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Pandemona
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Poll: Neeb vs Rogue Rogue Wins (64) Neeb Wins (27) 91 total votes Your vote: Neeb vs Rogue | ||
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Cokefreak
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Rogue & TY for reality. I don't see much of a world where these matches aren't one-sided. Two arguably top 5 LotV players vs two guys most didn't expect to even make ro16. But TY can always throw a 2-0 lead and Rogue can always randomly play like shit, so maybe. | ||
CynicalDeath
Italy3392 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Ej_
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On August 27 2018 20:27 Ej_ wrote: Can't believe people give Neeb even 1 map vs Rogue. Neeb beat Rogue offline in china not long ago, they traded series at Blizzcon, Aligulac only gives Rogue a slight edge. Rogue is the favourite but it is a possible Neeb could win. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
 Neeb 1-3  RogueLeenock 1-3  TYNeeb will probably get at least 1 map. I was pulling for Leenock but with news of him being in the hospital idk. Even if he wasn't hospitalized, I figured he'd have a tough time. TY has been my darkhorse to win this season since the ro16, he's in very good shape. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
Too late | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
OK, I won't. | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On August 27 2018 19:49 Fango wrote: Neeb & Leenock for hype. Rogue & TY for reality. I don't see much of a world where these matches aren't one-sided. Two arguably top 5 LotV players vs two guys most didn't expect to even make ro16. But TY can always throw a 2-0 lead and Rogue can always randomly play like shit, so maybe. Neeb is the only foreigner in LotV to have taken multiple matches off of Rogue (he's lost matches here and there as well as maps, but none more than to Neeb). Rogue is 9-7 against Neeb and 3-3 in matches. If there's any foreigner aside from Serral who can give Rogue trouble, it's Neeb. And Leenock...well he almost won against Maru. Don't know how he'll do now. Also, in what world does Neeb not win against aLive and Losira? | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
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CynicalDeath
Italy3392 Posts
On August 28 2018 00:20 yht9657 wrote: Leenock in hospital, anyone knows what happened to him? Is he gonna be able to play? from what I understood he should have kidneys' stones so nothing too serious but not a walk in the park | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2647 Posts
On August 28 2018 01:35 CynicalDeath wrote: from what I understood he should have kidneys' stones so nothing too serious but not a walk in the park https://twitter.com/tommygun_SC2/status/1033953345206198272 That shit hurts like a bitch, hope he is okay. | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
Neeb 0 - 3 Rogue Leenock 2 - 3 TY Assuming that Leenock plays. Bummer that Jaedong's KSL series is at the same time as this. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On August 27 2018 20:31 Zaros wrote: Neeb beat Rogue offline in china not long ago, they traded series at Blizzcon, Aligulac only gives Rogue a slight edge. Rogue is the favourite but it is a possible Neeb could win. In online matches or even weekend tournaments I could see Neeb win but I think Rogue will prepare heavily for this which makes him hugely favored. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On August 27 2018 20:19 Zaros wrote: I think TY has to beat Leenock, Rogue vs Neeb is closer than people think. If Rogue just plays macro games Neeb will have a good shot, if he throws in some cheese then Neeb might be in trouble. I think in macro games his chances are better. How can you beat the best lategame player of all time of all RTS games in longer games? | ||
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seopthi
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Elentos
55550 Posts
On August 28 2018 03:04 seopthi wrote: If Leenock is out, any chance they can bring Stats and Zest instead of a DQ? It's theoretically possible, but it seems a bit unfair to cut down so much on their practice time on such short notice. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On August 28 2018 02:58 Charoisaur wrote: I think in macro games his chances are better. How can you beat the best lategame player of all time of all RTS games in longer games? You guys forget that Rogue is the best lategame Zerg out there. Still think Neeb can beat him there. Ether way, Neeb 3-1 Rogue Leenock 1-3 TY Neeb has not lost PvZ's lately at all (he did lose 0-3 to Scarlett in MC S3 but then sweeped her 4-0 in WCS NA Challenger, so 4-3 which is still a win overall in my book), so I think he got this against Rogue. If TY doesn't win against Leenock now when Leenock has health issues than TY just sucks balls. No offense Leenock, but TY would be favored against you even if you didn't have health issues On August 28 2018 02:16 Rodya wrote: Assuming that Leenock plays. Bummer that Jaedong's KSL series is at the same time as this. Rain vs Jaedong is on the 30th this is on the 29th | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On August 27 2018 23:14 FrkFrJss wrote: Neeb is the only foreigner in LotV to have taken multiple matches off of Rogue (he's lost matches here and there as well as maps, but none more than to Neeb). Rogue is 9-7 against Neeb and 3-3 in matches. If there's any foreigner aside from Serral who can give Rogue trouble, it's Neeb. And Leenock...well he almost won against Maru. Don't know how he'll do now. Also, in what world does Neeb not win against aLive and Losira? Rogue wasn't good when they played at kespa cup. Neeb did beat him 2-1 at blizzcon but then went 0-4 against soO and Rogue right after. It seems Rogue realised if you don't let protoss get the best army in the game then you might win. As far as leenock almost beating Maru, so did Zanster and Reynor. It may not mean as much as people think. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On August 28 2018 04:44 Fango wrote: Rogue wasn't good when they played at kespa cup. Neeb did beat him 2-1 at blizzcon but then went 0-4 against soO and Rogue right after. It seems Rogue realised if you don't let protoss get the best army in the game then you might win. As far as leenock almost beating Maru, so did Zanster and Reynor. It may not mean as much as people think. I think it means that Maru isn't invincible in TvZ. Right, which is why most people are thinking Rogue cheeses Neeb or does some weird midgame push with like swarmhosts or something. Though to that lategame point, Rogue had gone lategame with Stats and won. But that's why some people are saying if Neeb can make it to the late game, he has a chance. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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Rodya
546 Posts
By the way neeb beat scarlett in a series with no implications on 150ms. He lost to her on a very meaningful match at a LAN. | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
On August 28 2018 02:58 Charoisaur wrote: I think in macro games his chances are better. How can you beat the best lategame player of all time of all RTS games in longer games? You are forgetting Flash, among others. Rogue is better at lategame than Neeb though, you're right. | ||
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ValM
India408 Posts
On August 28 2018 08:46 brickrd wrote: do terrans just do this with every elite terran player? "if anyone beats them it means nothing because they're permanently scientifically better"? you hear this shit about Inno constantly too No they do not. And Fango specifically mentioned Maru and that he had looked not so solid against Patience and Zanster but went on to defeat Classic and Rogue the best in their races respectively. Which other terran have you seen get to Ro4 and above with this consistency? On another note if you watch the games themselves there is a world of a difference in Maru's play and his victories in playoffs which is because of overall a lot stronger solid play, BoX planning mixing in/faking cheese, reacting to him getting cheesed etc. In comparison his play in the group stages almost looks like he freestyles and makes decisions on the fly. He almost lost to leenock because: Game 1: He killed leenock straight up with his 2-1-1 2 Tank timing Game 2: He stubbornly did the exact same build game 2 which leenock shut down and won in the lategame Game 3: Leenock went for roach ravagers which Maru probably did not scout early enough and barely defended with Leenock making some mistakes as well That was the sequence of events and thus Maru's not invincible for sure but thats the level of his dominance that we have to nitpick the manner in which hes winning. | ||
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BigRedDog
461 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On August 28 2018 09:20 Rodya wrote: You are forgetting Flash, among others. Rogue is better at lategame than Neeb though, you're right. No he's not, Rogue has never beaten Neeb if the game goes past the mid game. He only beats Neeb by cheesing or all-ins. On August 28 2018 09:37 BigRedDog wrote: Has Rogue ever beat Neeb in late game? If Rogue enters late game with lead against Neeb Rogue > Neeb If Rogue enters late game with no lead against Neeb Neeb > Rogue If Neeb enters late game with lead against Rogue Neeb > Rogue | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On August 28 2018 08:46 brickrd wrote: do terrans just do this with every elite terran player? "if anyone beats them it means nothing because they're permanently scientifically better"? you hear this shit about Inno constantly too Ah you're right, Reynor and Zanster are almost as good as Maru because they almost beat him. Patience is much better than Zest because he put up much more of a fight against Maru. Leenock is a much better lategame player than Maru because he beat him in the one long game. My bad, I should've realized that. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4948 Posts
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
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Colouss
United States501 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
On August 28 2018 18:09 repomaniak wrote: Yeah somebody has to add it. It is such a good quarterfinals too! this event is still not added in "upcoming events" | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24202 Posts
On August 28 2018 18:09 repomaniak wrote: this event is still not added in "upcoming events" has been fixed very interesting ro8. I wish Leenock was in top shape though. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 28 2018 02:13 Lexender wrote: That shit hurts like a bitch, hope he is okay. yeah when I had them once there was no way I'd be able to focus on playing a high level tournament game. just felt like laying down and was chugging water | ||
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DieuCure
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBBBBBBBBBBBBB | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On August 29 2018 06:50 Shellshock wrote: yeah when I had them once there was no way I'd be able to focus on playing a high level tournament game. just felt like laying down and was chugging water Maybe a mild brush with his own mortality will vitalize his play. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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RAPiDCasting
Korea (South)594 Posts
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uummpaa
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the most tense thing in the game for me is when he is winning the first to maps in a BO5 convincingly ^^ as for neeb vs rouge, i have no strong opinion, i just hope for good games, so not rouge cheesing neeb in game 1 and he goes full tilt the next two maps (i.e. the dark maneuver) | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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sneakyfox
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
edit: NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEB | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
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Durnuu
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https://twitter.com/DoubleDBChoi | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
The dis is real Sad thing is, that's not a totally outrageous a statement at all. We've lost so many good Korean Zergs ;; | ||
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Weavel
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Yonnua
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:39 Yonnua wrote: Neither of these players has made Ro4 GSL before- both have won a GSL Special Tournament. Kespa cup wasn't a GSL event | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
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Yonnua
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:43 Olli wrote: Scarlett 3-0ing Neeb in Masters Coliseum doesn't bode well for him. he did 4:0 her the same day right?  ))) | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
Edit: Neeb opens oracle into phoenix, rogue going 2 base lair. | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:43 Yonnua wrote: Standard fast expand openings- nothing crazy before the 2 minute mark. Not standard - Rogue went 15 hatch | ||
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Durnuu
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darklycid
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Olli
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Weavel
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Parrek
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Olli
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Die4Ever
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Weavel
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busyghost
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Olli
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
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Die4Ever
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starcraft355113
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Neeb playing unceremoniously solidly, Rogue executing an unsound strategy poorly | ||
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GreasedUpDeafGuy
United States398 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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sneakyfox
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5502 Posts
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24202 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:52 Olli wrote: Ok Rogue. Play a real game now? yes please | ||
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darklycid
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:53 jimminy_kriket wrote: I don't think throw means what you think it does. That was a throw if I've ever seen one. | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:53 Psychonian wrote: That honestly felt like it *could* have worked, but didn't yea it could have worked, vs me lol | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5502 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:53 Weavel wrote: I don't think throw means what you think it does. What I mean is rogue intentionally lost. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
This kind of failed miserably but Rogue was completely unprepared for the adepts so that may have played a factor in the perceived weakness of this build. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
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leublix
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:54 FrkFrJss wrote: At least for the first game, I really like Neeb's building placement at the front. It's specifically designed to defend against pressure. no, it was a mistake | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:53 Weavel wrote: I don't think throw means what you think it does. "throwing" meant purposely losing the game before it ever meant losing from a winning position. i don't think he means rogue fixed the match (pls read this sentence carefully as im not implying anything on this sensitive topic), but you can certainly say that he threw the game away by choosing a worthless strategy | ||
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darklycid
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:54 Olli wrote: I don't say this a lot, but this wouldn't have worked against me. It's just not a build. I think it was meant as a blind counter build to Zealot/Archon meta. What Neeb went for was nearly a hard counter. | ||
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dankobanana
Croatia238 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:55 brickrd wrote: "throwing" meant purposely losing the game before it ever meant losing from a winning position. i don't think he means rogue fixed the match, but you can certainly say that he threw the game away by choosing a worthless strategy by that definition, most games are throws | ||
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Durnuu
13320 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:56 Vindicare605 wrote: I think it was meant as a blind counter build to Zealot/Archon meta. What Neeb went for was nearly a hard counter. Neeb does this adept thing almost every PvZ though, this was just stupid from Rogue | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:56 Vindicare605 wrote: I think it was meant as a blind counter build to Zealot/Archon meta. What Neeb went for was nearly a hard counter. It doesn't counter charge/archon either. This 2 base roach thing outright loses to 2/3 standard builds in the PvZ meta. The third you just don't do against 2 base zerg. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On August 29 2018 18:56 Durnuu wrote: Neeb does this adept thing almost every PvZ though, this was just stupid from Rogue Oh I absolutely agree. If I was a pro Zerg I'd be speedling/baneling pressuring Neeb in every game. Adept pressure is his bread and butter. | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
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starcraft355113
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FrostedMiniWheats
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starcraft355113
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On August 29 2018 18:57 Weavel wrote: Weird to see these early adepts doing any damage to zerg. Rogue feels off today. Amen. Losing four Drones to the initial Oracle in game one is unacceptable for someone who can play as well as Rogue has demonstrated that he's capable of. | ||
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busyghost
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Vindicare605
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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sneakyfox
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On August 29 2018 19:03 busyghost wrote: lol, i'm mot in front of the screen, what is the current situation like? Rogue showed up | ||
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darklycid
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[PkF] Wire
France24202 Posts
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leublix
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Weavel
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:03 busyghost wrote: lol, i'm mot in front of the screen, what is the current situation like? surprise mutas, lurkers at home for defense | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5502 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:03 busyghost wrote: lol, i'm mot in front of the screen, what is the current situation like? 1-1. Rogue won with surprise mutas. Haven't really seen a game where someone won an "honorable macro game" | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:10 Olli wrote: Zest is bringing this double archon drop build back. It's actually strong. Everybody and their mother has been doing it on this map for months. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:11 Odoakar wrote: I can barely hear artosis from the loud ingame music. Yeah the sound levels are messed up today. GSL sound guy, please! | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:10 Ej_ wrote: Everybody and their mother has been doing it on this map for months. Not map specific. | ||
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Terra1
Philippines312 Posts
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litLikeBic
Canada105 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:06 jimminy_kriket wrote: Yup. Wonder how much he made to drop the first game. that's what i was thinking, too :\ | ||
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leublix
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Ej_
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Do not worry. He's in a terrible spot in game 3 too. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Durnuu
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Phredxor
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FrostedMiniWheats
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Die4Ever
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Ej_
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On August 29 2018 19:16 Phredxor wrote: But guys Rogue is a bonjwa neeb is bonjwer UNITED STATES | ||
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Die4Ever
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:17 Die4Ever wrote: worthless spire It got scouted by the zealots during the attack. If Neeb didn't decide to move out and pressure like that he might have been blindsided. Good play by Neeb | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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Ej_
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On August 29 2018 19:18 Terra1 wrote: Mutalisks didn't do anything or much, just killed a warp prism. Died to storm and archons. Why not a transition to hydra den instead of a spire? because it's even more shit vs storm | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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darklycid
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Penev
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On August 29 2018 19:14 Ej_ wrote: Do not worry. He's in a terrible spot in game 3 too. your ass goes down in the 1st.. AND the 3rd | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:18 Terra1 wrote: Mutalisks didn't do anything or much, just killed a warp prism. Died to storm and archons. Why not a transition to hydra den instead of a spire? Not really Rogue's fault. Neeb attacked right when he could've used the spire so he had to use his gas on ravagers to live. His plans just kinda got foiled and he ended up just ditching it and using it to kill the prism. | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:18 Terra1 wrote: Mutalisks didn't do anything or much, just killed a warp prism. Died to storm and archons. Why not a transition to hydra den instead of a spire? I think it's because he knew Neeb didn't already have a SG. That means he has a much bigger window for mutas if Neeb doesn't scout it (which would have been hard if Neeb wasn't going double WP and pressuring everywhere). Just turned out Rogue didn't expect it and had to make units instead of mutas | ||
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leublix
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:18 Parrek wrote: It got scouted by the zealots during the attack. If Neeb didn't decide to move out and pressure like that he might have been blindsided. Good play by Neeb I like the decision making to go for the attack. Neeb knew that he was in trouble from a strategic perspective with archons and no other tech. He needed to make something happen, otherwise Rogue would have the economic advantage. By going for the big attack and and using multi-pronged harass, he put Rogue off tempo and made Rogue make roaches and delay eco. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
Pulp Fiction quote? lol | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
The worst Pulp Fiction story arc for the worst player in ro8. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:22 Ej_ wrote: The worst Pulp Fiction story arc for the worst player in ro8. Bitch plz. Butch > Vincent | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
I could write a blog on why Butch's arc sucked ass compared to the rest ;o. In fact, I think the film would be better with parts of it cut out. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:21 FrkFrJss wrote: I like the decision making to go for the attack. Neeb knew that he was in trouble from a strategic perspective with archons and no other tech. He needed to make something happen, otherwise Rogue would have the economic advantage. By going for the big attack and and using multi-pronged harass, he put Rogue off tempo and made Rogue make roaches and delay eco. Neeb actually had great economy the whole game cos Rogue opened overlord speed which isn't as good against DT drop because you're economy is worse PLUS you need to make tons of roaches to live. Just kind of a tough game for Rogue in general. Also, im 100% sure Neeb planned to hit that timing attack from the beginning, i've been seeing it a lot with this small resurgence of DT drop in PvZ rn. | ||
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The_Templar
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:25 The_Templar wrote: Good morning everyone. How have the games been so far? Game 1 best game of the year | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:23 Ej_ wrote: I could write a blog on why Butch's arc sucked ass compared to the rest ;o. In fact, I think the film would be better with parts of it cut out. and I would just reply with the watch scene. You lose | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 29 2018 19:25 The_Templar wrote: Good morning everyone. How have the games been so far? bad | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:25 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: and I would just reply with the watch scene. You lose The completely out of place, stretched out cameo, put in just to make you feel a bit more empathy towards the cardboard character of Butch? No way. That scene is very fucking far from Oklahoma. | ||
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Parrek
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On August 29 2018 19:25 The_Templar wrote: Good morning everyone. How have the games been so far? Game 3 was fun. Games 1 and 2 were meh. Game 2 is okay if you're bored. Game 1 was just weird in a bad way. | ||
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Die4Ever
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On August 29 2018 19:25 The_Templar wrote: Good morning everyone. How have the games been so far? pretty bad lol, hopefully Leenock vs TY brings the hype | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On August 29 2018 19:26 Ej_ wrote: The completely out of place, stretched out cameo, put in just to make you feel a bit more empathy towards the cardboarc character of Butch? No way. :Owat?! It completely sets up the whole arc as to why + Show Spoiler + 1) Butch goes back for the watch 2) It gives insight into why he returns to save Marcellus | ||
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Shellshock
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On August 29 2018 19:16 Phredxor wrote: But guys Rogue is a bonjwa Writers were RIGHT HES a FRAUD | ||
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Neeb is just the great American hero we've been looking forward to in these dark times. | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:28 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: :Owat?! It completely sets up the whole arc as to why + Show Spoiler + 1) Butch goes back for the watch 2) It gives insight into why he returns to save Marcellus To me, his entire story is just a very elaborate set up to have: + Show Spoiler [spoilers for 20 years old movie] + 1) Travolta be gunned down by Willis 2) The Zedd Basement scene The character of Butch and his GF aren't nearly as captivating in their appearance as any other in the story. Fucking Tarantino's cameo where he keeps repeating the N word is better. Also the cab driver? The film is famous for its dialogues, but the cab drive sequence is just needlessly corn, as to set up the pace of the arc, but it just makes the entire story seem out of place in the context of the film. It just doesn't seem to add anything interesting to Pulp Fiction as a whole for the first 15 or so minutes of the arc. I also think that by stripping Marcelus of his menace, it kind of removes significance of him in other arcs (Vincent's and Jules'), instead of improving them. I hate Butch. | ||
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I dunno Kev | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:36 ByuuN wrote: Now we will have unceremonious 4-0 in semifinal. Yeah, unfortunately Neeb is just too good for these Koreans. | ||
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Damnit Rogue. | ||
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... Rogue, what the hell is this? | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:37 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: Is this gonna be a 3-1? >.< Damnit Rogue. called it | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:37 Terra1 wrote: Ling+Bane+Queen vs Gateway units+Immortals+Archons+Phoenixes ......................................................................... Still waiting for the infestors and ultralisks or something. Where's all the gas going?? | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:36 Ej_ wrote: Dark died for this. It's okay, there's still hope for Gumiho. Maybe it wasn't all in vain | ||
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Parrek
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On August 29 2018 19:38 ShAd_1337 wrote: roque is a retard. just play like dark Seriously, I called this. Rogue didn't cheese Neeb so Rogue will lose. Neeb is really damn good when it's not in the early game | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:38 sneakyfox wrote: Neeb looking super timid. He may do the foreigner anyway Nah, he's handling the engagement really well so far. | ||
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"it's not totally over yet" ha ha ha | ||
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lamehater
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On August 29 2018 19:39 Parrek wrote: Seriously, I called this. Rogue didn't cheese Neeb so Rogue will lose. Neeb is really damn good when it's not in the early game Rogue is, or at least was, really damn good in the lategame as well. Whatever the hell he is doing today, this isn't the Rogue we're used to seeing. | ||
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Parrek
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On August 29 2018 19:38 The_Templar wrote: Still waiting for the infestors and ultralisks or something. Where's all the gas going?? I think Neeb just shut down Rogue's eco really hard with the phoenix. Like he really couldn't do that much | ||
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Die4Ever
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On August 29 2018 19:39 Olli wrote: Rogue played terribly today. possibly the worst I've seen in GSL quarterfinals in a long time | ||
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On August 28 2018 02:16 Rodya wrote: This is gsl ro8 not a weekend tournament. Rogue's preparation outclasses that of Neeb. Neeb 0 - 3 Rogue Leenock 2 - 3 TY Assuming that Leenock plays. Bummer that Jaedong's KSL series is at the same time as this. Somehow I cannot stop laughing ... I guess Rogue did not try hard enough? | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:40 Durnuu wrote: https://i.imgur.com/d9kaj98.png Found Shellshock's alt. | ||
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Phredxor
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RAH RAH JIN AIR BEST TEAM RAH RAH ROGUE IS A BONJWA | ||
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Durnuu
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Not gonna lie, he was the inspiration for this when I made it after blizzcon  | ||
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Step two complete! | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:40 Xophy wrote: Somehow I cannot stop laughing ... I guess Rogue did not try hard enough? I said earlier, and I've said this about every Zerg Neeb's faced in GSL. The fact they did not cheese Neeb out is exactly why they lost. Rogue played right into Neeb's strength. Maybe Rogue was overconfident in his abilities against Neeb's midgame/lategame toss | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:41 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: wait for all the foreign non-believers start spamming Neeb got into top4 cause Rogue was out of shape don't know if Rogue was out of shape but he did play incredibly bad, far worse than what he usually does ro8 | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On August 29 2018 19:42 Parrek wrote: I said earlier, and I've said this about every Zerg Neeb's faced in GSL. The fact they did not cheese Neeb out is exactly why they lost. Rogue played right into Neeb's strength. Maybe Rogue was overconfident in his abilities against Neeb's midgame/lategame toss Rogue played kind of "cheesy" this entire series tbh. Just not the cheese that Neeb is weak against. | ||
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Parrek
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On August 29 2018 19:42 [PkF] Wire wrote: don't know if Rogue was out of shape but he did play incredibly bad, far worse than what he usually does ro8 Nah. Neeb played really well. Rogue gave Neeb tempo. Exactly what Neeb wants in his PvZ as he's admitted himself. That's on Rogue's preparation and not his play for not trying to play to Neeb's weaknesses | ||
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IshinShishi
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On August 29 2018 19:42 [PkF] Wire wrote: don't know if Rogue was out of shape but he did play incredibly bad, far worse than what he usually does ro8 I think people are missing the point, the level of play has overall gone down quite a bit, not up, despite what tastosis keep saying about this being the best whatever we've ever seen. | ||
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Musicus
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On August 29 2018 19:43 Shellshock wrote: is Neeb a bonjwa? Does beating a bonjwa make you a bonjwa? | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I need Leenock to win even more now. Neeb is legit in PvZ but I really think Leenock can get to the finals now if he just gets past TY No way, this is a free title for TY now. LET'S GO TAE YANG | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:43 blooblooblahblah wrote: Rogue played kind of "cheesy" this entire series tbh. Just not the cheese that Neeb is weak against. I think Rogue needed to do Scarlett level of cheese. | ||
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DieuCure
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On August 29 2018 19:43 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I need Leenock to win even more now. Neeb is legit in PvZ but I really think Leenock can get to the finals now if he just gets past TY Rofl, not cheering for TY is a BIG mistake | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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On August 29 2018 19:42 [PkF] Wire wrote: don't know if Rogue was out of shape but he did play incredibly bad, far worse than what he usually does ro8 yes, and that is exactly the reason Neeb got into TOP4 GSL. Because 1 player played incredibly bad for some unknown reason. facepalm | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On August 29 2018 19:44 FrkFrJss wrote: I think Rogue needed to do Scarlett level of cheese. you mean 0-4 type of cheese vs Neeb? | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:44 Weavel wrote: I really wanted to know how many overlords Neeb killed in that last game. Must be 10-15. There was an archon shooting at a cluster of ovies near the end, and Rogue's supply at the end was like 105 max supply. | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:44 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: yes, and that is exactly the reason Neeb got into TOP4 GSL. Because 1 player played incredibly bad for some unknown reason. facepalm He also got to play Impact, aLive and Reynor ;o | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:43 blooblooblahblah wrote: Rogue played kind of "cheesy" this entire series tbh. Just not the cheese that Neeb is weak against. Nah. Muta isn't really cheesy. Just risky. Game 1 had potential if Rogue didn't decide 2 base zerg for 8 minutes was good. | ||
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FrkFrJss
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I'm actually pretty sure Scarlett didn't cheese Neeb in the Montreal playoffs. | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:44 Ej_ wrote: No way, this is a free title for TY now. LET'S GO TAE YANG Yeah time to let the SUN shine! | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On August 29 2018 19:44 Ej_ wrote: No way, this is a free title for TY now. LET'S GO TAE YANG I mean, TY is probably going to win, but how can your heart not be for Leenock?! He beat prime Mvp in a bo5 only to get upset by Jjakji in the next round back in the day. Talk about a tragedy. He can't let the title get away like that | ||
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CakeSauc3
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On August 29 2018 19:44 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: yes, and that is exactly the reason Neeb got into TOP4 GSL. Because 1 player played incredibly bad for some unknown reason. facepalm I mean, that's literally what happened. But that's competition for you - players can't put on their A game every day. | ||
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D-light
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On August 29 2018 19:45 Waxangel wrote: Liquipedia needs to promote Hangzhou Starcraft Carnival to premier No it doesn't. | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I mean, TY is probably going to win, but how can your heart not be for Leenock?! He beat prime Mvp in a bo5 only to get upset by Jjakji in the next round. Talk about a tragedy. He can't let the title get away like that If you want to talk about tragedy I think TY has plenty to spare | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:44 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: yes, and that is exactly the reason Neeb got into TOP4 GSL. Because 1 player played incredibly bad for some unknown reason. facepalm seems like you're missing the point - pointing out that Rogue played poorly today does not equate implying anything about Neeb | ||
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Parrek
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On August 29 2018 19:46 Anc13nt wrote: I don't know if the level of play has worsened but it looks like the Koreans are doing a lot worse against the foreigners compared to last year and perhaps even compared to 2016. Yeah. And I've watched since 2013 and foreigners have never looked better. Not only vs Korea, but in foreigner vs foreigner matches (which usually were a shitfest when foreigners were really bad.) That's why I don't believe the "level of play has dropped, foreigners are as bad as ever" narrative; it's easy to tell the difference in actual play, composure on stage, and preparation for matches. | ||
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Durnuu
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On August 29 2018 19:47 swarminfestor wrote: So now Rogue is new kong of ro8 GSL ? Rogue is the most inconsistent player I ever seen. Rogue is like Life, high peaks and low lows. Hopefully he doesn't have that other Life specialty | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On August 29 2018 19:47 sneakyfox wrote: If you want to talk about tragedy I think TY has plenty to spare Didn't he win back to back 100k tournaments? I'm sure he's okay. | ||
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Die4Ever
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On August 29 2018 19:46 Anc13nt wrote: I don't know if the level of play has worsened but it looks like the Koreans are doing a lot worse against the foreigners compared to last year and perhaps even compared to 2016. yea Korea is getting worse, no team houses, no new players, no tournaments except GSL, no team leagues and current players will soon have to do military service, I wonder how much longer until GSL shuts down, and what will Tastosis do? | ||
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FrkFrJss
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On August 29 2018 19:46 CakeSauc3 wrote: I mean, that's literally what happened. But that's competition for you - players can't put on their A game every day. I think Rogue might have been put off tempo from game number 1. It looked like he was trying to play around Neeb's style since the first game. Instead of going for Neeb's weakness, Rogue didn't do any damage early game and tried to go for the midgame. | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:45 Parrek wrote: Nah. Muta isn't really cheesy. Just risky. Game 1 had potential if Rogue didn't decide 2 base zerg for 8 minutes was good. 2 base lair is cheesy (and IMO not actually that bad but he got super BO countered). Overlord speed is not cheesy but extremely uncommon and he also got a shitty BO matchup. The last game I would say was a BO win but he not only lost but got crushed, and his followup is EXTREMELY uncommon. Rogue played extremely weird basically every single game so there's no way you could call this a standard series. Anyway, I think people are being too hard on Rogue and people never discuss the most basic thing in sc2 which is that Rogue got a crap end of the build orders in 2 of the games he lost so ofc he didn't look too good. | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:48 dankobanana wrote: I was really surprised that so many people were betting on rogue stomping. they are 7:7 in offline games and Neebs playstyle is great against someone like rogue. yes, rogue did not play well, but its because Neeb really disrupted his playstyle I thought Rogue would win 3-2. Obviously Neeb is a good player, I think a lot of us just expected Rogue to play better. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On August 28 2018 04:07 AzAlexZ wrote: Still think Neeb can beat him there. Ether way, Neeb 3-1 Rogue Leenock 1-3 TY Neeb has not lost PvZ's lately at all (he did lose 0-3 to Scarlett in MC S3 but then sweeped her 4-0 in WCS NA Challenger, so 4-3 which is still a win overall in my book), so I think he got this against Rogue. Ha, I my predictions on Neeb vs Rogue were spot on | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Didn't he win back to back 100k tournaments? I'm sure he's okay. No, one was 200k Either way, it's about the glory. And as far as heartbreaking loses go, you can take your pick. | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:47 Ej_ wrote: Cuz Leenock sucks and TY is a terran* god. | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:48 Durnuu wrote: You mean this? + Show Spoiler +Rogue is like Life, high peaks and low lows. Hopefully he doesn't have that other Life specialty ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/m0mdc7I.jpg) | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:49 blooblooblahblah wrote: 2 base lair is cheesy (and IMO not actually that bad but he got super BO countered). Overlord speed is not cheesy but extremely uncommon and he also got a shitty BO matchup. The last game I would say was a BO win but he not only lost but got crushed, and his followup is EXTREMELY uncommon. Rogue played extremely weird basically every single game so there's no way you could call this a standard series. Anyway, I think people are being too hard on Rogue and people never discuss the most basic thing in sc2 which is that Rogue got a crap end of the build orders in 2 of the games he lost so ofc he didn't look too good. No luck in stracraft, build orders don't exist. BoN results are detrimental to a player's career. | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:49 The_Templar wrote: I thought Rogue would win 3-2. Obviously Neeb is a good player, I think a lot of us just expected Rogue to play better. that seems more realistic, yes. I think rogue tried to pull a Dark and mentally destroy neeb in game 1 with some weird bullshit that got countered and suffered a mental setback himself | ||
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He didnt show anything from his usual ZvP, he just sat there waiting to die... I just dont get it :/ | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I mean, TY is probably going to win, but how can your heart not be for Leenock?! He beat prime Mvp in a bo5 only to get upset by Jjakji in the next round back in the day. Talk about a tragedy. He can't let the title get away like that prime Mvp was in 2011-2012, pretty sure TY didn't face him back then. OT: Rogue lost to a phoenix opening, nothing else was going on and he was already considerably down in supply, if that doesn't show how bad the level shown was, I dunno what else does. | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:52 IshinShishi wrote: prime Mvp was in 2011-2012, pretty sure TY didn't face him back then. OT: Rogue lost to a phoenix opening, nothing else was going on and he was already considerably down in supply, if that doesn't show how bad the level shown was, I dunno what else does. .... Are you high? They are talking about Leenock vs Mvp | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:50 Shellshock wrote: Neeb vs Serral is going to be the Blizzcon final ha ha please make this happen | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:53 AzAlexZ wrote: .... Are you high? They are talking about Leenock vs Mvp Oh yea, my mistake. Ain't high, but didnt sleep yet waiting for the ro8 | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:55 AzAlexZ wrote: If Leenock beats TY today, and Gumiho/Stats/Zest gets into the finals, Neeb could win GSL once you're in the ro4 everything can happen. Even if TY wins and Maru is in the finals I won't count Neeb 100% out. | ||
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DieuCure
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On August 29 2018 19:55 AzAlexZ wrote: If Leenock beats TY today, and Gumiho/Stats/Zest gets into the finals, Neeb could win GSL No way rofl, Kr top terrans arent Kr top zergs, they are consistent. | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:56 Clicker wrote: NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBBBBB!!! Yes!!! I needed a new foreigner to follow, Neeb is mah dude now Where were you in 2016 and 2017 lol. Welcome to the hype train though | ||
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Shellshock
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On August 29 2018 19:56 [PkF] Wire wrote: once you're in the ro4 everything can happen. Even if TY wins and Maru is in the finals I won't count Neeb 100% out. yeah but i would probably count him like 99% out | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:56 [PkF] Wire wrote: once you're in the ro4 everything can happen. Even if TY wins and Maru is in the finals I won't count Neeb 100% out. Oh boy, it's spreading. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On August 29 2018 19:52 IshinShishi wrote: prime Mvp was in 2011-2012, pretty sure TY didn't face him back then. OT: Rogue lost to a phoenix opening, nothing else was going on and he was already considerably down in supply, if that doesn't show how bad the level shown was, I dunno what else does. That's such a reductive way to look at that game. Rogue was clearly doing a hive rush (almost like his ZvT build that he did on on dreamcatcher in GSL vs the world), so ofc he would have no supply and be super weak to attacks. That says nothing about Rogue's level. Whether Rogue's build is actually good is an entirely different discussion, it's clearly risky and flimsy but perhaps it has some merit that we don't know about. | ||
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On August 29 2018 19:55 AzAlexZ wrote: If Leenock beats TY today, and Gumiho/Stats/Zest gets into the finals, Neeb could win GSL I don't think Neeb can beat Gumi at all. Gumi seems to only gets credit for his TvT but he's quite good in TvP as well. | ||
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Parrek
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On August 29 2018 19:49 DieuCure wrote: So he must give up his spot for the WCS Montreal, and take the risk of being poorly seeded for blizzcon He might be able to play his semi first. That would happen a couple of days earlier so he could go play Montreal | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:56 DieuCure wrote: No way rofl, Kr top terrans arent Kr top zergs, they are consistent. I don't think Neeb beats GuMiho, but Stats/Zest he could beat. Wouldn't favor him against either, but it's PvP and Neeb is good at it. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On August 29 2018 19:58 Olli wrote: I don't think Neeb beats GuMiho, but Stats/Zest he could beat. Wouldn't favor him against either, but it's PvP and Neeb is good at it. Neeb's PvP is his worst matchup by a lot | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:47 starcraft355113 wrote: seems like you're missing the point - pointing out that Rogue played poorly today does not equate implying anything about Neeb pretty sure you are the one missing the point here. A player does not get into top4 of GSL because 1 player played poorly on one given day lol. THat's exactly what i meant with my initial post, that all foreign haters will remember is not the incredible run by Neeb, but Rogue's "unfit" performance. Way to go! | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On August 29 2018 19:59 blooblooblahblah wrote: Neeb's PvP is his worst matchup by a lot yeah he was eliminated this year in WCS exclusively to PvP against Mana and Showtime | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24202 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:59 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: pretty sure you are the one missing the point here. A player does not get into top4 of GSL because 1 player played poorly on one given day lol. THat's exactly what i meant with my initial post, that all foreign haters will remember is not the incredible run by Neeb, but Rogue's "unfit" performance. Way to go! well the incredible run so far was Losira aLive Impact and Reynor. That's a feat but I wouldn't call that incredible. | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:59 blooblooblahblah wrote: Neeb's PvP is his worst matchup by a lot I'd much rather have him play a Korean Protoss than a top KR Terran | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:57 Parrek wrote: He might be able to play his semi first. That would happen a couple of days earlier so he could go play Montreal Ah yes indeed, i'm brainless. | ||
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starcraft355113
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On August 29 2018 19:56 DieuCure wrote: No way rofl, Kr top terrans arent Kr top zergs, they are consistent. INnoVation begs to differ | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:00 Olli wrote: I'd much rather have him play a Korean Protoss than a top KR Terran Sure, but based on the group selections and interviews, I don't think Neeb would agree. | ||
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INnoVation's consistently shit. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:52 MarianoSC2 wrote: What the hell was this from Rogue? Where was his signature early game ling harass? Where was the b-ling play? Nydus? Ovie bling bombs? Swarm host harass? He didnt show anything from his usual ZvP, he just sat there waiting to die... I just dont get it :/ Yeah, his play looked really weird. I don't know what was going on there. He's inconsistent, of course, but I can't remember the last time he looked that bad in the GSL. He really looked lost. Not taking anything away from Neeb, though. He looked really good and he completely crushed Rogue. And part of Rogue looking so hopeless was Neeb's play, obviously. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
Because INno is a top terran nowadays ? | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24202 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:03 Anc13nt wrote: I have a feeling that this is TY's gsl. I'd say Gumiho's | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
GuMiho is hopeless versus TY, sadly. He will have trouble against Maru. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
It's actually Stats', I think. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:04 Ej_ wrote: GuMiho is hopeless versus TY, sadly. He will have trouble against Maru. And against Stats | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:02 Ej_ wrote: I remember their WoL match. It was that ridiculous roach/hydra game on Whirlwind where Leenock got whooped and then switched to BL/Inf and patchzerged his way into a win. That's one way of putting it. Another way is, Leenock played some of the greatest scrappy play ever and pulled off a sick tactical play to close the game. I still remember that BL bait with the burrowed infestors | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:04 Shellshock wrote: is TY the most overrated player between BW and SC2 EVER? I think that's still the 0 OSL winner Bisu. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
Just imagine if there were force fields in BW, though. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:04 Shellshock wrote: is TY the most overrated player between BW and SC2 EVER? No, he is the best terran of LoTV, always top 2 terran over the 3 years, almost always in ro4 of global tournaments, IEM Katowice winner etc. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:04 Ej_ wrote: GuMiho is hopeless versus TY, sadly. He will have trouble against Maru. TY's pulling ahead of him lately in TvT but historically they're nearly 50/50 no idea what Maru's TvT looks like either since he's barely played it this year | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:05 DieuCure wrote: No, he is the best terran of LoTV, always top 2 terran over the 3 years, almost always in ro4 of global tournaments, IEM Katowice winner etc. I think you got baited. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:05 DieuCure wrote: No, he is the best terran of LoTV, always top 2 terran over the 3 years, almost always in ro4 of global tournaments, IEM Katowice winner etc. 0 GSLs | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:05 The_Templar wrote: Just imagine if there were force fields in BW, though. yeah Force fields would fuck up Dragoon movement by 10 folds | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:00 [PkF] Wire wrote: well the incredible run so far was Losira aLive Impact and Reynor. That's a feat but I wouldn't call that incredible. Yes, I do see your point of Neeb being here for a sheer luck: easy bracket and conveniently out-of-shape opponents. And i respectfully disagree, because i don't support korean playerbase elitism. | ||
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Ej_
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On August 29 2018 20:06 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: TY's pulling ahead of him lately in TvT but historically they're nearly 50/50 no idea what Maru's TvT looks like either since he's barely played it this year Bruh. | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
Eh from brainless to braindead, sad. | ||
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The_Templar
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On August 29 2018 20:07 The_Templar wrote: ...Is that a proxy medivac? hellion drop | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:06 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Yes, I do see your point of Neeb being here for a sheer luck: easy bracket and conveniently out-of-shape opponents. And i respectfully disagree, because i don't support korean playerbase elitism. Honestly, this run is pretty average for many GSLs. Reynor is really good and the other players are common players to beat in the ro32 and ro16. Most people don't get super hard groups of death in their GSL runs. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24202 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:06 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Yes, I do see your point of Neeb being here for a sheer luck: easy bracket and conveniently out-of-shape opponents. And i respectfully disagree, because i don't support korean playerbase elitism. "not calling that incredible" =/= calling that sheer luck. Neeb is obviously a very good player. But I'd say I found Serral's recent GSL vs the world far more impressive. Even Naniwa's runs left a stronger impression on me. Time will tell how that run will rank among foreign performances on Korean soil, but so far I'm not out of my mind. Let's turn to TY now | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:08 Shellshock wrote: what hurts more? kidney stones or losing all your drones to a hellion drop? I'll go with "both". | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:07 Parrek wrote: I'm saying Neeb will get his fairytale story and take the Royal Road. He really just wanted to make people believe in Serral before bursting his way back to #1 and taking his crown back is it really a Royal Road though? To be fair it's not his first GSL because he participated in qualifiers last year | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:09 Parrek wrote: Honestly, this run is pretty average for many GSLs. Reynor is really good and the other players are common players to beat in the ro32 and ro16. Most people don't get super hard groups of death in their GSL runs. [cries in Dark] | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24202 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:09 AzAlexZ wrote: is it really a Royal Road though? To be fair it's not his first GSL because he participated in qualifiers last year I think it counts if it's your first Code S. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:09 Tsubbi wrote: korean zergs are bad atm havent we been saying this since the start of LotV? when does a moment become an extended period of time? | ||
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Ej_
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DieuCure
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:10 Shellshock wrote: havent we been saying this since the start of LotV? when does a moment become an extended period of time? Foreign Zergs have been saying it since the start of LotV, but until recently they always got slapped around when they actually played against koreans. | ||
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Australia3303 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:03 neutralrobot wrote: Yeah, his play looked really weird. I don't know what was going on there. He's inconsistent, of course, but I can't remember the last time he looked that bad in the GSL. He really looked lost. Not taking anything away from Neeb, though. He looked really good and he completely crushed Rogue. And part of Rogue looking so hopeless was Neeb's play, obviously. These comments don't really make sense to me. Rogue looked the opposite of lost to me, why does no one ever actually discuss the actual builds that happened in the game and how they matched up against each other. Rogue's undoing today was pretty simple, he played a very strategically interesting series with a lot of prepared builds and strategies. To me, this harkens back to how Rogue's original style which is very innovative but kind of risky and not as solid. He got bad build order matchups and basically none of his plans worked. Emphasis on the fact that his plans didn't work. Other zergs play more reactively, but Rogue had very specific plans for each game it seems. He lost obviously, but he didn't look lost, he was very decisive with his strategies but they didn't work. It's that simple. If you're playing a more strategic style of zerg and it doesn't pay off, it's always going to look like a beatdown, Rogue was never swimming in a huge economy in any of these games. You can criticise Rogue's overall choice to play in this way today, and ofc in retrospect, it clearly wasn't correct. But he came in with a very specific gameplan and it failed. You can't really criticise these games as if they were long macro games with a bunch of game changing decisions within the game, these games were largely shaped by decisions outside the game. Did anyone bash Solar when he went a weird mass overseer build vs mass phoenix against Zest. Sometimes you just choose the wrong approach and a bit of bad luck and you get crushed. Rogue is still good guys lol. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:13 DBooN wrote: Foreign Zergs have been saying it since the start of LotV, but until recently they always got slapped around when they actually played against koreans. [laughs in Artur] | ||
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swarminfestor
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:10 The_Templar wrote: I think it counts if it's your first Code S. Yeah. It's your first qualified Code S. Qualifiers don't count. | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:17 Parrek wrote: Yeah. It's your first qualified Code S. Qualifiers don't count. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17676 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:14 AzAlexZ wrote: this is fuking brutal, they should've played Stats vs Zest today so Leenock gets more time to rest/heal For sure, when was the schedule change announced? | ||
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Parrek
United States893 Posts
Yeah. It's your first qualified Code S. Qualifiers don't count | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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Elliot1
Sweden5 Posts
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
But he did get slapped around when he was gonna change the perception of foreigners. | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24202 Posts
Leenock looking rather off | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:20 DBooN wrote: But he did get slapped around when he was gonna change the perception of foreigners. Everybody forgets about poor Classic who died that day | ||
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France24202 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:22 [PkF] Wire wrote: TY looking rather crisp Leenock looking rather off I would too if I just got out of sugery today | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On August 29 2018 20:25 AzAlexZ wrote: I would too if I just got out of sugery today of course that's the sad thing | ||
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starcraft355113
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The_Templar
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AzAlexZ
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yeah, life is a bitch. Leenock finally has a good tourney and fuking surgery ruined it | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On August 29 2018 20:31 Shellshock wrote: TY is just 100x the player ..... | ||
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South Africa1848 Posts
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Ej_
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ez gsl for Tae Yang | ||
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medium_AI
Norway42 Posts
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[PkF] Wire
France24202 Posts
he's holding on amazingly enough but it still looks like a slow death animation | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:35 [PkF] Wire wrote: poor Leenock he's holding on amazingly enough but it still looks like a slow death animation It was hopeless, even if TY didn't just kill him with that 3 tank attack, Leenock never had good enough position on the map to drone or tech. | ||
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nojok
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Die4Ever
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:47 Anc13nt wrote: I think that TY is locked for Blizzcon. No one below top 8 could take his spot even if they won super tournament. Think there are still some crazy scenarios like Neeb winning GSL and taking a Korean spot | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On August 29 2018 20:52 Zaros wrote: Think there are still some crazy scenarios like Neeb winning GSL and taking a Korean spot Dark is at 4800 points. Trap is at 3300. To even tie Dark, Trap has to win the whole tournament and hope for Dark to not qualify. Even if it's very unlikely, I think that Neeb winning GSL + Gumiho doing well in GSL and ST + Dark doing poorly in ST is more likely than Dark not even qualifying for ST. | ||
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repomaniak
Poland324 Posts
GSL Tasteless muta risk GSL Neeb interview GSL TY interview GSL Artosis satanic music | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On August 29 2018 21:04 Clazziquai10 wrote: Is this the first foreigner GSL semis since Jinro? It is. | ||
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United States5523 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19239 Posts
/sigh, You disappointed me Ej_ | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Now I don't believe Rogue would intentionally throw, and I'm not accusing him of it. But that would have been a bad attempt at throwing. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On August 29 2018 19:48 Die4Ever wrote: yea Korea is getting worse, no team houses, no new players, no tournaments except GSL, no team leagues and current players will soon have to do military service, I wonder how much longer until GSL shuts down, and what will Tastosis do? No, this is the highest skilled era! All players are constantly improving as time goes by. | ||
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United States18282 Posts
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Elentos
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On August 29 2018 23:37 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Rogue falling in the quarterfinals for the sixth time isn't that surprising. Looking at the players he's faced though, you have to say, if he doesn't get past Neeb, what will it take him to get top 4? | ||
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raff100
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Right now it is clear that Serral is the best zerg in the world | ||
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Poland487 Posts
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France16890 Posts
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uummpaa
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On August 30 2018 00:24 Makro wrote: so neeb will win the gsl ? probably not, but on the other hand i thougt he is out of gsl since the r16 ceremony, so what do i know ^^ | ||
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United States884 Posts
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litLikeBic
Canada105 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
There you go On August 30 2018 01:10 ZackAttack wrote: I'm glad to see everyone agrees Rouge played bad. Artosis was giving him way too much credit. Neeb played great though, and with a lot of confidence. I loved the gold base in his last game. Artosis overhypes, but when someone says he's doing it he's offended like no one else. True celebrity | ||
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StabiloBoss20
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On August 30 2018 02:53 nomicrowin1 wrote: A GSL semi finals with no zergs? Christmas had come early!! wow... creating an account for this: the anti zerg bias is real! | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15961 Posts
On August 30 2018 03:07 deacon.frost wrote: Rooting for Rogue in RO8 is like rooting for the Titanic in the movie. Sure, not a bad cause, but you know the ship sinks no matter how big will be the iceberg. There you go Artosis overhypes, but when someone says he's doing it he's offended like no one else. True celebrity I don't have a problem with him overhyping as long as he doesn't say outrageously wrong things. Let the man spread his hype! | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 30 2018 05:04 Charoisaur wrote: I don't have a problem with him overhyping as long as he doesn't say outrageously wrong things. Let the man spread his hype! Uhm, we have to define the terms. For me: hype - hyping things so people watch it(e.g. this is the best ro32 we had - they can't say - it's shitty so much even foreigners can get inside now, not professionally) overhype - saying dumb things while trying to hype something - e.g. the game's not over, BuyN micro (tm) So I don't mind him hyping things, I actually expect them to do that, they're doing it all the time. I mind doing them the overhype thing. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On August 29 2018 23:39 Elentos wrote: Looking at the players he's faced though, you have to say, if he doesn't get past Neeb, what will it take him to get top 4? A new patch. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
As the owner of the Neeb and Rogue fan clubs, idk, not feeling it like I should be. It's great but it's great with an asterisk. I am a natural pessimist though so maybe this is just me | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On August 30 2018 10:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: As excited as I am for Neeb, the fact that Rogue didn't play well really disappoints me. I don't want to say Neeb got lucky or anything because obviously he's great and has to be to make it this far, but I feel like Rogue didn't give us the series we needed to make it truly amazing. Just one player not playing his game while the other one was, not sure what happened. As the owner of the Neeb and Rogue fan clubs, idk, not feeling it like I should be. It's great but it's great with an asterisk. I am a natural pessimist though so maybe this is just me It's not just you. This season feels really weird, and this day in particular felt like two walkovers that should have been good matches. If Maru is genuinely slumping also, it's only gonna get weirder. | ||
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Thanks in advance for your answers. | ||
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LordYama
United States370 Posts
Neeb played really well, he was tight and on his game the way you'd expect of a quarterfinalist in Code S GSL. Rogue's game just looked bad, not Code S level. He took major damage against totally routine pressures in the early game that set him way behind and determined the outcome of most of the games. Leenock didn't look great either but that level of play is about what I'd expect for him, he really overperformed in the earlier rounds to get there and returned to form in my opinion. | ||
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United States1519 Posts
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
On September 02 2018 15:06 fishjie wrote: i am thrilled that evil rogue who robbed soo of his best change at redemption (winning blizcon last year) got stomped by neeb. but no way neeb beats TY ...??????? but if he does he has totally overtaken serral. but after that, there is NO way neeb could possibly beat maru who is on fire. no way nope not gonna happen. it'll be as one sided as gumigod vs maru Although PvT is his weakest matchup, you just can't count out a player the caliber of Neeb. I will grant that TY and Maru are both certainly favored over him, but never say never. | ||
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