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On September 07 2017 19:33 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:


Unfortunately any "cool guy" can magically transform into a mindless monster under alcohol. This is disgusting and well done by ASL and Afreeca for banning him.

On September 07 2017 19:53 reincremate wrote:
Did he actually straight up punch her? Or was it a fake punch? Either way, highly condemnable behaviour. Sad to see one of TL's (otherwise justifiably) most beloved progamers be such an asshole.

On September 07 2017 22:01 Djabanete wrote:
I still think that, although you can disagree with someone all you want, the ad hominem arguments in this thread (you're not a good enough BW fan, you care more about corporate $$ than BW, you're in the pay of Blizzard) are not making anyone look good. Does nobody know how to argue with the substance of a post and leave it at that?

On September 07 2017 19:36 Jae Zedong wrote:

Still 100% his responsibility. Do not drink if you cant handle it.

On September 07 2017 21:35 207aicila wrote:
merz man do you seriously have nothing better to do than come here and argue about a game that you don't even play or follow?

The Sea news is a disgrace...

On September 07 2017 18:33 merz wrote:


It is clear that you have a personal vendetta against me, seeing how you dig up posts 7 years old and that you go on "tilt" when I'm attempting a discussion.

I have nothing against the korean Brood War scene. I've grown up with the korean brood war scene and I followed it religiously for almost 8 years. What I'm trying to point out is that people are quick to make assumptions about Blizzards intentions and if they are morally correct or not, while people does not seem to think critically about i.e. KeSPAs actions of the past or ask relevant questions about ASL. I don't believe the sole reason of the so called death of the Brood War scene can be attributed to the way Blizzard acted. We may differ on that view and that's fine.

What I'm having trouble understanding is why you are so incredibly "tilted" by the way I argue. I'm simply trying to make case for that there's more to this story than we can possibly know before we call out Blizzard for being assholes, greedy, or purposely trying to kill the e-sport growth of their own game. Also adding to that, there are complex judgment calls that a company holding intellectual property has to make. It is not as easy as some people make it out to be as in "It'll be in both parties interest if they just let people use it freely". This can backlash in ways you didn't think was possible when you made the call and it can also pretty much render entire trademarks useless. There are certainly good reasons for being protective about ones intellectual property and you cannot simply just make it available for anyone, free to use, without having to face some pretty dire consquensens.

We can agree on that we both love the Brood War scene and we want it to grow. I want Brood War to be as big as possible and I want e-sport to flourish. I think there's a big danger in making that happen, if we are quick to jump to conclusions that Blizzard always is at fault. That's the point i'm trying to get across.

EDIT:

Also for someone who goes on tilt because they interpret that I'm trying to control peoples feelings, I find it amusing that you feel entitled to make wild assumptions on how willing or not willing I am to let go of Brood War in favour of something amazing. All I said was there was a definite chance of making SC2 and the E-sports of SC2 into what we wanted Brood War to be. Looking at it realistically I for one believe, at that point in time, the best shot at making that happen was through Starcraft II. Being realistic about the situation, considering sponsors, the opperunity to attract new players, tournaments etc. I don't see how that was a bad call to make.

EDIT#2:

Also again, just to be clear, I'm not MOCKING ANYONE. If that's how I come across then I'm sorry because it is definitely not my intention. I'm trying to view this in a broader perspective but I'm not trying to insult or mock or tell people how they should feel. Again I don't see where this "don't you dare try to mock people" or "don't you dare try to tell people how they should feel" is coming from.

On September 07 2017 23:56 Letmelose wrote:


I don't like it when people act in a nonchalant manner in the face of possibly condemning news for the Brood War scene. Especially if you are going to put a label on the reaction of outraged Brood War fans. If you're going to label my actions, I'll have no concerns over labeling what I believe you to be. We can have a healthy discussion on how to best solve this issue, but a little pause before appearing to be more concerned about the financial well-being of Blizzard over the Brood War scene may trigger me less. It's empathy 101.

You are someone who actively cheered for Blizzard as they made the move to shut down the competitive Brood War scene. Legalities aside, it felt really odd that someone should be so cheerful at this darkest of times for competitive Brood War. Your main point of focus is on the dire consequences of people being overly negative about Blizzard, or Blizzard relinquishing their control over their intellectual properties.

Do you know what the pretty dire consequences of Blizzard rendering their trademark useless was in Korea? Competitive Brood War. It may have been in the legal wrong, but you claim to have enjoyed its consequences just as much as any hardcore Brood War fan out there. What's more dire than seeing the death of something you followed religiously? I've already witnessed the quiet, reserved atmosphere by many on this site as everybody transitioned over to Starcraft 2 (I will always remember the community members and sites that went down kicking and screaming). Believe you me, there was nothing more gut wrenching than seeing something you cared for being stomped to the ground and left to rot away, while people like you were doing whatever mental gymnastics they could to convince other people that it was a necessary process for something far greater. That was something that was far worse than any dire consequences you can come up with.

You are somebody who has shown in the past, and in the present, that your stake in the future of Brood War is as fickle as is my love for the company that made it. If you want competitive Brood War to grow, you have a funny way of showing it. Perhaps you should stick to convincing people of the big dangers of inflammatory comments towards Blizzard would be, and how there would be dire consequences of competitive Brood War running rampant without paying their goddamned dues to the terribly misunderstood Blizzard. I don't care whether you love Brood War or not. I don't care how many years of Brood War you followed religiously. If you main incentive here is to belittle people by warning them of the dangers of being critical towards potentially harmful actions carried out by Blizzard, I will call you out for what I believe you to be.

On September 08 2017 00:44 Jae Zedong wrote:
Merz: if you are actually defending Blizzard's suppression of BW in 2010-2012 (which itself is not up for debate, even Blizzard acknowledges it), then how can you reconcile that stance with the fact that the CEO of Blizzard called it the "biggest mistake of his career"?

And before you ask: no, you can't have it both ways via mental gymnastics. Pick one if you have any dignity.

On September 08 2017 00:49 merz wrote:I'm defending that in 2010, out of a legal stand point, Blizzard had every right to protect their interest and file suit. I couldn't possible know the outcome of that in 2010.

On September 08 2017 00:49 merz wrote:I'm not taking the stance that it was morally acceptable

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