Here's to hoping TurkeyDano has another amazing day!
Still I doubt Brazil has much of chance. And I doubt anyone can take down Serral. Today should be pretty predictable with Mexico and Finland wins. Germany certainly has a chance, but Serral is likely too strong right now.
Netherlands v Norway tomorrow is the only QF match truly in question, IMO. The rest are rather predictable. Here's to hoping the players show some great stuff and surprise me!
Said it before, but the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Terrans is that the former know how to play lategame while the latter are mostly clueless
@pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
"They just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them."
That's exactly what I said. What other aspect is there? Lategame Terran armies are notoriously difficult to control properly due to the extreme mechanical demand of managing Bio+multiple siege units+multiple spellcasters coherently. Foreign Terrans lack the raw mechanics to do this, hence they are inferior to their Korean counterparts. It's not like the concept is hard to grasp or something, random forumgoers can understand it easily enough.
By saying foreign Terrans are good but lack the mechanics, you're basically saying "they aren't worse, they're just worse."
This series is an example of what I'm talking about:
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...
And it is not just late game control that separates them. Maru's success in late game TvZ is largely a product of his ability to take and hold bases well beyond what Terran are traditionally supposed to be able to do. When was the last time you saw a non-Korean TvZ with the Terran player on 6 or 7 bases and not getting ripped apart by runbys?
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
"They just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them."
That's exactly what I said. What other aspect is there? Lategame Terran armies are notoriously difficult to control properly due to the extreme mechanical demand of managing Bio+multiple siege units+multiple spellcasters coherently. Foreign Terrans lack the raw mechanics to do this, hence they are inferior to their Korean counterparts. It's not like the concept is hard to grasp or something, random forumgoers can understand it easily enough.
By saying foreign Terrans are good but lack the mechanics, you're basically saying "they aren't worse, they're just worse."
This series is an example of what I'm talking about:
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...
My point exactly.
you said they dont know how to play the lategame which is pretty different from "cant click fast enough"
On April 08 2018 04:00 pvsnp wrote: Said it before, but the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Terrans is that the former know how to play lategame while the latter are mostly clueless
Aside from just not sucking in general, of course
but fortunately enough that post also says that they are worse at everything too, so youve covered yourself in that analysis! impenetrable argument tbh. "they are worse at everything and especially worse at this one thing"
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
"They just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them."
That's exactly what I said. What other aspect is there? Lategame Terran armies are notoriously difficult to control properly due to the extreme mechanical demand of managing Bio+multiple siege units+multiple spellcasters coherently. Foreign Terrans lack the raw mechanics to do this, hence they are inferior to their Korean counterparts. It's not like the concept is hard to grasp or something, random forumgoers can understand it easily enough.
By saying foreign Terrans are good but lack the mechanics, you're basically saying "they aren't worse, they're just worse."
This series is an example of what I'm talking about:
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...
My point exactly.
you said they dont know how to play the lategame which is pretty different from "cant click fast enough"
On April 08 2018 04:00 pvsnp wrote: Said it before, but the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Terrans is that the former know how to play lategame while the latter are mostly clueless
Aside from just not sucking in general, of course
but fortunately enough that post also says that they are worse at everything too, so youve covered yourself in that analysis! impenetrable argument tbh. "they are worse at everything and especially worse at this one thing"
You again? I'm starting to think you have something against me, with that tone.
If you want to be pedantic, perhaps I should have said "look clueless" instead of just "clueless." The point that foreign Terrans are worse than Koreans in the lategame is pretty clear though, and I'm not sure why you'd insist on making an issue out of it unless you actually do have something against me. Not sure why else you'd jump in just to be a smartass.
And are you saying this (what you put in quotes) is a false statement or something? "they are worse at everything and especially worse at this one thing" Because it's pretty accurate when comparing foreign Terrans to Koreans.....
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
"They just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them."
That's exactly what I said. What other aspect is there? Lategame Terran armies are notoriously difficult to control properly due to the extreme mechanical demand of managing Bio+multiple siege units+multiple spellcasters coherently. Foreign Terrans lack the raw mechanics to do this, hence they are inferior to their Korean counterparts. It's not like the concept is hard to grasp or something, random forumgoers can understand it easily enough.
By saying foreign Terrans are good but lack the mechanics, you're basically saying "they aren't worse, they're just worse."
This series is an example of what I'm talking about:
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...
My point exactly.
you said they dont know how to play the lategame which is pretty different from "cant click fast enough"
On April 08 2018 04:00 pvsnp wrote: Said it before, but the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Terrans is that the former know how to play lategame while the latter are mostly clueless
Aside from just not sucking in general, of course
but fortunately enough that post also says that they are worse at everything too, so youve covered yourself in that analysis! impenetrable argument tbh. "they are worse at everything and especially worse at this one thing"
You again? I'm starting to think you have something against me, with that tone.
If you want to be pedantic, perhaps I should have said "look clueless" instead of just "clueless." The point that foreign Terrans are worse than Koreans in the lategame is pretty clear though, and I'm not sure why you'd insist on making an issue out of it unless you actually do have something against me.
Not sure why else you'd jump in just to be a smartass.
Let's see Ej_ explain us how there is no difference between korean terran and foreigner terrans in general
On April 08 2018 05:01 Mun_Su wrote: arrogant play by Serral no?
Counter pushing after holding a timing attack or all in is pretty common. It would have been more arrogant for him to try to just continue on in a normal game as it would be him saying he thinks he's so much better that he can win playing normal regardless of taking early damage.
On April 08 2018 05:01 Mun_Su wrote: arrogant play by Serral no?
Wouldn't assume that considering he did compliment TLO in his ZvZ against him.
yeah but that counter...i was cringing the whole time like wowwwwwwwww that ramp so smalllll it was almost a phallic attack lol. at ANY cost, penetrate!
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
"They just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them."
That's exactly what I said. What other aspect is there? Lategame Terran armies are notoriously difficult to control properly due to the extreme mechanical demand of managing Bio+multiple siege units+multiple spellcasters coherently. Foreign Terrans lack the raw mechanics to do this, hence they are inferior to their Korean counterparts. It's not like the concept is hard to grasp or something, random forumgoers can understand it easily enough.
By saying foreign Terrans are good but lack the mechanics, you're basically saying "they aren't worse, they're just worse."
This series is an example of what I'm talking about:
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...
My point exactly.
you said they dont know how to play the lategame which is pretty different from "cant click fast enough"
On April 08 2018 04:00 pvsnp wrote: Said it before, but the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Terrans is that the former know how to play lategame while the latter are mostly clueless
Aside from just not sucking in general, of course
but fortunately enough that post also says that they are worse at everything too, so youve covered yourself in that analysis! impenetrable argument tbh. "they are worse at everything and especially worse at this one thing"
You again? I'm starting to think you have something against me, with that tone.
If you want to be pedantic, perhaps I should have said "look clueless" instead of just "clueless." The point that foreign Terrans are worse than Koreans in the lategame is pretty clear though, and I'm not sure why you'd insist on making an issue out of it unless you actually do have something against me.
Not sure why else you'd jump in just to be a smartass.
Let's see Ej_ explain us how there is no difference between korean terran and foreigner terrans in general
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
"They just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them."
That's exactly what I said. What other aspect is there? Lategame Terran armies are notoriously difficult to control properly due to the extreme mechanical demand of managing Bio+multiple siege units+multiple spellcasters coherently. Foreign Terrans lack the raw mechanics to do this, hence they are inferior to their Korean counterparts. It's not like the concept is hard to grasp or something, random forumgoers can understand it easily enough.
By saying foreign Terrans are good but lack the mechanics, you're basically saying "they aren't worse, they're just worse."
This series is an example of what I'm talking about:
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote: @pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...
My point exactly.
you said they dont know how to play the lategame which is pretty different from "cant click fast enough"
On April 08 2018 04:00 pvsnp wrote: Said it before, but the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Terrans is that the former know how to play lategame while the latter are mostly clueless
Aside from just not sucking in general, of course
but fortunately enough that post also says that they are worse at everything too, so youve covered yourself in that analysis! impenetrable argument tbh. "they are worse at everything and especially worse at this one thing"
You again? I'm starting to think you have something against me, with that tone.
If you want to be pedantic, perhaps I should have said "look clueless" instead of just "clueless." The point that foreign Terrans are worse than Koreans in the lategame is pretty clear though, and I'm not sure why you'd insist on making an issue out of it unless you actually do have something against me.
Not sure why else you'd jump in just to be a smartass.
Let's see Ej_ explain us how there is no difference between korean terran and foreigner terrans in general
You got me good, I give up.
Your contribution to the discussion was greatly appreciated.
On April 08 2018 05:33 Paljas wrote: not gonna lie, i thought TLO would be dead weight. lets see if serral can all kill now
You know, that´s the story of the player who everone knows is every now and then surprising everyone with a win over a far stronger opponent, but even though everyone knows, it´s somehow STILL surprising when it actually happens. :D
On April 08 2018 05:43 Charoisaur wrote: wow how is TLO suddenly being good? I was busy finalizing the goat list.
Let's not go overboard. He won 1 ZvZ on a trash map and 2 games against nobodies. Even if he gets the all kill, that's just one best of 3 against Serral.
I actually really enjoy these long games in the LOTV era. They're so few and far between now. Reminds me of early WoL when long games were relatively unknown territory (long before Broodlord Infestor obviously).
On April 08 2018 06:52 TheDougler wrote: Wow, Serral's actually done it. Good on him. I don't think Showtime can come back.
I mean, like he's got a far better army but he's got so few buildings and no map presence. Can someone win with this little map presence in the extreme late game!?
On April 08 2018 07:03 Lexender wrote: Ok I'm the only one seeing this?
Showtime lost, because he STORMED HIS OWN INTERCEPTORS.
If he doesnt storm he loses them all to infested terrans*. He lost because he lost his oracles, can’t keep observers alive in those fights but he shouldn’t have lost his oracles.
Also let’s be real, he should’ve won it way earlier.
On April 08 2018 07:16 Mun_Su wrote: Gogog Germany ! I'm sick of that overhyping of Serral
If Serral wins this he most definitely lives up to the hype
Besides, I want to see soO or Inno vs Serral
he is getting awesome aligulac stats by rekting foreigner but when it matter against Korean (IEM world, WESG) it was 0-3 aaand 0-3
So if casters could just calm down a little before acting like he was the best zerg ever (on OGTV french it's just as it was that lol) it will be for the better...
On April 08 2018 07:16 Mun_Su wrote: Gogog Germany ! I'm sick of that overhyping of Serral
If Serral wins this he most definitely lives up to the hype
Besides, I want to see soO or Inno vs Serral
he is getting awesome aligulac stats by rekting foreigner but when it matter against Korean (IEM world, WESG) it was 0-3 aaand 0-3
So if casters could just calm down a little before acting like he was the best zerg ever (on OGTV french it's just as it was that lol) it will be for the better...
I was referring to the hype as the best foreigner, which he definitely is
Comparing him to top Koreans is premature, just like it always is. Best foreigner and best player are very different
On April 08 2018 07:16 Mun_Su wrote: Gogog Germany ! I'm sick of that overhyping of Serral
If Serral wins this he most definitely lives up to the hype
Besides, I want to see soO or Inno vs Serral
he is getting awesome aligulac stats by rekting foreigner but when it matter against Korean (IEM world, WESG) it was 0-3 aaand 0-3
So if casters could just calm down a little before acting like he was the best zerg ever (on OGTV french it's just as it was that lol) it will be for the better...
I was referring to the hype as the best foreigner, which he definitely is
Comparing him to top Koreans is premature, just like it always is. Best foreigner and best player are very different
Nah they are acting like "omg poor Korea how will they manage to beat Serral"
On April 08 2018 07:23 Fyzar wrote: Serral should not have died to the chargelots wtf are you talking about. He knew there was no third and prepared his defense well.
Did you watch the game? Serral had no idea an attack was coming he had like 5 Hydras when Showtime attacked. If Showtime would have just run into the main instead of attacking into that choke he would've easily won.
If Serral keeps up form for all of 2018 then I think the argument about best foreigner of all time is pretty settled. The kid is absolutely insane. I don't think he played his best games today to be honest, the long game vs ShowTime he just didn't "Serral" the engagements like he often does, but it was still so sick.
On April 08 2018 07:26 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: If Serral keeps up form for all of 2018 then I think the argument about best foreigner of all time is pretty settled. The kid is absolutely insane. I don't think he played his best games today to be honest, the long game vs ShowTime he just didn't "Serral" the engagements like he often does, but it was still so sick.
If Serral keeps this up for all of 2018 he will have done the same thing as Neeb in 2017. And that wasn't enough to make him foreign GOAT, at least not in many people's eyes.
On April 08 2018 07:26 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: If Serral keeps up form for all of 2018 then I think the argument about best foreigner of all time is pretty settled. The kid is absolutely insane. I don't think he played his best games today to be honest, the long game vs ShowTime he just didn't "Serral" the engagements like he often does, but it was still so sick.
Even if Serral matches Neeb's 2017 by winning 3 of 4 WCS events, his resume is still pretty far behind Neeb's.
On April 08 2018 07:26 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: If Serral keeps up form for all of 2018 then I think the argument about best foreigner of all time is pretty settled. The kid is absolutely insane. I don't think he played his best games today to be honest, the long game vs ShowTime he just didn't "Serral" the engagements like he often does, but it was still so sick.
Even if Serral matches Neeb's 2017 by winning 3 of 4 WCS events, his resume is still pretty far behind Neeb's.
Neeb has the Kespa Cup on top of 2017, and that still wasn't enough for a lot of people. Serral has great form but GOAT–even foreign GOAT–is a really high bar.
I can't believe what I saw... Serral is an absolute monster. How the heck did he win game 6? There was just no way :D Yes there was a lot of luck with the observer sniped but still, Serral seems to draw the luck to his side with his insane plays. A lot of his wins seem lucky but if it's repeated again and again then it's clearly pure class as well.
And the last game. Yes, Showtime screwed up by attacking into a choke but I never saw a Zerg hold this when unscouted. That was a build order win for Showtime, clear, easy, undeniable, and he still lost? :D wow, thanks for these 2 games NW, I think I am having a heart attack
On April 08 2018 07:26 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: If Serral keeps up form for all of 2018 then I think the argument about best foreigner of all time is pretty settled. The kid is absolutely insane. I don't think he played his best games today to be honest, the long game vs ShowTime he just didn't "Serral" the engagements like he often does, but it was still so sick.
Well, you're right in terms of skill, but unless he starts winning multiple tournaments in a row he'll fall short of Stephano. To be considered the GOAT, you gotta win championships against Koreans.
On April 08 2018 07:26 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: If Serral keeps up form for all of 2018 then I think the argument about best foreigner of all time is pretty settled. The kid is absolutely insane. I don't think he played his best games today to be honest, the long game vs ShowTime he just didn't "Serral" the engagements like he often does, but it was still so sick.
Well, you're right in terms of skill, but unless he starts winning multiple tournaments in a row he'll fall short of Stephano. To be considered the GOAT, you gotta win championships against Koreans.
Neeb still a favorite for GOAT. He was super close of beating Seral last WCS, I would not be surprise if he won at least one this year.
I think it's almost impossible to compare Stephano to Neeb or Serral because they competed in a vastly different tournament scene. Stephano had way more opportunities to face koreans while Neeb and Serral only have that chance a few times per year and always just vs the top top koreans. On the other hand Neeb and Serral have a way easier time winning championships due to region-lock.
On April 08 2018 07:26 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: If Serral keeps up form for all of 2018 then I think the argument about best foreigner of all time is pretty settled. The kid is absolutely insane. I don't think he played his best games today to be honest, the long game vs ShowTime he just didn't "Serral" the engagements like he often does, but it was still so sick.
Well, you're right in terms of skill, but unless he starts winning multiple tournaments in a row he'll fall short of Stephano. To be considered the GOAT, you gotta win championships against Koreans.
Neeb still a favorite for GOAT. He was super close of beating Seral last WCS, I would not be surprise if he won at least one this year.
Neeb is still better overall than Serral of course... It's just lately ZvP is a bit Zerg favored and Neeb is not in his best Form. But Serral has a long road ahead to match Neebs achievements, although he is definitely on a right track
NationWars reminds me of how much I miss proleague. I get why NationWars has to use the all-kill format, but it is far inferior to having players prepare sniper builds against a specific opponent on a specific map. (basically why team leagues are interesting in a 1v1 game)
On April 08 2018 07:43 Boggyb wrote: NationWars reminds me of how much I miss proleague. I get why NationWars has to use the all-kill format, but it is far inferior to having players prepare sniper builds against a specific opponent on a specific map. (basically why team leagues are interesting in a 1v1 game)
On April 08 2018 07:26 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: If Serral keeps up form for all of 2018 then I think the argument about best foreigner of all time is pretty settled. The kid is absolutely insane. I don't think he played his best games today to be honest, the long game vs ShowTime he just didn't "Serral" the engagements like he often does, but it was still so sick.
Well, you're right in terms of skill, but unless he starts winning multiple tournaments in a row he'll fall short of Stephano. To be considered the GOAT, you gotta win championships against Koreans.
Neeb still a favorite for GOAT. He was super close of beating Seral last WCS, I would not be surprise if he won at least one this year.
Neeb is still better overall than Serral of course... It's just lately ZvP is a bit Zerg favored and Neeb is not in his best Form. But Serral has a long road ahead to match Neebs achievements, although he is definitely on a right track
Tbh currently Serral is better than Neeb in my eyes, and the latest NW results from USA kinda confirmed that to me. Of course, people saying Serral is the foreigner GOAT are probably kidding. He won't be able to be that unless he keeps smashing people for at least one more year. Neeb on the other hand is pretty close to overtaking Stephano, at least if he doesn't fall behind Serral this year.
Just watched Serral's hold in game 7 (was afk during that crucial moment before). My goodness. Yeah that's a hell of a hold. The hydras weren't even really there yet. It was basically just queens and drones vs zealots. Impressive stuff.
On April 08 2018 07:41 Charoisaur wrote: I think it's almost impossible to compare Stephano to Neeb or Serral because they competed in a vastly different tournament scene. Stephano had way more opportunities to face koreans while Neeb and Serral only have that chance a few times per year and always just vs the top top koreans. On the other hand Neeb and Serral have a way easier time winning championships due to region-lock.
What a blast to watch those games. Can't help but feel for Showtime. Tough losses. Serral played like a boss though, and well played by TLO. I personally felt like he should have been called in after that super long game. Loving Nation Wars this year!
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