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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 12 2019 18:55 GMT
#7381
On March 13 2019 03:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 03:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.

Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.

Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.

Why would ff casually cc chez?

Because why not? Chez is chez. His role claima are always incredibly difficult to actually nail down and while he's rattling off about bombs its very easy for FF to come in a clearly state he's a hatter and just by the lack of fluff with his claim he's got more credibility than chez.

Alright so his claim is null then, why does it make him mafia that he claimed? Cause I believe that’s what you are saying

No I had FF as red well before his claim.

You imply that there’s something wrong with his claim when it’s actually his play that’s wrong and the claim is null but you didn’t make that clear
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 12 2019 18:56 GMT
#7382
The ace kill is super weird, didn’t kill vivax or acro, those are the two that really should’ve died
No gg, No skill.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
March 12 2019 19:01 GMT
#7383
I went deep into the bowels of HF's filter. This right here is a 10/10 case. I checked up on Mocsta's past scum games and fake rage is completely in character for a Mocsta scum game. I will write my own thing on Mocsta later but I think this is the best lynch for today and should have gotten more attention when HF was alive, but I didn't really notice it since it was buried in 34 pages of crap.

On March 05 2019 21:21 Holyflare wrote:
Knowing now that Palmar was town clears up a few things and makes interactions look incredibly feigned.

Take this guy for example:

Main Palmar Points - TLDR if you're lazy

Mocsta

Mocsta begins the game in a point of unknowns and decides to read filters (I'll ignore that he doesn't actually get to reading mine, despite saying he would, for now).

Made up nonsense that you only figure out if you look into it

Show nested quote +
Sentinel seems ok. Like his first couple posts were iffy but seemed quite comfortable/relaxed esp when asking for vote pile up. I didnt like acro in sentinel filter. Cheesy focus on lurjers.. reqd like he was polishing a turd.
Im not against a policy lynch but it would be purely that. I would prefer mayor vote on him so ppl are forced to take a stand for the lynch itself.


This Mocsta post was made on March 03 2019 15:00 GMT. I've gone into Sentinel's filter and compared it to what actually happened in his filter Here (click me) and Sentinel's last post before this was post #936 at March 03 2019 02:46 GMT. Not once is Acrofales mentioned in the entirety of Sentinel's filter here. I've even checked the chains of EVERY single post in his filter before then and Acrofales is not mentioned at all, in any of them or even hinted at. So why does Mocsta say this?

In my opinion I believe it was so that he could start going on Acro or at least "read his filter".

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 00:10 Mocsta wrote:
Acro filter is giving me tingles

Posting is quite hot/cold and the generic mafia stuff is over embellished - i get why palmar says its "logical" but doesnt mean it came from town.. its just general knowledge play in my opinion.

I woukd give him town credit for posting when saying hes busy but theres a overarching tone of ?anger / haste?.

My only hesitation is i already was leaning against him before i read filter - so i am interrsted in where others sit with acro
.

Gonna read oats now


His Acro read is the most generic thing you can possibly post. Not only is it wishy washy in the sense he doesn't ACTUALLY give a substantial read but it doesn't actually say anything either. He's angry and hot/cold? ok?

You get some other fluff:

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 00:25 Mocsta wrote:
On March 02 2019 10:01 Trfel wrote:
Hi, I am mafia

So acro is banging on about lynch all liars and policy etc


Why is this ignored?!?


but he ignores Acro's basically 3rd post in the game:

Show nested quote +
On March 02 2019 16:17 Acrofales wrote:
I just started reading and 3 pages in stopped again. From this point onwards, I will be operating on a lynch all liars policy, because holy shit, mafia claims are the dumbest things I have ever seen. So yeah. Claim mafia beyond this point and I'll assume it's the truth. I also refuse to read anything else up to here, unless someone specifically points me somewhere in the first 23 pages worth reading.

Now can we keep the postcount reasonable? This isn't a mini, and I'm going sailing all weekend and have a deadline on Monday.

Thanks.

Acrofales, the townie.



Which literally explains it. Acro even points this out in a post directed to Mocsta but Mocsta has his biggest scum read on this guy but never EVER acknowledges this post which perfectly dissuades any of the substantial point(s) he has.

Mocsta finally un-scum reads Acro based on a post that doesn't quite make any sense from Acro. Acro says that BH is just like the people missing from his list but he's on there anyway which is literally the entire point of Tubesocks's post and Acro's post is essentially a list post that focuses on lurkers and people not doing much, which was exactly what Mocsta disliked Acro for in the beginning of the game!

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 22:14 Mocsta wrote:
##unvote: acro

I stopped scum reading him from #1416 onwards. Fingers in multiple pies, and consistent thought process throughout 3-4 of his 5 pages. Too much uncertainty/effort for mafia.

I only played one scum game with iamp and he literally trolled the whole time. I recall that was what he was known for.
Thats enough for me to give him a pass Day1 whether the case was good or bad.



Acro is never mentioned again.








Palmar Inconsistencies - The Bread and Butter




He says the following about Palmar:

Show nested quote +
Palmar filter was good because it had some quotes from rayn and acro. I like that rayn picked up on acro.. palmars counter about weak play are fair and aceo is a solid player. But i give higher credit to weekend and massive game = preference to cop out even if mafia. I do like palmat back and forth with rayn and even though i know palmar excels at pushing for thread soapbox position it read as if he was trying to work with the thread instead of pretend to keep up a facade.



He says he likes Palmar's filter so far (this read through occurred when Palmar was at the start of page 2 of his filter) because Palmar is defending Acro and soap boxing about policy lynching, which he knows Palmar is good at, as both alignments! So he chooses an alignment for Palmar based on an arbitrary metric of weekend playing. That's ok in a vacuum. He even follows it up saying he's voting Palmar for mayor:

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 00:30 Mocsta wrote:
Going to bed

Im ok with palmar mayor to policy lynch sentinel

My lynch is trfel or acro. I will place on whoever has highest vote count at this point.

Ciao



What's not cool is what follows after this:

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 14:05 Mocsta wrote:
On March 04 2019 07:46 Holyflare wrote:
I also think Mocsta purposefully neglected to read my filter over the ones he "chose" so he could have an excuse to join the Palmar mayor wagon.

Not true

I was going to read urs last of the three. But palmars led me down the path it did and i was content

I havent read urs and will avoid it as long as i can. Mainly because i suspect ur filter is big and cos i havent seen anything untoward from you that others quoted


He's content with Palmar, read his filter and everything but 4 hours later he's all over my Palmar case that says I'm lynching Palmar:

Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 18:27 Mocsta wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:14 Holyflare wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:09 Jockmcplop wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:07 Holyflare wrote:
My mayor lynch will be on Palmar by the way.


I can get behind this, but what's the reasoning behind it?


Only talks about town reads, has no suspicions on pretty much anything in the game. Perpetuates nonsense policy lynch after he likes Sentinel's effort when he hasn't even read it. His last post about acro is entirely a wall of hedge whereby he looks like he's falsely weighing up Acro's alignment but really it's wishy washy and says nothing.

His iamp read looks completely bs too for similar reasons to his acro read. Iamp is town but wait here's reasons I can say he's not town later in the game.

None of this is concrete town palmar stuff. There's also the fact we can acknowledge that mafia were pushing for his candidacy if he does flip mafia

Hf u swayed my mayor vote


Now we're in a situation where Mocsta has liked everything about Palmar, has completely done a 180 and is now voting me for mayor to lynch Palmar and we're in a situation where Mocsta's mindset is that Palmar is scummy, or at least that I have a good platform based on lynching him. What happens next? It's the infamous Palmar/Mocsta rage explosion.

1. Mocsta criticises Palmar for misconstruing his filter: + Show Spoiler +

On March 04 2019 19:49 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 18:55 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 08:14 Mocsta wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:40 Pandain wrote:
I'm only halfway through and might not even completely finishing catching up tonight, but I'm just going to say anyone who favors policy lynches is completely making the wrong decision. We literally already have over 60 pages of information to find scum, let's not waste a lynch.

Favoring policy lynches encourages lazy play and for mafia just to blend in with bland reasons, and it doesn't benefit town because most people who get lynched from a policy lynched are the people who don't give a fuck (most likely town).

Policy lynches are only good as a threat to promote good behavior, they're not good to actually implement. But I'm pretty sure most people favoring them right now don't have that view.

alarm bell

Berates town when not even caught up.....


He's not berating town at all, he's making an argument on how to play the game. It's actually put forward in a pretty respectful way. Of course it's fucking wrong but that's not the point. I fully believe Pandain actually believes what he's say.

Overall I dislike Mocsta's filter.

On March 04 2019 00:28 Mocsta wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote:
I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker.

He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed:
On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote:
rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na

Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.

Bad post and trfel knows it

Town can have all these symptoms.. which is why he hesitates with i kinds want to...


Okay, so you think it's a bad post... and then what? I mean, Mocsta is not wrong, town does stupid shit, but the entire point of the exercise is to figure out which stupid shit is done by mafia. Even the wording on "Town can have all these symptoms" doesn't invalidate Trfel's point that mafia could have those symptoms.

If it's such a bad post do you want to investigate Trfel? Because you didn't post about him ever again since then. Or was it simply a defense of sicklucker? I didn't think your "not posting shit in the thread" read on sicklucker is strong enough to warrant defending him.

Overall the feeling I get from Mocsta is he's either attacking or complimenting single posts (the two I quoted, some post by BC etc) without much direction. He's not trying to get anything done, he's just... posting.

He's a really good candidate for mafia.
yes my posts have no direction

So why does that make me a good candidate for mafia.

U clearly are skimming my less than one page filter because its clear i did investigste trfel and spelled out a clear conclusion.

Again. Ither than me rescinding my mayor vote on yoy and agreeing with some hf points. Why are yoy treating my filter as worst possible scenario.

Why are you ignoring exo..




2. Mocsta thinks Palmar is arguing circular logic and is treating him like confirmed mafia already and doesn't like the cut of Palmar's jib: + Show Spoiler +


On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 19:49 Mocsta wrote:
On March 04 2019 18:55 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 08:14 Mocsta wrote:
On March 04 2019 05:40 Pandain wrote:
I'm only halfway through and might not even completely finishing catching up tonight, but I'm just going to say anyone who favors policy lynches is completely making the wrong decision. We literally already have over 60 pages of information to find scum, let's not waste a lynch.

Favoring policy lynches encourages lazy play and for mafia just to blend in with bland reasons, and it doesn't benefit town because most people who get lynched from a policy lynched are the people who don't give a fuck (most likely town).

Policy lynches are only good as a threat to promote good behavior, they're not good to actually implement. But I'm pretty sure most people favoring them right now don't have that view.

alarm bell

Berates town when not even caught up.....


He's not berating town at all, he's making an argument on how to play the game. It's actually put forward in a pretty respectful way. Of course it's fucking wrong but that's not the point. I fully believe Pandain actually believes what he's say.

Overall I dislike Mocsta's filter.

On March 04 2019 00:28 Mocsta wrote:
On March 02 2019 21:59 Trfel wrote:
I actually kinda want to lynch sicklucker.

He's currently contributed almost no reads (if I recall correctly, dislike of Acrofales and a town-to-meh read on rsoultin). Yet he took the time to defend himself verbosely from the slightest suspicion of rsoultin, which feels highly overdefensive, but his argument was defending his townread of rsoultin while his read, just previously posted, seemed far less committed:
On March 02 2019 17:08 sicklucker wrote:
rsoultin is town dawg. maybe. na. maybe. na

Does that make sense? It doesn't look like he's trying to find mafia, just trying to exist.

Bad post and trfel knows it

Town can have all these symptoms.. which is why he hesitates with i kinds want to...


Okay, so you think it's a bad post... and then what? I mean, Mocsta is not wrong, town does stupid shit, but the entire point of the exercise is to figure out which stupid shit is done by mafia. Even the wording on "Town can have all these symptoms" doesn't invalidate Trfel's point that mafia could have those symptoms.

If it's such a bad post do you want to investigate Trfel? Because you didn't post about him ever again since then. Or was it simply a defense of sicklucker? I didn't think your "not posting shit in the thread" read on sicklucker is strong enough to warrant defending him.

Overall the feeling I get from Mocsta is he's either attacking or complimenting single posts (the two I quoted, some post by BC etc) without much direction. He's not trying to get anything done, he's just... posting.

He's a really good candidate for mafia.
yes my posts have no direction

So why does that make me a good candidate for mafia.

U clearly are skimming my less than one page filter because its clear i did investigste trfel and spelled out a clear conclusion.

Again. Ither than me rescinding my mayor vote on yoy and agreeing with some hf points. Why are yoy treating my filter as worst possible scenario.

Why are you ignoring exo..

the more i think about this palmar post. Thr more annoyed i get

Its bullshit.

Im town and have no knowledge of scum or setup
Im nkt rjnning for mayor
The mayor / kynch is effectively spoken for..

What direction exactly is he expecting from me

If i post. Its no direction.
If i dont post. Im useless town tonbe vigged

Hes creating a damned if you do. Damned if you dont srgument.

Its bullshit and i sont like it.





3. Mocsta gets annoyed at Palmar's position, who he thinks is scummy(?) but treats Palmar like he's insulting him when Palmar could have just been mafia ruffling his feathers on purpose: + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2019 20:15 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 20:06 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote:

Its bullshit.

No

On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote:
Im town and have no knowledge of scum or setup

Neither does anyone else, doesn't stop them helping.

On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote:
Im nkt rjnning for mayor


So what?
On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote:
The mayor / kynch is effectively spoken for..

What direction exactly is he expecting from me


No it's not, the mayor race is very close and the lynch is on a very active player who is almost certainly going to make an effort not to get lynched.

I'm expecting you to argue for your positions.

On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote:
If i post. Its no direction.
If i dont post. Im useless town tonbe vigged

Hes creating a damned if you do. Damned if you dont srgument.

Its bullshit and i sont like it.


This is incorrect. I want you to post, I'm just looking for your posts being in some coherent line of thought, some objective. If you want to make sure HF becomes the mayor, convince someone to help you do that. If you think Acro is the mafia, keep making the case.

To be fair though, this outburst looks kinda less scummy so I'm on the fence on your alignment. Starting to think maybe you're just really, really bad and not mafia.


*clap clap*
you're just really, realy bad

see. this is why this is the last game on this forum.

Terrible mentality.

To be honest, I didn't sign up to be abused like this.
No you didn't hurt my feelings, but Im not gonna put up with this crap.

I will give you one warning. Be a shithead like this again, and I will modkill.

I have played fairly, and whether my style is to your liking, is YOUR problem to deal with.



4. Mocsta says Palmar is being malicious and misrepresenting a series of events: + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2019 20:21 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 20:18 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 20:13 Mocsta wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:57 Palmar wrote:
I'm not treating your filter as worst possible scenario, I just looked at what was in it, which wasn't very much. I think it's not clear you investigated Trfel, you've not explained your reasoning for suspecting him beyond the one post I quoted. I'm not saying Trfel is town or anything, just that your reasons are trash.

At the top of this page there is a list showing the people I have opinion on, that's about a third of the game maybe. Why are you asking me about exo? Why not Ace? Conversion? BC? Oats? or anyone else out of the 20 or so people I haven't gotten around to reading yet?
Why dont you ask me then to explain further.


That's not my job. If I see 2 people vote Acro, one makes a case and actively tries to get him lynched and the other one is "I'm fine with lynching Acro" and then not another word, it's usually obvious which one I believe is invested in getting the correct lynch.

The onus is on you to push your ideas.

Bullshit.

You are debating about philosophy of how to play the game.

Just because I differ, doesnt make me any less town or scum.

There is a time and place to push; and when I entered Day1, the game was already at somehwat of a steady-state.

I dont believe sicklucker even made a case on acro, so you are being intentionally malicious in your recollection of events towards me.



5. Mocsta completely invalidates any kind of reactions he's had to Palmar by being wishy washy on him now: + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2019 20:28 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 20:23 Holyflare wrote:
Just keep me as mayor and palmar dies, easy life mocsta.
I already have my major vote

I need to contemplate the palmar mayor lynch a little bit more, as I can see his malicious posting to me being butthurt town. Then again, if he thinks so little of me, its unlikely that I made him butthurt. Then again, (again), I think I had the swing vote that see HF as mayor... So in short, I can see someone pumped for Mayor for the last game of TL, reciprocating in this fashion whether town or mafia.

I need to reread your thing on him, and follow through with reading acro/trfel.

/dribble + random bullshit over





6. Mocsta instead rages at Palmar again: + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2019 20:30 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 20:27 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 20:15 Mocsta wrote:
On March 04 2019 20:06 Palmar wrote:
On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote:

Its bullshit.

No

On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote:
Im town and have no knowledge of scum or setup

Neither does anyone else, doesn't stop them helping.

On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote:
Im nkt rjnning for mayor


So what?
On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote:
The mayor / kynch is effectively spoken for..

What direction exactly is he expecting from me


No it's not, the mayor race is very close and the lynch is on a very active player who is almost certainly going to make an effort not to get lynched.

I'm expecting you to argue for your positions.

On March 04 2019 19:58 Mocsta wrote:
If i post. Its no direction.
If i dont post. Im useless town tonbe vigged

Hes creating a damned if you do. Damned if you dont srgument.

Its bullshit and i sont like it.


This is incorrect. I want you to post, I'm just looking for your posts being in some coherent line of thought, some objective. If you want to make sure HF becomes the mayor, convince someone to help you do that. If you think Acro is the mafia, keep making the case.

To be fair though, this outburst looks kinda less scummy so I'm on the fence on your alignment. Starting to think maybe you're just really, really bad and not mafia.


*clap clap*
you're just really, realy bad

see. this is why this is the last game on this forum.

Terrible mentality.

To be honest, I didn't sign up to be abused like this.
No you didn't hurt my feelings, but Im not gonna put up with this crap.

I will give you one warning. Be a shithead like this again, and I will modkill.

I have played fairly, and whether my style is to your liking, is YOUR problem to deal with.


Of course it is, I hate the way you've played so far this game, which is why I called it really really bad. It's you, not me, who's skirting the rules by threatening to get yourself modkilled.

I'm not the asshole here, you are. I push people's buttons to make them react. I get annoyed because you greatly misconstrued my position on you as a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario, when it's very obvious what the problem I have with your posting is. If you put words in my mouth, I have to call you mafia, unless I actually believe you believe what you're writing, in which case you're just not showing me the respect of actually reading what I'm saying, in which case I'm completely justified in calling you bad.

It's super obvious I'm not against you posting. But for some reason you tried to paint it as such. After this exchange I actually don't think you did it because you're mafia.

So what am I left with?
fuck you palmar.

im done



7. Mocsta forgets all about this Palmar outburst and votes Conversion based on Palmar's really really weak case on Conversion: + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2019 22:36 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2019 20:31 Palmar wrote:
I don't like Conversion's filter. I especially hate this post:

On March 04 2019 08:13 Conversion wrote:
I’m back sort of. I have interviews all week so wont play much today.

did MZ ever explain his reasoning on why he put Oats low on his scum list for scumreading me, the same as him, but excluded me from his to lynch list? also why he agreed with Oats making a large post of bullshit voted and saying “not town?”

if not I’d like to lynch him


We all know he could've checked the answer in like 3 mouse clicks. He's not posting because he wants to know whether this happened. He's posting because he's very gently asking other people to allow him to have the position that he's considering having.

It's a really, really scummy post.
hmmm took me a few reads to understand this, and yes I get it now. If the read is strong, he would check it himself an ask for "have the position" as eloquently said. If the read is weak, he should sheep,which he does not allude to in the slightest.

Even considering he is busy this is very lazy for town play.

Good pick up and Im happy to vote

##Vote:;Conversion



This case essentially boiled down to Conversion was too lazy to look up a point??????????????? It was enough to dissuade Mocsta from his earlier qualms with Palmar, enough to look past everything and vote for it, it was SO compelling. I don't believe it for a second. There's no way someone goes from that much hate to complacency and sheeping unless it was faked anger.

If he liked this case enough to sheep Palmar then why, knowing that I would lynch Palmar, did Mocsta not switch his vote off of me either? He was still voting me for mayor the entire time too.

Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
March 12 2019 19:01 GMT
#7384
On March 11 2019 08:35 Tictock wrote:
Boom!

Ty for giving me the lynch I asked for town!

Time for a bit of tinfoil before I read what I missed: This probably means Rel's role shit would be mafia related as it is the most likely way that Mafia would recruit a traitor.

However I don't really think role related reads work very well and I kinda now heavily suspect Rels due to some other stuff (such as calling Chez v Ace as Scum v Scum, when I noted the EoD felt dead and possibly meant TvT).

Actually it's probably dinner time for me and then will come back to this game tonight. Need to think as well because Sent being a traitor could mean he didn't know anything about the full mafia team, which makes my earlier conclusion of him flipping scum clearing Ace possibly moot.

This is the post that sparked the whole scum mason idea for me. Onegu picked up on it but as far as I've read there really wasn't any other discussion of it and then TT showed up dead. He also has Rels red for other reasons, it seems like he was the only one.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
March 12 2019 19:02 GMT
#7385
On March 13 2019 03:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 03:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself.

Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta.

Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim.

Why would ff casually cc chez?

Because why not? Chez is chez. His role claima are always incredibly difficult to actually nail down and while he's rattling off about bombs its very easy for FF to come in a clearly state he's a hatter and just by the lack of fluff with his claim he's got more credibility than chez.

Alright so his claim is null then, why does it make him mafia that he claimed? Cause I believe that’s what you are saying

No I had FF as red well before his claim.

You imply that there’s something wrong with his claim when it’s actually his play that’s wrong and the claim is null but you didn’t make that clear

Yeah sure sorry for the uncertainty. If he was super townie to me I wouldn't give a shit about his claim but in the context of how he's played so far and how I've been reading him I think his claim is super suspect.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17915 Posts
March 12 2019 19:07 GMT
#7386
On March 13 2019 03:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I also managed to get the hotel wifi to upload the excel to the spreadsheet. It's current as of last Wednesday morning.

Hmmm. Why are the flip colors updated, but not the reads with nightly insights?
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
March 12 2019 19:09 GMT
#7387
On March 13 2019 04:07 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 03:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I also managed to get the hotel wifi to upload the excel to the spreadsheet. It's current as of last Wednesday morning.

Hmmm. Why are the flip colors updated, but not the reads with nightly insights?

What do you mean?

I've got it so that light green means you called a flipped town, green before their death and purple means you scum read a townie who flipped green.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 12 2019 19:25 GMT
#7388
Holyflares case makes sense, from what I remember mocsta is just really bad as town though so like I can totally see him doing this nonsense as town
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 12 2019 19:26 GMT
#7389
Waffley blah blah I know. He’s really active thats kinda the town thing about him
No gg, No skill.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
March 12 2019 19:27 GMT
#7390
On March 12 2019 23:40 Acrofales wrote:
That said, unless we have other reasons for believing chezinu is scum (and I'm not saying there aren't: his filter is all RP and there were town voices at the start of the game calling him out that there was something off about his RP), I'm not sure we're not in the scenario where FF is scum and chez is town. I'm quite sure we're not in the scenario where both are town.

FF's scumlist (other than chezinu) was:

1. Ace
2. Me
3. LS

Ace flipped town. I'm town, and LS is very likely town. So if FF is town and chez is town, they had to have a VERY good reason for wanting to kill TT to not take out 2 townies by shooting FF.

But FF could very well be mafia doing some bizarre 1:1 play. I've seen it done before. Most notably, Risen in Chrono trigger mafia completely randomly claimed parity cop on me and a townie (I was 3P), giving rise to the most bizarre part of that game (well, other than the scum resurrection at the end). Although at least parity cop is a 2:1 if you play your cards right.

Say this again louder for the people in the back.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
March 12 2019 19:28 GMT
#7391
Oat and Acro, outside of me, who do you think is most likely to pop scum?
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 12 2019 19:35 GMT
#7392
Either tube or chez
No gg, No skill.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17915 Posts
March 12 2019 19:35 GMT
#7393
On March 13 2019 04:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 04:07 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I also managed to get the hotel wifi to upload the excel to the spreadsheet. It's current as of last Wednesday morning.

Hmmm. Why are the flip colors updated, but not the reads with nightly insights?

What do you mean?

I've got it so that light green means you called a flipped town, green before their death and purple means you scum read a townie who flipped green.

But you didn't update the reads list with progressing reads from ppl.

I'm out to watch Captain Marvel. Cya.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17915 Posts
March 12 2019 19:36 GMT
#7394
On March 13 2019 04:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Oat and Acro, outside of me, who do you think is most likely to pop scum?

DF
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 12 2019 19:36 GMT
#7395
Oh dang never mind forgot about slam, I’d say he’s 100% scum master
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 12 2019 19:37 GMT
#7396
Who said that his scum meta is bad?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 12 2019 19:37 GMT
#7397
Er by bad I mean he doesn’t really post as scum
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 12 2019 19:37 GMT
#7398
On March 13 2019 04:35 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 04:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 13 2019 04:07 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2019 03:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I also managed to get the hotel wifi to upload the excel to the spreadsheet. It's current as of last Wednesday morning.

Hmmm. Why are the flip colors updated, but not the reads with nightly insights?

What do you mean?

I've got it so that light green means you called a flipped town, green before their death and purple means you scum read a townie who flipped green.

But you didn't update the reads list with progressing reads from ppl.

I'm out to watch Captain Marvel. Cya.

Good movie
No gg, No skill.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6785 Posts
March 12 2019 19:37 GMT
#7399
On March 13 2019 04:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Either tube or chez


On March 13 2019 04:36 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 04:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Oat and Acro, outside of me, who do you think is most likely to pop scum?

DF


I think of those three DF is the most likely to be red.

You guys both buy FF's claim?
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 12 2019 19:39 GMT
#7400
On March 13 2019 04:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 04:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Either tube or chez


Show nested quote +
On March 13 2019 04:36 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2019 04:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Oat and Acro, outside of me, who do you think is most likely to pop scum?

DF


I think of those three DF is the most likely to be red.

You guys both buy FF's claim?

Ehh I wanna say there’s a hatter and it might well be FF so meh, I don’t think it’s necessarily fake
No gg, No skill.
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