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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
April 07 2018 18:45 GMT
#41
wow Ghosts suck
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15961 Posts
April 07 2018 18:45 GMT
#42
On April 08 2018 03:44 pvsnp wrote:
Kelazhur's control of Raven/Ghost is embarrassingly bad after watching Maru do it

just play like Maru
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-07 18:47:57
April 07 2018 18:46 GMT
#43
On April 08 2018 03:44 DBooN wrote:
Do ultras work against ghosts and ravens?


If Terran has the proper Ghost control, Ultras are basically useless which is why Korean Zergs don't make them very much anymore

On April 08 2018 03:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 03:44 pvsnp wrote:
Kelazhur's control of Raven/Ghost is embarrassingly bad after watching Maru do it

just play like Maru


Well Inno's Ghost control is nothing to scoff at either, even though he said he doesn't like Ravens too much
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
April 07 2018 18:47 GMT
#44
On April 08 2018 03:45 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 03:44 pvsnp wrote:
Kelazhur's control of Raven/Ghost is embarrassingly bad after watching Maru do it

just play like Maru


Cham would have beaten Maru EZ
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
April 07 2018 18:48 GMT
#45
Tarson holds.
why even
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
April 07 2018 18:49 GMT
#46
What a series.
why even
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 07 2018 18:49 GMT
#47
Damn, Cham is looking so good
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
April 07 2018 19:00 GMT
#48
Said it before, but the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Terrans is that the former know how to play lategame while the latter are mostly clueless

Aside from just not sucking in general, of course
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HoldenC23
Profile Joined February 2018
Canada64 Posts
April 07 2018 19:13 GMT
#49
@pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.
Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
April 07 2018 19:24 GMT
#50
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote:
@pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.

So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-07 19:28:54
April 07 2018 19:26 GMT
#51
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote:
@pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.


"They just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them."

That's exactly what I said. What other aspect is there? Lategame Terran armies are notoriously difficult to control properly due to the extreme mechanical demand of managing Bio+multiple siege units+multiple spellcasters coherently. Foreign Terrans lack the raw mechanics to do this, hence they are inferior to their Korean counterparts. It's not like the concept is hard to grasp or something, random forumgoers can understand it easily enough.

By saying foreign Terrans are good but lack the mechanics, you're basically saying "they aren't worse, they're just worse."

This series is an example of what I'm talking about:



On April 08 2018 04:24 Boggyb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote:
@pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.

So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...


My point exactly.
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-07 19:32:10
April 07 2018 19:31 GMT
#52
And it is not just late game control that separates them. Maru's success in late game TvZ is largely a product of his ability to take and hold bases well beyond what Terran are traditionally supposed to be able to do. When was the last time you saw a non-Korean TvZ with the Terran player on 6 or 7 bases and not getting ripped apart by runbys?
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
April 07 2018 19:36 GMT
#53
Good r magnet play by Serral.
why even
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
April 07 2018 19:45 GMT
#54
Pretty dominant game.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 07 2018 19:46 GMT
#55
Pretty good game, Heromarine did well. Tbh he is Germany's best hope against Serral, it's his weakest matchup.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
April 07 2018 19:46 GMT
#56
Yeah, wonder if any drones were killed by Heromarine in that one.
why even
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-07 19:52:23
April 07 2018 19:48 GMT
#57
On April 08 2018 04:26 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote:
@pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.


"They just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them."

That's exactly what I said. What other aspect is there? Lategame Terran armies are notoriously difficult to control properly due to the extreme mechanical demand of managing Bio+multiple siege units+multiple spellcasters coherently. Foreign Terrans lack the raw mechanics to do this, hence they are inferior to their Korean counterparts. It's not like the concept is hard to grasp or something, random forumgoers can understand it easily enough.

By saying foreign Terrans are good but lack the mechanics, you're basically saying "they aren't worse, they're just worse."

This series is an example of what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1gqlMWBTFc

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2018 04:24 Boggyb wrote:
On April 08 2018 04:13 HoldenC23 wrote:
@pvsnp Honestly I completely disagree with that assessment. Foreign Terrans are equally as good in late game as Korean Terrans, IMO. The big difference comes down to micro/multitasking There's no one at all in the foreign scene who can come close to Maru, Innovation, TY, etc. In every other aspect foreign Terrans are equal or better, but the just don't have the APM of the Koreans or the kiting of Maru and it kills them.

So they're just as good except in the thing which is essential to make it work...


My point exactly.

you said they dont know how to play the lategame which is pretty different from "cant click fast enough"
On April 08 2018 04:00 pvsnp wrote:
Said it before, but the biggest difference between Korean and foreign Terrans is that the former know how to play lategame while the latter are mostly clueless

Aside from just not sucking in general, of course

but fortunately enough that post also says that they are worse at everything too, so youve covered yourself in that analysis!
impenetrable argument tbh. "they are worse at everything and especially worse at this one thing"
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
April 07 2018 19:58 GMT
#58
Turns out killing the evo was all the damage that queenpush needed to do?!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
April 07 2018 19:59 GMT
#59
what the fak is this? TLO wins a game and then against mfing SERRAL. :OO
Gurbak
Profile Joined January 2017
France622 Posts
April 07 2018 20:00 GMT
#60
wow
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