On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
"They just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them."
That's exactly what I said. What other aspect is there? Lategame Terran armies are notoriously difficult to control properly due to the extreme mechanical demand of managing Bio+multiple siege units+multiple spellcasters coherently. Foreign Terrans lack the raw mechanics to do this, hence they are inferior to their Korean counterparts. It's not like the concept is hard to grasp or something, random forumgoers can understand it easily enough.
By saying foreign Terrans are good but lack the mechanics, you're basically saying "they aren't worse, they're just worse."
This series is an example of what I'm talking about:
On April 08 2018 04:24 Boggyb wrote:
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...
My point exactly.
you said they dont know how to play the lategame which is pretty different from "cant click fast enough"
On April 08 2018 04:00 pvsnp wrote: Said it before, but the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Terrans is that the former know how to play lategame while the latter are mostly clueless
Aside from just not sucking in general, of course
but fortunately enough that post also says that they are worse at everything too, so youve covered yourself in that analysis! impenetrable argument tbh. "they are worse at everything and especially worse at this one thing"
You again? I'm starting to think you have something against me, with that tone.
If you want to be pedantic, perhaps I should have said "look clueless" instead of just "clueless." The point that foreign Terrans are worse than Koreans in the lategame is pretty clear though, and I'm not sure why you'd insist on making an issue out of it unless you actually do have something against me. Not sure why else you'd jump in just to be a smartass.
And are you saying this (what you put in quotes) is a false statement or something? "they are worse at everything and especially worse at this one thing" Because it's pretty accurate when comparing foreign Terrans to Koreans.....
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
"They just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them."
That's exactly what I said. What other aspect is there? Lategame Terran armies are notoriously difficult to control properly due to the extreme mechanical demand of managing Bio+multiple siege units+multiple spellcasters coherently. Foreign Terrans lack the raw mechanics to do this, hence they are inferior to their Korean counterparts. It's not like the concept is hard to grasp or something, random forumgoers can understand it easily enough.
By saying foreign Terrans are good but lack the mechanics, you're basically saying "they aren't worse, they're just worse."
This series is an example of what I'm talking about:
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...
My point exactly.
you said they dont know how to play the lategame which is pretty different from "cant click fast enough"
On April 08 2018 04:00 pvsnp wrote: Said it before, but the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Terrans is that the former know how to play lategame while the latter are mostly clueless
Aside from just not sucking in general, of course
but fortunately enough that post also says that they are worse at everything too, so youve covered yourself in that analysis! impenetrable argument tbh. "they are worse at everything and especially worse at this one thing"
You again? I'm starting to think you have something against me, with that tone.
If you want to be pedantic, perhaps I should have said "look clueless" instead of just "clueless." The point that foreign Terrans are worse than Koreans in the lategame is pretty clear though, and I'm not sure why you'd insist on making an issue out of it unless you actually do have something against me.
Not sure why else you'd jump in just to be a smartass.
Let's see Ej_ explain us how there is no difference between korean terran and foreigner terrans in general
On April 08 2018 05:01 Mun_Su wrote: arrogant play by Serral no?
Counter pushing after holding a timing attack or all in is pretty common. It would have been more arrogant for him to try to just continue on in a normal game as it would be him saying he thinks he's so much better that he can win playing normal regardless of taking early damage.
On April 08 2018 05:01 Mun_Su wrote: arrogant play by Serral no?
Wouldn't assume that considering he did compliment TLO in his ZvZ against him.
yeah but that counter...i was cringing the whole time like wowwwwwwwww that ramp so smalllll it was almost a phallic attack lol. at ANY cost, penetrate!
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
"They just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them."
That's exactly what I said. What other aspect is there? Lategame Terran armies are notoriously difficult to control properly due to the extreme mechanical demand of managing Bio+multiple siege units+multiple spellcasters coherently. Foreign Terrans lack the raw mechanics to do this, hence they are inferior to their Korean counterparts. It's not like the concept is hard to grasp or something, random forumgoers can understand it easily enough.
By saying foreign Terrans are good but lack the mechanics, you're basically saying "they aren't worse, they're just worse."
This series is an example of what I'm talking about:
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...
My point exactly.
you said they dont know how to play the lategame which is pretty different from "cant click fast enough"
On April 08 2018 04:00 pvsnp wrote: Said it before, but the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Terrans is that the former know how to play lategame while the latter are mostly clueless
Aside from just not sucking in general, of course
but fortunately enough that post also says that they are worse at everything too, so youve covered yourself in that analysis! impenetrable argument tbh. "they are worse at everything and especially worse at this one thing"
You again? I'm starting to think you have something against me, with that tone.
If you want to be pedantic, perhaps I should have said "look clueless" instead of just "clueless." The point that foreign Terrans are worse than Koreans in the lategame is pretty clear though, and I'm not sure why you'd insist on making an issue out of it unless you actually do have something against me.
Not sure why else you'd jump in just to be a smartass.
Let's see Ej_ explain us how there is no difference between korean terran and foreigner terrans in general
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
"They just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them."
That's exactly what I said. What other aspect is there? Lategame Terran armies are notoriously difficult to control properly due to the extreme mechanical demand of managing Bio+multiple siege units+multiple spellcasters coherently. Foreign Terrans lack the raw mechanics to do this, hence they are inferior to their Korean counterparts. It's not like the concept is hard to grasp or something, random forumgoers can understand it easily enough.
By saying foreign Terrans are good but lack the mechanics, you're basically saying "they aren't worse, they're just worse."
This series is an example of what I'm talking about:
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...
My point exactly.
you said they dont know how to play the lategame which is pretty different from "cant click fast enough"
On April 08 2018 04:00 pvsnp wrote: Said it before, but the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Terrans is that the former know how to play lategame while the latter are mostly clueless
Aside from just not sucking in general, of course
but fortunately enough that post also says that they are worse at everything too, so youve covered yourself in that analysis! impenetrable argument tbh. "they are worse at everything and especially worse at this one thing"
You again? I'm starting to think you have something against me, with that tone.
If you want to be pedantic, perhaps I should have said "look clueless" instead of just "clueless." The point that foreign Terrans are worse than Koreans in the lategame is pretty clear though, and I'm not sure why you'd insist on making an issue out of it unless you actually do have something against me.
Not sure why else you'd jump in just to be a smartass.
Let's see Ej_ explain us how there is no difference between korean terran and foreigner terrans in general
You got me good, I give up.
Your contribution to the discussion was greatly appreciated.
EPT
