EPT[GSL 2018] Season 3 - Quarterfinals Day 1 - Page 2
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seopthi
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Elentos
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On August 28 2018 03:04 seopthi wrote: If Leenock is out, any chance they can bring Stats and Zest instead of a DQ? It's theoretically possible, but it seems a bit unfair to cut down so much on their practice time on such short notice. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On August 28 2018 02:58 Charoisaur wrote: I think in macro games his chances are better. How can you beat the best lategame player of all time of all RTS games in longer games? You guys forget that Rogue is the best lategame Zerg out there. Still think Neeb can beat him there. Ether way, Neeb 3-1 Rogue Leenock 1-3 TY Neeb has not lost PvZ's lately at all (he did lose 0-3 to Scarlett in MC S3 but then sweeped her 4-0 in WCS NA Challenger, so 4-3 which is still a win overall in my book), so I think he got this against Rogue. If TY doesn't win against Leenock now when Leenock has health issues than TY just sucks balls. No offense Leenock, but TY would be favored against you even if you didn't have health issues On August 28 2018 02:16 Rodya wrote: Assuming that Leenock plays. Bummer that Jaedong's KSL series is at the same time as this. Rain vs Jaedong is on the 30th this is on the 29th | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8978 Posts
On August 27 2018 23:14 FrkFrJss wrote: Neeb is the only foreigner in LotV to have taken multiple matches off of Rogue (he's lost matches here and there as well as maps, but none more than to Neeb). Rogue is 9-7 against Neeb and 3-3 in matches. If there's any foreigner aside from Serral who can give Rogue trouble, it's Neeb. And Leenock...well he almost won against Maru. Don't know how he'll do now. Also, in what world does Neeb not win against aLive and Losira? Rogue wasn't good when they played at kespa cup. Neeb did beat him 2-1 at blizzcon but then went 0-4 against soO and Rogue right after. It seems Rogue realised if you don't let protoss get the best army in the game then you might win. As far as leenock almost beating Maru, so did Zanster and Reynor. It may not mean as much as people think. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On August 28 2018 04:44 Fango wrote: Rogue wasn't good when they played at kespa cup. Neeb did beat him 2-1 at blizzcon but then went 0-4 against soO and Rogue right after. It seems Rogue realised if you don't let protoss get the best army in the game then you might win. As far as leenock almost beating Maru, so did Zanster and Reynor. It may not mean as much as people think. I think it means that Maru isn't invincible in TvZ. Right, which is why most people are thinking Rogue cheeses Neeb or does some weird midgame push with like swarmhosts or something. Though to that lategame point, Rogue had gone lategame with Stats and won. But that's why some people are saying if Neeb can make it to the late game, he has a chance. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8978 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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Rodya
546 Posts
By the way neeb beat scarlett in a series with no implications on 150ms. He lost to her on a very meaningful match at a LAN. | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
On August 28 2018 02:58 Charoisaur wrote: I think in macro games his chances are better. How can you beat the best lategame player of all time of all RTS games in longer games? You are forgetting Flash, among others. Rogue is better at lategame than Neeb though, you're right. | ||
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ValM
India408 Posts
On August 28 2018 08:46 brickrd wrote: do terrans just do this with every elite terran player? "if anyone beats them it means nothing because they're permanently scientifically better"? you hear this shit about Inno constantly too No they do not. And Fango specifically mentioned Maru and that he had looked not so solid against Patience and Zanster but went on to defeat Classic and Rogue the best in their races respectively. Which other terran have you seen get to Ro4 and above with this consistency? On another note if you watch the games themselves there is a world of a difference in Maru's play and his victories in playoffs which is because of overall a lot stronger solid play, BoX planning mixing in/faking cheese, reacting to him getting cheesed etc. In comparison his play in the group stages almost looks like he freestyles and makes decisions on the fly. He almost lost to leenock because: Game 1: He killed leenock straight up with his 2-1-1 2 Tank timing Game 2: He stubbornly did the exact same build game 2 which leenock shut down and won in the lategame Game 3: Leenock went for roach ravagers which Maru probably did not scout early enough and barely defended with Leenock making some mistakes as well That was the sequence of events and thus Maru's not invincible for sure but thats the level of his dominance that we have to nitpick the manner in which hes winning. | ||
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BigRedDog
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On August 28 2018 09:20 Rodya wrote: You are forgetting Flash, among others. Rogue is better at lategame than Neeb though, you're right. No he's not, Rogue has never beaten Neeb if the game goes past the mid game. He only beats Neeb by cheesing or all-ins. On August 28 2018 09:37 BigRedDog wrote: Has Rogue ever beat Neeb in late game? If Rogue enters late game with lead against Neeb Rogue > Neeb If Rogue enters late game with no lead against Neeb Neeb > Rogue If Neeb enters late game with lead against Rogue Neeb > Rogue | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17578 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15828 Posts
On August 28 2018 08:46 brickrd wrote: do terrans just do this with every elite terran player? "if anyone beats them it means nothing because they're permanently scientifically better"? you hear this shit about Inno constantly too Ah you're right, Reynor and Zanster are almost as good as Maru because they almost beat him. Patience is much better than Zest because he put up much more of a fight against Maru. Leenock is a much better lategame player than Maru because he beat him in the one long game. My bad, I should've realized that. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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