumble was.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
March 12 2019 18:13 GMT
#7358
On March 13 2019 03:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.

Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.

Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.

Why would ff casually cc chez?

Because why not? Chez is chez. His role claima are always incredibly difficult to actually nail down and while he's rattling off about bombs its very easy for FF to come in a clearly state he's a hatter and just by the lack of fluff with his claim he's got more credibility than chez.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17991 Posts
March 12 2019 18:15 GMT
#7359
@mz: you have 5 minutes to push an updated version of your spreadsheet. Time is ticking.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 12 2019 18:19 GMT
#7360
On March 13 2019 03:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.

Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.

Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.

It's the last game most likely for TL Mafia and Rels brought up the point that he could break his meta for the final hurrah. Why you don't believe FF's claim?

Because I had a pretty strong red read on FF. Besides this town so far has been remarkably willing to accept role claims (that's neither good nor bad, I've just been part of towns in the past that were suspicious as shit of all claims). Besides hatter is a great scum claim bc it conveniently explains why you don't get NK'd and vigis are more nervous to shoot you.

I also don't like Rel for town very much, the traitor role has already flipped and someone pointed out scum mason would be a great role for helping the mafia team find the traitor.

Similarly I absolutely do not under any circumstances consider pandain townconfirmed, especially since he wasnt shot last night and tumble was.

Why would FF do that when the vigs all outed themselves???? If Rels is mafia you would have to assume that magfia didn't know who the traitor is but know there is a traitor so why would he recruit his townreads in Tina (rsoultin), Rayn and later recruited me?
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