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I don’t buy the one for one trade. It’s a great idea I’d say it’s FF and at least a nearly universally tonwread player. Or even a player like Ace who’s quite capable and can “wake up” any minute. But I don’t think it’s a good idea for a complete toss up player like Chezinu.
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*Its a great idea, if say it’s for a...
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On March 13 2019 03:15 Acrofales wrote:
@mz: you have 5 minutes to push an updated version of your spreadsheet. Time is ticking.
5 minutes are up already 
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On March 13 2019 03:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 03:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself. Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta. Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim. Why would ff casually cc chez? Because why not? Chez is chez. His role claima are always incredibly difficult to actually nail down and while he's rattling off about bombs its very easy for FF to come in a clearly state he's a hatter and just by the lack of fluff with his claim he's got more credibility than chez.
Alright so his claim is null then, why does it make him mafia that he claimed? Cause I believe that’s what you are saying
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This should have been easy to update. Where is it?
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On March 13 2019 03:19 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 03:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself. Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta. Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim. It's the last game most likely for TL Mafia and Rels brought up the point that he could break his meta for the final hurrah. Why you don't believe FF's claim? Because I had a pretty strong red read on FF. Besides this town so far has been remarkably willing to accept role claims (that's neither good nor bad, I've just been part of towns in the past that were suspicious as shit of all claims). Besides hatter is a great scum claim bc it conveniently explains why you don't get NK'd and vigis are more nervous to shoot you. I also don't like Rel for town very much, the traitor role has already flipped and someone pointed out scum mason would be a great role for helping the mafia team find the traitor. Similarly I absolutely do not under any circumstances consider pandain townconfirmed, especially since he wasnt shot last night and tumble was. Why would FF do that when the vigs all outed themselves???? If Rels is mafia you would have to assume that magfia didn't know who the traitor is but know there is a traitor so why would he recruit his townreads in Tina (rsoultin), Rayn and later recruited me?
How do you know all the vigis are outed? Its a closed setup. And if hes scum, he probably just recruits people he thinks he can influence. Like mafia can say "these are my townreads" and always be right lol.
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On March 13 2019 03:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 03:19 LightningStrike wrote:On March 13 2019 03:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself. Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta. Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim. It's the last game most likely for TL Mafia and Rels brought up the point that he could break his meta for the final hurrah. Why you don't believe FF's claim? Because I had a pretty strong red read on FF. Besides this town so far has been remarkably willing to accept role claims (that's neither good nor bad, I've just been part of towns in the past that were suspicious as shit of all claims). Besides hatter is a great scum claim bc it conveniently explains why you don't get NK'd and vigis are more nervous to shoot you. I also don't like Rel for town very much, the traitor role has already flipped and someone pointed out scum mason would be a great role for helping the mafia team find the traitor. Similarly I absolutely do not under any circumstances consider pandain townconfirmed, especially since he wasnt shot last night and tumble was. Why would FF do that when the vigs all outed themselves???? If Rels is mafia you would have to assume that magfia didn't know who the traitor is but know there is a traitor so why would he recruit his townreads in Tina (rsoultin), Rayn and later recruited me? How do you know all the vigis are outed? Its a closed setup. And if hes scum, he probably just recruits people he thinks he can influence. Like mafia can say "these are my townreads" and always be right lol.
But if he's recruiting rsoultin, he isn't using it to hunt for the traitor...
Or if he is, he's being really bad at it.
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On March 13 2019 03:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 03:19 LightningStrike wrote:On March 13 2019 03:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself. Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta. Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim. It's the last game most likely for TL Mafia and Rels brought up the point that he could break his meta for the final hurrah. Why you don't believe FF's claim? Because I had a pretty strong red read on FF. Besides this town so far has been remarkably willing to accept role claims (that's neither good nor bad, I've just been part of towns in the past that were suspicious as shit of all claims). Besides hatter is a great scum claim bc it conveniently explains why you don't get NK'd and vigis are more nervous to shoot you. I also don't like Rel for town very much, the traitor role has already flipped and someone pointed out scum mason would be a great role for helping the mafia team find the traitor. Similarly I absolutely do not under any circumstances consider pandain townconfirmed, especially since he wasnt shot last night and tumble was. Why would FF do that when the vigs all outed themselves???? If Rels is mafia you would have to assume that magfia didn't know who the traitor is but know there is a traitor so why would he recruit his townreads in Tina (rsoultin), Rayn and later recruited me? How do you know all the vigis are outed? Its a closed setup. And if hes scum, he probably just recruits people he thinks he can influence. Like mafia can say "these are my townreads" and always be right lol.
Also, what are your townreads? 
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On March 13 2019 03:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 03:19 LightningStrike wrote:On March 13 2019 03:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself. Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta. Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim. It's the last game most likely for TL Mafia and Rels brought up the point that he could break his meta for the final hurrah. Why you don't believe FF's claim? Because I had a pretty strong red read on FF. Besides this town so far has been remarkably willing to accept role claims (that's neither good nor bad, I've just been part of towns in the past that were suspicious as shit of all claims). Besides hatter is a great scum claim bc it conveniently explains why you don't get NK'd and vigis are more nervous to shoot you. I also don't like Rel for town very much, the traitor role has already flipped and someone pointed out scum mason would be a great role for helping the mafia team find the traitor. Similarly I absolutely do not under any circumstances consider pandain townconfirmed, especially since he wasnt shot last night and tumble was. Why would FF do that when the vigs all outed themselves???? If Rels is mafia you would have to assume that magfia didn't know who the traitor is but know there is a traitor so why would he recruit his townreads in Tina (rsoultin), Rayn and later recruited me? How do you know all the vigis are outed? Its a closed setup. And if hes scum, he probably just recruits people he thinks he can influence. Like mafia can say "these are my townreads" and always be right lol.
Didn’t you just say that mafia can use the mason to find the traitor? Ibut now you are saying use it for influence?
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On March 13 2019 03:23 Acrofales wrote:This should have been easy to update. Where is it?
As much as I hate people who use IRL as an excuse, I have flown a sortie every day since last Wednesday. I ended up being a lot busier on this trip than I was anticipating so I have not updated it, nor have I had my computer on in a week.
I've basically just had time to catch up at the end of the day and throw out some thoughts. If people don't find this to be a compelling reason I'm fine flipping now since we aren't at lylo.
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Also it’s a little hard to hunt for the traitor since you keep adding people to the mason group so like cmon dude, that’s a ridiculous idea
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On March 13 2019 03:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 03:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 03:19 LightningStrike wrote:On March 13 2019 03:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself. Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta. Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim. It's the last game most likely for TL Mafia and Rels brought up the point that he could break his meta for the final hurrah. Why you don't believe FF's claim? Because I had a pretty strong red read on FF. Besides this town so far has been remarkably willing to accept role claims (that's neither good nor bad, I've just been part of towns in the past that were suspicious as shit of all claims). Besides hatter is a great scum claim bc it conveniently explains why you don't get NK'd and vigis are more nervous to shoot you. I also don't like Rel for town very much, the traitor role has already flipped and someone pointed out scum mason would be a great role for helping the mafia team find the traitor. Similarly I absolutely do not under any circumstances consider pandain townconfirmed, especially since he wasnt shot last night and tumble was. Why would FF do that when the vigs all outed themselves???? If Rels is mafia you would have to assume that magfia didn't know who the traitor is but know there is a traitor so why would he recruit his townreads in Tina (rsoultin), Rayn and later recruited me? How do you know all the vigis are outed? Its a closed setup. And if hes scum, he probably just recruits people he thinks he can influence. Like mafia can say "these are my townreads" and always be right lol. Didn’t you just say that mafia can use the mason to find the traitor? Ibut now you are saying use it for influence?
Yeah absolutely, scum mason is obviously a thing. I don't understand where you're getting lost. The presence of a traitor gives the idea scum would have a way to contact them credit. Whether they use the mason to try and hunt the traitor is another matter entirely.
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On March 13 2019 03:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 03:23 Acrofales wrote:This should have been easy to update. Where is it? As much as I hate people who use IRL as an excuse, I have flown a sortie every day since last Wednesday. I ended up being a lot busier on this trip than I was anticipating so I have not updated it, nor have I had my computer on in a week. I've basically just had time to catch up at the end of the day and throw out some thoughts. If people don't find this to be a compelling reason I'm fine flipping now since we aren't at lylo.
That's okay, I wasn't expecting a fully updated version, but you took the time to mention that you had an Excel that was more updated than this. Please sync.
You have another 5 minutes.
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On March 13 2019 03:26 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 03:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 03:19 LightningStrike wrote:On March 13 2019 03:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 03:06 LightningStrike wrote:On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself. Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta. Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim. It's the last game most likely for TL Mafia and Rels brought up the point that he could break his meta for the final hurrah. Why you don't believe FF's claim? Because I had a pretty strong red read on FF. Besides this town so far has been remarkably willing to accept role claims (that's neither good nor bad, I've just been part of towns in the past that were suspicious as shit of all claims). Besides hatter is a great scum claim bc it conveniently explains why you don't get NK'd and vigis are more nervous to shoot you. I also don't like Rel for town very much, the traitor role has already flipped and someone pointed out scum mason would be a great role for helping the mafia team find the traitor. Similarly I absolutely do not under any circumstances consider pandain townconfirmed, especially since he wasnt shot last night and tumble was. Why would FF do that when the vigs all outed themselves???? If Rels is mafia you would have to assume that magfia didn't know who the traitor is but know there is a traitor so why would he recruit his townreads in Tina (rsoultin), Rayn and later recruited me? How do you know all the vigis are outed? Its a closed setup. And if hes scum, he probably just recruits people he thinks he can influence. Like mafia can say "these are my townreads" and always be right lol. Also, what are your townreads?
In no particular order I've got LS, oats, acro, and grack. I'm on the fence with vivax
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On March 13 2019 03:22 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 03:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 03:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 13 2019 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 02:47 LightningStrike wrote:
We do have to kill Chez because despite his Meta Tell FF should of died if Chez is town based on the claims. MZ can be saved for Day 5 or so but right now we have to solve the brown himself. Here's my proposal, kill me today and then kill one of my red reads day 5. If chez is actually scum he will have broken like a decade of meta. Also for the record I have a very hard time believing FFs claim. Why would ff casually cc chez? Because why not? Chez is chez. His role claima are always incredibly difficult to actually nail down and while he's rattling off about bombs its very easy for FF to come in a clearly state he's a hatter and just by the lack of fluff with his claim he's got more credibility than chez. Alright so his claim is null then, why does it make him mafia that he claimed? Cause I believe that’s what you are saying
No I had FF as red well before his claim.
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On March 13 2019 03:29 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 03:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 13 2019 03:23 Acrofales wrote:This should have been easy to update. Where is it? As much as I hate people who use IRL as an excuse, I have flown a sortie every day since last Wednesday. I ended up being a lot busier on this trip than I was anticipating so I have not updated it, nor have I had my computer on in a week. I've basically just had time to catch up at the end of the day and throw out some thoughts. If people don't find this to be a compelling reason I'm fine flipping now since we aren't at lylo. That's okay, I wasn't expecting a fully updated version, but you took the time to mention that you had an Excel that was more updated than this. Please sync. You have another 5 minutes.
Yeah that one hasn't been updated since my post about th3 excel sheet but I'll boot my computer up and see if I can find some hotel wifi
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Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
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On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people?
I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho.
Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
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On March 13 2019 03:40 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2019 03:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Acro and oats are either of you looking for reads on particular people? I'm mainly looking for reads on you with this line of questioning. Any insight into the wagons of the day would be appreciated tho. Those seem to be: you, TS, Chez, DF, maybe FF, maybe Slam.
I've had chez as town since d1, i wouldn't feel comfortable lynching into him until it was like 2v1 and I had a strong read on the other person.
I still think FF is scum.
I reread DF earlier today, i wouldn't put him as my number 1 scum read but he definitely pushed a lot of bad wagons that ended up on town.
I have no idea how to read slam
TS could be scum.
Also another note on rels: why in the world was rsoul shot instead of him? Like the whole mason thing pretty much confirmed her as town in many people's eyes but then scum shot TT and Ace instead of any other claims?
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I also managed to get the hotel wifi to upload the excel to the spreadsheet. It's current as of last Wednesday morning.
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